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HIGH BLOOD PRESSURE
tycho
#31 Posted : Wednesday, September 04, 2013 8:25:43 PM
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Acupressure and massage therapy, nutrition and herbs, game and dance therapy, and general fitness are some of the alternative and or complimentary ways with which one can take a proactive stance with less financial and psychological burden, and side effects of mainstream medicine.

Sometimes sociological factors can cause low endocrine activity, and dealing with them directly can lead to cure. But this needs a traditional way of looking at the world.
Amores
#32 Posted : Wednesday, September 04, 2013 8:41:00 PM
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I think people should stop giving advice or recommending stuff about a topic which they know nothing about
I am happy
Kusadikika
#33 Posted : Wednesday, September 04, 2013 8:54:14 PM
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Amores wrote:
I think people should stop giving advice or recommending stuff about a topic which they know nothing about


Doctors love to have patients like you @Amores. You have swallowed the myth that is Medical care hook, line and sinker. You live with your body your whole life and then you see a doctor for 15 minutes and he convinces you that he knows everything about your body and you know nothing about yourself.

Everybody who has a body knows something........ no knows a lot about his/her own body. The more you study yourself the better you know yourself. It is the most important study you will ever undertake, study yourself so that you are not deceived.
kaka2za
#34 Posted : Wednesday, September 04, 2013 9:48:57 PM
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Anyone seeking medical advice here will soon wish he hadn't.
Truth forever on the scaffold
Wrong forever on the throne
(James Russell Rowell)
Wendz
#35 Posted : Thursday, September 05, 2013 11:53:30 AM
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kaka2za wrote:
Anyone seeking medical advice here will soon wish he hadn't.


Laughing out loudly very true... all the highly qualified, not so qualified, not so ignorant and the very ignorant of the doctors live in wazua... you do not know what to take and what to leave.
Wendz
#36 Posted : Thursday, September 05, 2013 11:56:02 AM
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Kusadikika wrote:


High blood pressure is the biggest hoax in medicine.


This statement is not correct Bwana Kusadikika. These folks will be so dead before you even finish that word "hoax" if ignored!
Muriel
#37 Posted : Thursday, September 05, 2013 1:38:32 PM
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kaka2za wrote:
Anyone seeking medical advice here will soon wish he hadn't.


Why?

Surely you are not implying certain issues should not be talked about by the laymen, the 'ignorant'?

That is a hard standard to impose that even you will fall foul of sooner rather than later.

I think what you must be having in mind is a disclaimer such as

Quote:
.... the information should not be interpreted as medical or professional advice. All such information needs to be reviewed carefully with your own doctor before you act upon it in any way.....


tycho
#38 Posted : Thursday, September 05, 2013 2:26:21 PM
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Wendz wrote:
kaka2za wrote:
Anyone seeking medical advice here will soon wish he hadn't.


Laughing out loudly very true... all the highly qualified, not so qualified, not so ignorant and the very ignorant of the doctors live in wazua... you do not know what to take and what to leave.


I find it sad that one should find himself in such a position.

Perhaps an anecdote will explain it better. One day my father, showed me the results of a checkup he'd taken. I couldn't understand it. So he explained it slowly. Then finished by saying that he was glad that he had no HIV, but his blood pressure wasn't ok.

I went to my room to give it a thought and I reasoned like @Kusadikika. Months later I was given news of a stroke, and subsequent paralysis.

Then began the quest for authority. We ended up visiting some Professor who was also suffering from the same condition. The Prof. was writing some book. He also borrowed one from me. But to my poor father he gave Cozepam, or some 'am'. Something that left him shitting on himself.

So everyone that could heal was summoned, in a halting fashion as philosophy crumbled along the way. Lol. The Adventists, Legio Maria, African Divine, everyone. The taps opened when one day my father declared that the only he cared about was to be cured.

He'd rise early in the morning and call out to God to save him from his misery. Now he only wanted to die.

