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Why I support Uhuru
simonkabz
#31 Posted : Thursday, December 27, 2012 2:44:39 PM
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Sure wrote:
Never used to give him a second thought as I considered him to be of royal or privileged pedigree and thus detached from the common woman or man.

However, things changed when Hague summoned him. In my mind, it confirmed that whatever measures he is alleged to have taken to stop the Kikuyu persecution was what a Kikuyu warrior should have done with pride, defending his people against aggression. From then henceforth,he became my man.

If he organized Mungiki or Kamatimu to hit back in Naivasha and Nakuru (That became the Hiroshima and Nagasaki of Kenya) then let it be and I will stand by him to the end.

In the meantime, I don't care about Mzungu interests in the country, they can go to Uganda or Togo. They have never benefited Africa since time immemorial. Check your records over Botswana if you doubt me. I know some small mind will quote Zimbambwe but we will be out of the woods eventually.

Check this..

Botswana’s success was the result of good post-colonial policy choices. Khama’s market-friendly polices led to high growth, and high
growth produced better policies that led to more growth. Thus, Khama’s policies were the exogenous shock that helped Botswana get on
a sustainable high-growth path.

This conclusion has far-reaching implications for the way we approach struggling nations in sub-Saharan Africa. If the wealth and poverty of most sub-Saharan African nations is largely the result of colonial and historical factors, then countries might be trapped by their past—even if they adopt good policies, their history and culture will not allow them to escape the poverty trap.

If, instead, the story of sub-Saharan Africa is one in which anti-market policy decisions were
made by Marxist leaders at the end of colonialism, then there is far more hope for struggling nations. One good leader, like Khama, is all it would take for an African nation to escape poverty. Policy choice—not historical determinism—is the real story of Botswana’s development in particular and sub-Saharan Africa’s stagnation which has over the years been aggravated by IMF policies on Africa in general.

Link



1. Are you confirming UK's involvement in the PEV?
2. Are you comparing Khama to UK?
3. Kindly refer to number 2 then tell us, are u out of your freaking mind?
TULIA.........UFUNZWE!
Tebes
#32 Posted : Thursday, December 27, 2012 2:50:16 PM
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Joined: 11/26/2008
Posts: 2,097
tycho wrote:
alma wrote:
tycho wrote:
josiah33 wrote:
You will be surprised to know that the kikuyu peasants too think Uhuru is the Warrior Prince who defended his own people when they were being persecuted. He endeared himself to them and it doesn't matter whether the ICC is aiming at his jugular. Ever wondered why it's so hard to shake off the notion that Rao has got everything to do with Uhuru's predicaments and the ICC case in some quarters?


@Sure, you have done well to present the warrior prince argument to wazua. It is long over due, given that it is the moral bedrock of Uhuru's resistance to the Hague.

But what is Ruto's justification then? And why is his justification compatible to Uhuru's?

Or is the Jubilee resistance out of moral order?


Tycho you are confusing the young man or girl. He will read what you've said and think that you are supporting him.

I too want to understand the Ruto justification. I can't wait.


So far @Sure has done nothing wrong. If anything he/she is helping us understand the figures we are coming up with in 'the game of numbers'.

We are aware that Uhuru and C. have significant support, why shouldn't we probe this support?

Sure has presented himself, let us treat him well.

@Sure is a Socket!
"Never regret, if its good, its wonderful. If its bad, its experience."
alma
#33 Posted : Thursday, December 27, 2012 2:54:26 PM
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Tebes wrote:

@Sure is a Socket!


And you wonder where fools come from
Jose: If I make it through this thug life, I'll see you one day. The Lord is the only way to stop the hurt.
Joshgat
#34 Posted : Thursday, December 27, 2012 3:05:05 PM
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Location: Nairobi
Ruto was apparently duped into running the 'repossesion' campaign for his people together with others and he was championing for 'their rights' then. When Uhuru eventually decided he must also 'fight for' his people and unfortunately, Ocampo came calling amidst all the chaos, Ruto was left on his own. He hoped to sell 'BETRAYAL' to his people when the ICC charges became a reality just like his comrade Uhuru was selling the idea that he was defending his people. Now that the ICC cases have brought the two together, Someone else is now the person who actually sort to drive a wedge between two communities that had lived alongside each other for long by deception for his own selfish ends. Ok, the resentments between the two communities were there all along, thanx to years of bad politics but 2007 was the mother of all bad politicking.
poundfoolish
#35 Posted : Thursday, December 27, 2012 3:10:38 PM
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Joined: 12/2/2009
Posts: 2,458
Location: Nairobi
Joshgat wrote:
Ruto was apparently duped into running the 'repossesion' campaign for his people together with others and he was championing for 'their rights' then. When Uhuru eventually decided he must also 'fight for' his people and unfortunately, Ocampo came calling amidst all the chaos, Ruto was left on his own. He hoped to sell 'BETRAYAL' to his people when the ICC charges became a reality just like his comrade Uhuru was selling the idea that he was defending his people. Now that the ICC cases have brought the two together, Someone else is now the person who actually sort to drive a wedge between two communities that had lived alongside each other for long by deception for his own selfish ends. Ok, the resentments between the two communities were there all along, thanx to years of bad politics but 2007 the mother of all bad politicking.


