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Kratos
#31 Posted : Wednesday, March 06, 2013 7:45:50 AM
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If a rejected vote is "rejected" because
a) A gubernatorial/Senate/county rep etc ballot was dropped in the presidential ballot box
b) The voter did not indicate his/her choice (unmarked)
c) The serial number of the ballot is not for that poll station

How exactly do you include these to determine percentage of votes cast?

I think for the first time in this forum i will be in full agreement with @ Alma on all issues that he has raised. For the election to be free and FAIR rules for engagement cannot be changed half way. There is no precedent in the world where such votes have been included to determine the eventual winner simply because those votes are not "representative" of any "intention" to vote for a particular candidate.

As we discus let us be civil, the old proven Wazua way of doing things >>>"LETA RINK" should be the standard and norm. People have started spreading propaganda and what they don't seem to realize is that it does not change how Kenyans already voted.
I am on record in Wazua among Uhuru's earliest supporters while others were still in the closet. If by any chance my candidate does not win in a Free, Fair and Democratic manner I am ready to embrace the other candidate as my president. Guys, Life goes on after this!!

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Kratos
#32 Posted : Wednesday, March 06, 2013 8:05:04 AM
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AlphDoti wrote:
alma wrote:
Every time I hear this argument I get confused by lawyers.

Sure the constitution says cast votes.
...
I find those trying to use this argument to be insincere to the core.

So I don't see any insincerity here. Rejected votes are included in total tally and no candidate gets any of those spoilt vote. This's as per the constitution.
It just makes you unhappy because candidates' % drop down increasing chance of a run-off!


I think we need someone to clarify if REJECTED=INVALID hence cannot be counted, because if you look at my example above you will realise it's not straightforward as it seems.

“People will believe a big lie sooner than a little one, and if you repeat it frequently enough, people will sooner or later believe it.” ― Walter C. Langer
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murchr
#33 Posted : Wednesday, March 06, 2013 8:14:22 AM
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Dont be shocked if someone goes to court fot interpretation
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Wendz
#34 Posted : Wednesday, March 06, 2013 8:55:48 AM
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What we are forgetting is that these rejected votes were all over the country.... some of those having those problems are the ones say, supporting RAO because of a possibility of a win or at least closing the gap. what you are forgetting is that there could be even a possibility that they actually favour the TNA to widen the gap further. Lets forget about the rejected votes. they are only there to give my good friend Mudavadi a run for his money!

My candidate conceded before i campaigned to have him cut a deal with the rejected votes!
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QD
#35 Posted : Wednesday, March 06, 2013 9:12:16 AM
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AlphDoti wrote:
alma wrote:
Every time I hear this argument I get confused by lawyers.

Sure the constitution says cast votes.
...
I find those trying to use this argument to be insincere to the core.

So I don't see any insincerity here. Rejected votes are included in total tally and no candidate gets any of those spoilt vote. This's as per the constitution.
It just makes you unhappy because candidates' % drop down increasing chance of a run-off!


Really people want their candidate to win , remember those whom votes are rejected also did their civil rights hence has to be part of calculating percentage.
The problem with the world is that the intelligent people are full of doubts while the stupid ones are full of confidence
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story teller
#36 Posted : Wednesday, March 06, 2013 9:13:20 AM
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Wendz wrote:
What we are forgetting is that these rejected votes were all over the country.... some of those having those problems are the ones say, supporting RAO because of a possibility of a win or at least closing the gap. what you are forgetting is that there could be even a possibility that they actually favour the TNA to widen the gap further. Lets forget about the rejected votes. they are only there to give my good friend Mudavadi a run for his money!

My candidate conceded before i campaigned to have him cut a deal with the rejected votes!


This according to the Irish times..
Rejected votes

It's not hard to make decisions when you know what your values are.
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Impunity
#37 Posted : Wednesday, March 06, 2013 9:26:01 AM
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Tokyo wrote:
Mudavadi defeated by rejects


Doe this mean MDVD is worse than a reject?
d'oh! d'oh!
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alma
#38 Posted : Wednesday, March 06, 2013 9:32:11 AM
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I've just been re-educated by two lawyers. Each coming with a different argument. So being a layman I beg to withdraw my statement and let the lawyers do their thing.
Jose: If I make it through this thug life, I'll see you one day. The Lord is the only way to stop the hurt.
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Impunity
#39 Posted : Wednesday, March 06, 2013 9:34:43 AM
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Wendz wrote:
What we are forgetting is that these rejected votes were all over the country.... some of those having those problems are the ones say, supporting RAO because of a possibility of a win or at least closing the gap. what you are forgetting is that there could be even a possibility that they actually favour the TNA to widen the gap further. Lets forget about the rejected votes. they are only there to give my good friend Mudavadi a run for his money!

My candidate conceded before i campaigned to have him cut a deal with the rejected votes!


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254.co.ke
#40 Posted : Wednesday, March 06, 2013 9:37:46 AM
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So when is a vote declared as rejected? I fail to see the sense why for example a 'stray' would-be Governors vote slotted in the Presidential ballot box be used as a basis for computing the percentages (50%+1 Vote)...I could be wrong
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