In all this I felt that something was amiss. Why is good health so elusive?

Now I see that our approach to healing, and consequently, disease is wanting. Healing is purely a matter of philosophy, and it's a decadent philosophy that has no cure for most, if not all disease.

Or a philosophy that leaves the human all the worse.

The Hippocratic oath is about goodness to Man, and is in essence, syncretism, and individual enlightenment. So as @Kusadikika is saying, everyone is to be his own doctor.
Muriel
#39 Posted : Thursday, September 05, 2013 4:05:07 PM
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tycho wrote:


To put your BP under control you need to:

1. Conduct your own investigation and research on this condition

2. Engage in a dialogue with a practitioner who has a syncretic approach to medicine and develop a plan of treatment and management that suits you

3. Integrite the plan of treatment into your worldview. Worldviews are etiological factors.

@Kusadikika, yes, blood pressure may rise due to position, activity and the like. But the story doesn't end there. Pressure has effects like 'confusion'. Heart failure is a confusion of the heart in relation to other organ 'states'.

It follows that a normal must be sought by doctors.


tycho wrote:


I find it sad that one should find himself in such a position.

Perhaps an anecdote will explain it better. One day my father, showed me the results of a checkup he'd taken. I couldn't understand it. So he explained it slowly. Then finished by saying that he was glad that he had no HIV, but his blood pressure wasn't ok.

I went to my room to give it a thought and I reasoned like @Kusadikika. Months later I was given news of a stroke, and subsequent paralysis.

Then began the quest for authority. We ended up visiting some Professor who was also suffering from the same condition. The Prof. was writing some book. He also borrowed one from me. But to my poor father he gave Cozepam, or some 'am'. Something that left him shitting on himself.

So everyone that could heal was summoned, in a halting fashion as philosophy crumbled along the way. Lol. The Adventists, Legio Maria, African Divine, everyone. The taps opened when one day my father declared that the only he cared about was to be cured.

He'd rise early in the morning and call out to God to save him from his misery. Now he only wanted to die.

In all this I felt that something was amiss. Why is good health so elusive?

Now I see that our approach to healing, and consequently, disease is wanting. Healing is purely a matter of philosophy, and it's a decadent philosophy that has no cure for most, if not all disease.

Or a philosophy that leaves the human all the worse.

The Hippocratic oath is about goodness to Man, and is in essence, syncretism, and individual enlightenment. So as @Kusadikika is saying, everyone is to be his own doctor.


Surely that is sad.

Did he:

1. Conduct his own investigation and research on this condition

2. Engage in a dialogue with a practitioner who has a syncretic approach to medicine and develop a plan of treatment and management that suits him

3. Integrite the plan of treatment into his worldview. Worldviews are etiological factors.

But the story doesn't end there. Pressure has effects like 'confusion'. Heart failure is a confusion of the heart in relation to other organ 'states'.

It follows that a normal must be sought by doctors.
jguru
#40 Posted : Thursday, September 05, 2013 4:11:52 PM
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Kusadikika wrote:
Amores wrote:
I think people should stop giving advice or recommending stuff about a topic which they know nothing about


Doctors love to have patients like you @Amores. You have swallowed the myth that is Medical care hook, line and sinker. You live with your body your whole life and then you see a doctor for 15 minutes and he convinces you that he knows everything about your body and you know nothing about yourself.

Everybody who has a body knows something........ no knows a lot about his/her own body. The more you study yourself the better you know yourself. It is the most important study you will ever undertake, study yourself so that you are not deceived.


Bro @Kusadikika, you are angry. Maybe from something that happened in a health institution or that a medical personnel did or did not do. Knowingly or otherwise.

Breath in. Breath out.

The advice you are giving @Wanjy (10 year diabetic on insulin, 3 year hypertensive on antihypertensives) is not suitable. And you know it.

Stop.
Set out to correct the world's wrongs and you will most certainly wind up adding to them.
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