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masukuma wrote:its ALL CULTURE!! everything else is just a facet of our culture. has anyone seen this? I've been watching this documentary for the last 45 minutes. It's clear to me now. Thanks @masukuma. Blaming it on racial difference is an excuse. The reason why we fail is due to environmental differences: economic and social factors. Obama got it when he said: We need new mindset, new attitude. The whole lot of our country men.I picked up something very impressive: Africans drive through life with brakes on. Waaa, this on blew my head, how true!!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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Muriel wrote:Rajolghani wrote:Excuse my long post (copy and paste)
THE GREAT RAPE OF AFRICA
Over the course of history, Africa has been the go-to place for slaves...
...Africa is the single most mineral rich land on the planet....
If there is a God, then the history of Africa is the story of God's most cruel joke on mankind...
The 'killing of God', the 'belief' in mutations, natural selection, belief in evolution has what has contributed to this situation that you now surprisingly attribute to God. Because, logically, if He does not exist then how can you say He is responsible. He will have to exist first then He can be responsible. For a time certain peoples, the black man and the aborigine were looked at sub-human, as beast. A view that came about from the belief that they are still evolving and have not yet reached person-hood, the human being. It therefore makes sense that you give, in post #14, a singular reason as 'genetics'. You and the author are part of the problem of what ails Africa. I would answer @Rajolghani differently. And that is: innovation is a result of necessity. So having stated out that, then I will point at his own statement, the topic of his post: " THE GREAT RAPE OF AFRICA". So, with necessity, the non-africans advanced, and with advancement, came more advantage. With this advancement, they could easily overpower Africa and "rape" it. If you rape somebody, you don't turn back and blame God for the action.
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Rank: Member Joined: 7/9/2011 Posts: 730 Location: Nairobi
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kysse wrote:kiterunner wrote:kysse wrote:List in your preferred order from below, beginning with the worst to the least. You may add to the list.
1.Tribes 2.Western influence 3.Corruption/Greed 4.Funded Militias 5.Attitude/Mentality 6.Religion 7.Governance 8.Jealousy and hatred among African countries. 9.Politics 10.Culture/Traditions
This is our biggest problem according to me. So what are the probable solutions Developing positive attitude-my way1. Get fed up with the status quo 2. Stop reading motive in any attempt to bring change-this leads to witch hunt which we have perfected so well. 3. Realise that there is always someone with a better formula or way of doing things. 4. Get rid of tribal shenanigans-helps one relate well with people from diff backgrounds. 5. Get rid of crowd/wave mentality. This is what makes scam/cults succeed-mass thinking/euphoria. 6.Raise a standard everywhere you go and don't settle for less than is expected. Honestly majority of people would rather be served stale juice than complain for fear causing offence.So how have you helped? The reason we are cowards is because we suffer from Inferiority complex-which is oftenly mistaken for humility in Africa. I totally agree with you. I will also add 1. Ensure our children grow up with confidence that there is nothing wrong with being black. Which cartoons do your kids watch? How many black characters are on them ? or asian? At what age did you learn that Africa is the cradle of mankind? Let us propagandize education to make kids that dont hate being black and beat themselves all the time 2. Education should enable kids to be enabled to be more creative and thinkers. That way hopefully they will grow without tribal goggles and choose leaders that are not tender-preneurs 3. Read, think and always better yourself. Please drop the goggles and stop playing victim of the west, religion, tyranny.........etc our goals are best achieved indirectly
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/17/2013 Posts: 4,693 Location: Earth
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kiterunner wrote:1. Ensure our children grow up with confidence that there is nothing wrong with being black. Which cartoons do your kids watch? How many black characters are on them ? or asian? the black characters end up getting beaten. They also crop up in cartoon featuring jungle.2. Education should enable kids to be enabled to be more creative and thinkers. That way hopefully they will grow without tribal goggles and choose leaders that are not tender-preneurs I wouldn't place so much hope there because like I said, a majority of Tribal African leaders making poor decisions are educated in the best places possible. 3. Read and think and always better yourself