Lets not turn this thread into anyother argument..
I'm still baying for @Sure's 'blood'....sorry, brains.. if he/she/it has any.....

War for War????
Death of a friend.. Son, Daughter, Father, Mother, Sister... etc was necessary collateral damage????
God forbid
Obi 1 Kanobi
#36 Posted : Thursday, December 27, 2012 3:17:18 PM
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Joined: 7/23/2008
Posts: 3,017
Sure wrote:
Never used to give him a second thought as I considered him to be of royal or privileged pedigree and thus detached from the common woman or man.

However, things changed when Hague summoned him. In my mind, it confirmed that whatever measures he is alleged to have taken to stop the Kikuyu persecution was what a Kikuyu warrior should have done with pride, defending his people against aggression. From then henceforth,he became my man.

If he organized Mungiki or Kamatimu to hit back in Naivasha and Nakuru (That became the Hiroshima and Nagasaki of Kenya) then let it be and I will stand by him to the end.

In the meantime, I don't care about Mzungu interests in the country, they can go to Uganda or Togo. They have never benefited Africa since time immemorial. Check your records over Botswana if you doubt me. I know some small mind will quote Zimbambwe but we will be out of the woods eventually.

Check this..

Botswana’s success was the result of good post-colonial policy choices. Khama’s market-friendly polices led to high growth, and high
growth produced better policies that led to more growth. Thus, Khama’s policies were the exogenous shock that helped Botswana get on
a sustainable high-growth path.


This conclusion has far-reaching implications for the way we approach struggling nations in sub-Saharan Africa. If the wealth and poverty of most sub-Saharan African nations is largely the result of colonial and historical factors, then countries might be trapped by their past—even if they adopt good policies, their history and culture will not allow them to escape the poverty trap.

If, instead, the story of sub-Saharan Africa is one in which anti-market policy decisions were
made by Marxist leaders at the end of colonialism, then there is far more hope for struggling nations. One good leader, like Khama, is all it would take for an African nation to escape poverty. Policy choice—not historical determinism—is the real story of Botswana’s development in particular and sub-Saharan Africa’s stagnation which has over the years been aggravated by IMF policies on Africa in general.

Link


@sure.

I believe you just drowned in your own drivel here. You don't care about Mzungu interests then make reference to Khama who happens to be 50% odiero. Was bred, schooled and probably still holds a british passport.

As to the content of your post, i need not say more, the other posters have said enough.
"The purpose of bureaucracy is to compensate for incompetence and lack of discipline." James Collins
githundi
#37 Posted : Thursday, December 27, 2012 3:18:28 PM
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@ all, any thoughts that conditionaly or unconditionaly supports violence are unacceptabe, and for this admin should bring this thread down.
At the same time, it is unfortunate some Wazuans are 'overextending' the negative insinuations of @ sure. For example, he didn't say he supports Mungiki.
Let us say no to violence because i say 'democracy does not belong to the dead'.
Democracy does not belong to the dead
alma
#38 Posted : Thursday, December 27, 2012 3:18:45 PM
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Joined: 7/20/2007
Posts: 4,432
I agree with you poundfoolish.

Why the need to give any sort of decorum or reasoning to this thread? Unless of course it was all planned before hand. So the team shows up to try and correct an errant post.

This thread should be usered and used as an example of brainless logic.

We cannot use wazua as a referendum for lunatic tribalists with warped logic.

If they wish to spread this nonsence, I suggest they do it in their campaigns and not here. We shall call out such stupidity when we see it. This is not "gichagi". Some of us have read a book or two and understand that some suspects are trying to use the internet to spread false logic.

This is like that fellow Matsanga all over again.

admin user this thread.

lastly githundi or whatever please explain to us what the following means

If he organized Mungiki or Kamatimu to hit back in Naivasha and Nakuru (That became the Hiroshima and Nagasaki of Kenya) then let it be and I will stand by him to the end.

When it comes to war, shit happens and the one who stops the war by whatever means gets the credit. Simply because a friend lost a head in the revenge attacks does not mean he would not have lost it anyway if the crashes had not been stopped.


These TNA fellows are starting to sound like the haki yetu reli ngoaras every day.
Jose: If I make it through this thug life, I'll see you one day. The Lord is the only way to stop the hurt.
Tebes
#39 Posted : Thursday, December 27, 2012 3:26:45 PM
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Joined: 11/26/2008
Posts: 2,097
Some people make Jubilee Collusion loose more votes than gain any. NKT!
"Never regret, if its good, its wonderful. If its bad, its experience."
TAZ
#40 Posted : Thursday, December 27, 2012 3:45:29 PM
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Joined: 11/14/2007
Posts: 4,152
alma wrote:


josiah33 a peasant mind is a peasant mind.

You are right there are those within that community who think what he did was just super. That I can understand especially when you consider that all they listen to is Kameme

His Mind is worse than a peasant's which doesn't know better.

His is the one that buys the pangas and sells them to the peasant.


Shame on you Shame on you ABK!
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