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Real Estate Investment strategy- Advice Needed
Seles83
#31 Posted : Friday, August 31, 2012 2:44:03 AM
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@itz

I wish we had data showing vacancy rates in different suburbs and different rent range...i.e

1- 5k 1br Rental Houses in Mathare North--0.3%
15-22k 2br-Rental Houses in Donholm-- 1%

Without reliable data on rental business, we basically make decisions on hunches...

What makes me uneasy about the Kiambu and Migaa projects is prospects of getting a tenant and vacancy rates?



More monies, more problems...
Seles83
#32 Posted : Friday, August 31, 2012 2:50:03 AM
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Kausha wrote:
Why do I get the feeling people are just murking around here for to elicit debate and not in need of advice...mmhh..@sel....what do you think!!


@Kausha

I am always up for constructive and informative session about investments...there is so much that we can learn from each other, but ultimately we make our decisions...At this point i am leaning more towards strategy I though not the best, but works for my current situation..
Summary of things i now know or been updated:- shares with very good DPS, FXD and best of all is this summary from chiaroscuro smile Laughing out loudly

2] Rental house bought on mortgage make NO financial sense

3] Rental houses bought fully built for cash make LITTLE financial sense

4] Rental houses self-built with mortgage make MORE financial sense

5] Rental houses self-built with own cash make A LOT of financial sense
More monies, more problems...
Seles83
#33 Posted : Friday, August 31, 2012 6:35:44 AM
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http://www.suraya.co.ke/.../the-lynx-mbagathi-road

Another Project from Suraya..Mbagathi Road...


CASH PRICES

APARTMENTS AUGUST 2012

TYPE SQM ACTUAL SALE PRICE TOTAL UNITS

1 BEDROOM Lynx 3 27 KSHS 3,200,000/=
60
2 BEDROOM
Lynx 4 38 KSHS 4,150,000/= 42
2 BEDROOM ENSUITE Lynx 5 42 KSHS 4,550,000/= 54


MORTGAGE BUYERS

10% DEPOSIT TO SURAYA SALES LTD.

90% MORTGAGE (APPROVED)
TYPE SQM ACTUAL SALE PRICE TOTAL UNITS

1 BEDROOM
Lynx 3 27 KSHS 3,600,000/= 60
2 BEDROOM
Lynx 4 38 KSHS 4,650,000/= 42
2 BEDROOM ENSUITE Lynx 5 42 KSHS 5,100,000/= 54
More monies, more problems...
Vj
#34 Posted : Friday, August 31, 2012 1:16:27 PM
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Location: nairobi, kenya
My advice was based on the assumption that you were in a comfortable position to pay the balance of your monthly payment, but if you have doubts about over exposing yourself then don't go for the mortgage option, its better to be safe then sorry. I always plan for worst case scenario and if it doesn't look realistically manageable then let it go.

If you are not in a hurry than I would suggest buying a plot on the peripheries of Nairobi, look at the new bypasses and highway projects to guide you. As much as you'll have a dead investment in the short run, I forsee considerable appreciation and you can save up for the construction till you are ready to move back.

The other thing I forgot to mention is that when buying property especially on the lower sides, work out the cost per unit area...you might be paying more for a mombasa road apartment with lower finishes then one in lavington.

Yes I moved backed straight from university in 2000, and its worked out better than I ever imagined. This is the new land of opportunity in my opinion.
Before you can be be old and wise, you must first be young and stupid.
mibbz
#35 Posted : Saturday, September 01, 2012 10:24:52 AM
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my advise;check out tofinarom.com which a housing cooperative society based in lavington green.a 3 bedroom 170sq meter project in kileleshwa is going for 9.3 milli.buy 2 on mortgage with the 7.5 mil as deposit and a balance of 11.1 mil remaining for mortgage.rental yields are approx 75k in that region so two houses 150k

but instead of rental income my advise is to dispose of both properties in two years at market value currently at 15-16 mil;repay your loans of 11.1milli plus interest of 20% pa for two years approx 4.44mil and if my estimate is correct you shall have a cool 15 mil from your initial 7 mil

my main aim is to encourage you to be mortgage free by the time you are going to get a rental house thus the reason for selling as above then by 2015 buying again into another of their project debt free
40by40 100by50
#36 Posted : Saturday, September 01, 2012 6:15:11 PM
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Newbie here. Long time reader. But this thread motivated me to register...

The sad thing about all of this is that you don't feel confident enough in Kenyan contractors that you do not feel you can build unless you are actually present in the country. If you think about it is a huge indictment of how lowly we hold our service providers... Maybe you should consider asking wazuans whether they know any good contractors...

The second thing, and I'm sorry if someone else has mentioned it and I missed it, would be if you are looking at rental income then a single unit from Suraya or whoever is obviously not your best bet. You really should be looking at a block of flats in a place like Baba Dogo would cost you 10m tops. A 4 floor block of flats with 6 units of one bedrooms per floor would get you around 200k per month. Management would cost you between 5% and 15%. Also you lesson the risk of 0 income that would come with a single unit when your tenant moves out.

It might take you a bit outside your comfort zone but you'd probably make a reasonable return.

I love this site by the way. It's just fantastic
young
#37 Posted : Sunday, September 02, 2012 2:19:37 AM
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Location: Lagos, Nigeria
mibbz wrote:
my advise;check out tofinarom.com which a housing cooperative society based in lavington green.a 3 bedroom 170sq meter project in kileleshwa is going for 9.3 milli.buy 2 on mortgage with the 7.5 mil as deposit and a balance of 11.1 mil remaining for mortgage.rental yields are approx 75k in that region so two houses 150k



@Mibbz,

Please confirm are you giving us info or you are talking from experience ?

Any one in this forum who is a member of Tonafinarom,
Share your experience on their reliability and ability to deliver on schedule

(ii) Requirement to be a member like guarantor etc.
The wazua spirit as members is to educate and inform and learn from others within the limit of what we know in any chosen area irrespective of our differences in tribes, nationalities, etc. .
mibbz
#38 Posted : Sunday, September 02, 2012 2:37:53 AM
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@ young have no prior experience with dealing with tofinarom but i believe there was another thread about the same.shall look for it and post the link.
mibbz
#39 Posted : Sunday, September 02, 2012 2:42:13 AM
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check out wazua.co.ke/forum.aspx?g=posts&t=7777
and www.tofinarom.com

thanks
kaifastus
#40 Posted : Sunday, September 02, 2012 11:02:36 AM
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What's this crave about suraya? Some1 please make me understand. With 1.5 to 2.5m you can get a clean 50x100 or 40x80 plot. Use 3 to 4m to construct the first floor of 6 one bedroom rental houses. Rent them out for 5k to 7.5k a month. I am talking from experience.
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