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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kysse wrote:kiterunner wrote:1. Ensure our children grow up with confidence that there is nothing wrong with being black. Which cartoons do your kids watch? How many black characters are on them ? or asian? the black characters end up getting beaten. They also crop up in cartoon featuring jungle.2. Education should enable kids to be enabled to be more creative and thinkers. That way hopefully they will grow without tribal goggles and choose leaders that are not tender-preneurs I wouldn't place so much hope there because like I said, a majority of Tribal African leaders making poor decisions are educated in the best places possible. 3. Read and think and always better yourself True, these people always portray the black as the bad guy. And I always see this in the Hollywood movies, the black guy is always the one being humiliated!!! That's why @kiterunner is asking you, which movies your kid watches. Please be close to your children, and guide them. I pray to God to guide me to guide my children, amen. The tribal leaders are greedy. That's why. So the education didn't change them. And because of their greediness, they joint the eaters! So sad.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,821 Location: Nairobi
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AlphDoti wrote:kysse wrote:kiterunner wrote:1. Ensure our children grow up with confidence that there is nothing wrong with being black. Which cartoons do your kids watch? How many black characters are on them ? or asian? the black characters end up getting beaten. They also crop up in cartoon featuring jungle.2. Education should enable kids to be enabled to be more creative and thinkers. That way hopefully they will grow without tribal goggles and choose leaders that are not tender-preneurs I wouldn't place so much hope there because like I said, a majority of Tribal African leaders making poor decisions are educated in the best places possible. 3. Read and think and always better yourself True, these people always portray the black as the bad guy. And I always see this in the Hollywood movies, the black guy is always the one being humiliated!!! That's why @kiterunner is asking you, which movies your kid watches. Please be close to your children, and guide them. I pray to God to guide me to guide my children, amen. The tribal leaders are greedy. That's why. So the education didn't change them. And because of their greediness, they joint the eaters! So sad. that is why I am happy having my kid watching "doc macstuffins" All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/17/2013 Posts: 4,693 Location: Earth
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masukuma wrote:AlphDoti wrote:kysse wrote:kiterunner wrote:1. Ensure our children grow up with confidence that there is nothing wrong with being black. Which cartoons do your kids watch? How many black characters are on them ? or asian? the black characters end up getting beaten. They also crop up in cartoon featuring jungle.2. Education should enable kids to be enabled to be more creative and thinkers. That way hopefully they will grow without tribal goggles and choose leaders that are not tender-preneurs I wouldn't place so much hope there because like I said, a majority of Tribal African leaders making poor decisions are educated in the best places possible. 3. Read and think and always better yourself True, these people always portray the black as the bad guy. And I always see this in the Hollywood movies, the black guy is always the one being humiliated!!! That's why @kiterunner is asking you, which movies your kid watches. Please be close to your children, and guide them. I pray to God to guide me to guide my children, amen. The tribal leaders are greedy. That's why. So the education didn't change them. And because of their greediness, they joint the eaters! So sad. that is why I am happy having my kid watching "doc macstuffins" We should be able to create our own animations. The few black ones I have watched contain themes revolving around poverty,witchcraft,sicknesses; cholera,malaria,abuse-mashida tu =makes kids develop an inferior attitude towards the society. Raise up confident kids who believe they can be what they desire to be and change the world for better and you will see how they talk.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/17/2013 Posts: 4,693 Location: Earth
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masukuma wrote:AlphDoti wrote:kysse wrote:kiterunner wrote:1. Ensure our children grow up with confidence that there is nothing wrong with being black. Which cartoons do your kids watch? How many black characters are on them ? or asian? the black characters end up getting beaten. They also crop up in cartoon featuring jungle.2. Education should enable kids to be enabled to be more creative and thinkers. That way hopefully they will grow without tribal goggles and choose leaders that are not tender-preneurs I wouldn't place so much hope there because like I said, a majority of Tribal African leaders making poor decisions are educated in the best places possible. 3. Read and think and always better yourself True, these people always portray the black as the bad guy. And I always see this in the Hollywood movies, the black guy is always the one being humiliated!!! That's why @kiterunner is asking you, which movies your kid watches. Please be close to your children, and guide them. I pray to God to guide me to guide my children, amen. The tribal leaders are greedy. That's why. So the education didn't change them. And because of their greediness, they joint the eaters! So sad. that is why I am happy having my kid watching "doc macstuffins" We should be able to create our own animations. The few black ones I have watched contain themes revolving around poverty,witchcraft,sicknesses; cholera,malaria,abuse-mashida tu =makes kids develop an inferior attitude towards the society. Raise up confident kids who believe they can be what they desire to be and change the world for better and you will see how they talk.
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Rank: Member Joined: 7/9/2011 Posts: 730 Location: Nairobi
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@Kysse I have had the fortune of meeting a good number of very smart kenyans and some of whom are educated to the highest levels possible in the best places in the world and I totally agree that as many of them wear tribal goggles as the rest of us average kenyans. Actually if you met these Kenyans abroad, i think you would see they are worse at it. However, one would hope that a critical mass would be built overtime of informed kenyans I chose the things that kids watch as an easy example of how the black (African) image is denigrated right after birth in the eyes of kids. The barbie dolls your daughter has are probably blonde, her favorite cartoon is probably snow white, her favorite storybook....... I am not saying this is a bad thing (i actually love the big bad wolf ) but it would be nice to have a number of black heroes in there as well as a starting point to have adults that dont view 'blackness' as a disease. Another solution that you wont hear often is our cognitive ability. This is controversial but I think it is worth looking at. Some of the diseases that plague Africa impair cognitive development in children ie malaria, helminthic infections, anaemia, malnutrition..... These may not kill you as a kid but you will live with the effects for the rest of your life. Now extrapolate that to a population level over thousands of years. So improving nutrition and better health care will take us a long way our goals are best achieved indirectly
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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I like the way the discussion is so sober. I think some of major things ailing Africa are:- lack of conducive political environment. Can you imagine the power games where policies and projects you have put in place, being shoved aside by the new government who will start new things, which will be rubbished by the next gvt and so on and so forth - lack of justice. If you don't do justice, forgave having a patriotic country where people sacrifice for the better of the country
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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And gossip and opinion is thriving in Africa!! Just open the papers and you'll see it by yourself. Even on front pages, you'll find headline on gossip or opinion instead of important matters A good example is social media and sites like this one of ours. You see how long it takes for juicy topic hitting 1000 posts compared to serious one like this
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Rank: Elder Joined: 5/21/2013 Posts: 2,841 Location: Here
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Ahem. I always feel that our over-fixation with politics at the expense of other activities will be our undoing. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with politics (we all know there is but that's besides the point here), but is it really the only thing? or even the main thing? Take a cursory glance at most of our newspapers in the streets as well as online, quite often the kind of stories they give prominence to are always political. Look at our radio & tv stations, in a 45minute bulletin, they have no qualms allocating a whole 30minutes to pointless politics, often in a way that leaves me asking 'is this all there is in this our land of Kenya?' I still recall the day I read this story online. Though I admired the story of Omari and his dedication, the real tragedy for me was the fact that it had to take a foreigner from halfway across the world to get the story to me, all the time while our own media were literally asleep a mere 1hour away from where it all happened. Is there a worse indictment on their ineptitude and lopsided priorities than this? Life is like playing a violin solo in public and learning the instrument as one goes on.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/17/2013 Posts: 4,693 Location: Earth
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AlphDoti wrote:And gossip and opinion is thriving in Africa!! Just open the papers and you'll see it by yourself. Even on front pages, you'll find headline on gossip or opinion instead of important matters A good example is social media and sites like this one of ours. You see how long it takes for juicy topic hitting 1000 posts compared to serious one like this @Alpha,American tabloids are the worst when it comes to gossip.Their gossip is just well formulated while ours is classic raw, poorly researched market place gossip-A reflection of a very idle and below average minds. Compromised standards of recruitment in work places also have a bearing on the quality of service provided so don't expect much. @ kite.We are our own enemies. Just Compare the themes in african and western movies. While Western movies have heros after the act, African movies have sufferers. Western movies end in victory,but ours end in defeat and tears. Our movies will feature disease,or poverty while western movies feature battles.-don't have to be physical. It's as if we thrive in sorrow,darkness,dirt and pain.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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Rankaz13 wrote:Ahem. I always feel that our over-fixation with politics at the expense of other activities will be our undoing. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with politics (we all know there is but that's besides the point here), but is it really the only thing? or even the main thing? Take a cursory glance at most of our newspapers in the streets as well as online, quite often the kind of stories they give prominence to are always political. Look at our radio & tv stations, in a 45minute bulletin, they have no qualms allocating a whole 30minutes to pointless politics, often in a way that leaves me asking 'is this all there is in this our land of Kenya?' I still recall the day I read this story online. Though I admired the story of Omari and his dedication, the real tragedy for me was the fact that it had to take a foreigner from halfway across the world to get the story to me, all the time while our own media were literally asleep a mere 1hour away from where it all happened. Is there a worse indictment on their ineptitude and lopsided priorities than this? We have less than 10 journalists in Kenya, the rest are gossip hunters and political minions. Many scout this site to write the next article. Dont be shocked to read a summary of this thread on the local daily's soon. "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore .
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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symbols wrote:tycho wrote:symbols wrote:tycho wrote:symbols wrote:tycho wrote:kysse wrote:kiterunner wrote:Can we now offer solutions on this thread . Whenever I come across well travelled and highly educated people in positions of authority behaving talking and reasoning like jungle animals,I lose hope for Africa. We are a strangely unique people who read 'motive' in any attempt to progress. First step is to acknowledge that we are enemies of progress. When the 'white man' came, he found 'us' behaving like 'wild animals' and embarked on the process of civilizing the African. And now, a few years later, it's the African calling himself a savage, and bemoaning his being. It makes me wonder, isn't this the highest form of 'indoctrination', 'Babylon'? For, there's no way a person can speak thus of his self and not be lost. We are doing exactly what the 'white man' wanted us to do. Abandon our identity and embrace the 'enlightenment'. But what will happen when you awaken to the event that the enlightenment ideas have run out breath and are now dead? Where will you run to? Whose idea will you borrow? You Godless race? Idol worshipers. Vampires. What is enlightenment to you? There's only one true enlightenment, being in identity with the most high and unnamable being. To embrace the mind, the body, and the spirit. And be in such unity now, and forever more. I think that is also a foreign idea.My point being that ideas can't be defined as Western,Eastern or African.Africa has to be open to foreign ideas but like @masukuma pointed out,applied to our local conditions.If we've discovered we were doing something(s) in a way that wasn't fulfilling our goals shouldn't we accept it? Is it? What is the 'Ka' in 'Afrika'? I'm not talking about excluding other races, Among the Africans there was communalism, and kinship; what did 'assimilation' do? Families were torn apart, 'native' culture abandoned, and looked at with suspicion. Lol. Can we identify ideas among our tribes that are 'decadent'? Wife inheritance? Imagine the logic behind it. The tribe at its most considerate, neh? But now city life has torn everyone apart, each is on his own. Now we are having the technocity, how will we live in it? Will the 'African' cease to exist? Are we all going to die swimming across the 'oceans'? 'We are', means Identity. Identity, idea. How does one bring the benefits of being and identity to the starving African? Which 'one'? Are you a starving African?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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kysse wrote:tycho wrote: I'm not talking about excluding other races, Among the Africans there was communalism, and kinship; what did 'assimilation' do? Families were torn apart, 'native' culture abandoned, and looked at with suspicion.
Lol. Can we identify ideas among our tribes that are 'decadent'? Wife inheritance? Imagine the logic behind it. The tribe at its most considerate, neh?
FGM,Witchcraft,Nightrunning,Cannibalism,Mob Jungle justice...
But now city life has torn everyone apart, each is on his own. Now we are having the technocity, how will we live in it? Will the 'African' cease to exist? Are we all going to die swimming across the 'oceans'? 'We are', means Identity. Identity, idea.
The city hasn't torn us apart,we do it ourselves. We cannot afford to think communial because in the city,everything revolves around time and decisions must be arrived at fast and actioned. It's easy to think as 'we' in the village because people embrace the same culture where they are at. It's however impossible to reason like that in a cosmopolitan city.It's every man for himself and what works best for him. People don't hate progress,they just hate adapting new ways of doing things and learning 'how to' in order to make life easier. We would rather stick to the old even if it slows down efficiency /productivity than learn. @ Tycho,What best defines 'African'? cz if it's weird practices,systems and beliefs then they can die very fast as we swim across the 'oceans'. eg saw some people in kisii,2 weeks ago holding on to the belief, that making a girl jump over paraphanelia placed at the door step will protect her from conceiving a child before marriage. And just in case it happens? she gets married off to the oldest bachelor in the village! What would stop such girls from escaping to town to avoid becoming wives of 50/70 yr old bachelors? Another from ate a child in the name of culture. Such beliefs are outdated. It's easy to brush aside some of these traditional practices like 'FGM' and the like. And this is because we already have bias against African mythology and rationality. But, isn't the commercialization of sex a kind of FGM? How different is night running different from 'underground races'? Should all people sleep at night? What if you had the power to tame a hyena? Wouldn't you practice at night? There's so much weird stuff happening now. For example, every year, thousands of youth are killed in the war against crime. Yet this thread has been prompted by the experience of corrupt and unprogressive institutions. It's not about what describes the African best. It's about African essence. The land, the people, the mythology, the philosophy. You were right about time being short in the city. This brings out the city as a program. A program that runs the economic machine of the nation state. The city is a magnetic beast. It's the tax center. You don't want to live in the nethers, one would rather sell his soul in the city.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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AlphDoti wrote:masukuma wrote:its ALL CULTURE!! everything else is just a facet of our culture. has anyone seen this? I've been watching this documentary for the last 45 minutes. It's clear to me now. Thanks @masukuma. Blaming it on racial difference is an excuse. The reason why we fail is due to environmental differences: economic and social factors. Obama got it when he said: We need new mindset, new attitude. The whole lot of our country men.I picked up something very impressive: Africans drive through life with brakes on. Waaa, this on blew my head, how true!! Environmental, economic, and social differences, are power relations. And power is about identity. In late eighteenth century, the idea of 'European' superiority came into being. And now when we look at others as superior then we acknowledge inferiority. And the results will always leave us inferior.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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kysse wrote:masukuma wrote:AlphDoti wrote:kysse wrote:kiterunner wrote:1. Ensure our children grow up with confidence that there is nothing wrong with being black. Which cartoons do your kids watch? How many black characters are on them ? or asian? the black characters end up getting beaten. They also crop up in cartoon featuring jungle.2. Education should enable kids to be enabled to be more creative and thinkers. That way hopefully they will grow without tribal goggles and choose leaders that are not tender-preneurs I wouldn't place so much hope there because like I said, a majority of Tribal African leaders making poor decisions are educated in the best places possible. 3. Read and think and always better yourself True, these people always portray the black as the bad guy. And I always see this in the Hollywood movies, the black guy is always the one being humiliated!!! That's why @kiterunner is asking you, which movies your kid watches. Please be close to your children, and guide them. I pray to God to guide me to guide my children, amen. The tribal leaders are greedy. That's why. So the education didn't change them. And because of their greediness, they joint the eaters! So sad. that is why I am happy having my kid watching "doc macstuffins" We should be able to create our own animations. The few black ones I have watched contain themes revolving around poverty,witchcraft,sicknesses; cholera,malaria,abuse-mashida tu =makes kids develop an inferior attitude towards the society. Raise up confident kids who believe they can be what they desire to be and change the world for better and you will see how they talk. Our 'animations' would need our mythology, our beliefs. How is this possible if we don't understand our heritage? Think of 'Tinga Tinga tales'. Which 'worldview' does it develop? How would an African one look like? 'ION', there are 'rumours' that Aesop's fables are originally from Africa.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/9/2008 Posts: 5,389
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kysse wrote:List in your preferred order from below, beginning with the worst to the least. You may add to the list.
1.Tribes 2.Western influence 3.Corruption/Greed 4.Funded Militias 5.Attitude/Mentality 6.Religion 7.Governance 8.Jealousy and hatred among African countries. 9.Politics 10.Culture/Traditions
The problem is that we have been brainwashed to believe that Africa is a hell hole plagued by all manner of problems and that the rest of the world is a paradise. You just need to read abit of history (and current affairs) to realise that worse conditions have occurred elsewhere. Even in Europe the situation was much worse not so long ago. You can read about feudal europe, the black death, cholera in europe, irish famine, slums in europe, world wars (70m were killed in WW2 just 70yrs ago!), bosnia, Kosovo, syria, beirut, afghanistan, Korea, Niajin massacre carried out by the japanese on the chinese,israel/palestine, india/pakistan, annihilation of the indigenous peoples of the US, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, latin america etc etc.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,821 Location: Nairobi
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jaggernaut wrote:kysse wrote:List in your preferred order from below, beginning with the worst to the least. You may add to the list.
1.Tribes 2.Western influence 3.Corruption/Greed 4.Funded Militias 5.Attitude/Mentality 6.Religion 7.Governance 8.Jealousy and hatred among African countries. 9.Politics 10.Culture/Traditions
The problem is that we have been brainwashed to believe that Africa is a hell hole plagued by all manner of problems and that the rest of the world is a paradise. You just need to read abit of history (and current affairs) to realise that worse conditions have occurred elsewhere. Even in Europe the situation was much worse not so long ago. You can read about feudal europe, the black death, cholera in europe, irish famine, slums in europe, world wars (70m were killed in WW2 just 70yrs ago!), bosnia, Kosovo, syria, beirut, afghanistan, Korea, Niajin massacre carried out by the japanese on the chinese,israel/palestine, india/pakistan, annihilation of the indigenous peoples of the US, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, latin america etc etc. we are getting there! has anyone watched "men who built america?" All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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