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ONLY 200,000 GRADUATES IN KENYA?
Rank: Elder Joined: 7/22/2009 Posts: 7,913
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Magigi wrote:MaichBlack wrote:Magigi wrote:Weee...Ruto has a degree from a Nairobi university...And a masters degree too...though he took 10 years to earn it. And he got his first degree when education was education...Kama mimi. The fellow was unable to finish his masters untill he became the minister for higher education... ...One thing I respect that guy for...he is well schooled...other things notwithstanding...Hats off for the guy... Whether he completed (somebody said finish is not sound English) his masters when he was in the education ministry is neither here nor there...He proofed he could 'eat' books with his first degree You really don't get the point. Do you? Never count on making a good sale. Have the purchase price be so attractive that even a mediocre sale gives good returns.
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Rank: Member Joined: 5/2/2007 Posts: 536
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Don't think this rule is really necessary. A high school cert should be sufficient. I know many, smart enough to get into Ivy league schools who've instead opted NOT to go to school but instead do business and excel greatly. Going to university does not necessarily translate to grasping complex matters post graduation. Ask any employer. (Mwakenya, skiving lectures etc being contributing factors).
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 2/25/2009 Posts: 973
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tuvok wrote:Don't think this rule is really necessary. A high school cert should be sufficient. I know many, smart enough to get into Ivy league schools who've instead opted NOT to go to school but instead do business and excel greatly. Going to university does not necessarily translate to grasping complex matters post graduation. Ask any employer. (Mwakenya, skiving lectures etc being contributing factors).
I agree. They should find another way of vetting them,you can be knowledgeable but not competent or wise.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 3/26/2012 Posts: 1,182
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guru267 wrote:
Ive actually completed my ACCAs and currently im pursuing my CFA but nothing compares to the allroundedness and extensive research that came with my Bsc.
I mean professional courses do not provide avenues to study diverse humanities, language, communications skills, community service, internships that some quality degrees provide..
200,000 graduates per year implies 0.5% of the Kenyan population.. If you compare this to the USA which has 1,750,000 graduates per year (0.5% of the population) i think we're doing ok...
@ guru267, I thought the 200,000 figure is the sum of graduates over the years. All graduates put together. The current systems allows the deep-pocketed to make it to elective positions. Why not have a rule to have the educated get such positions? We just can't have fools to run a country and expect brilliant ideas from them. There are exceptions of people without degrees but exemplary leaders, but all general rules have exceptions. General rule, watu wasome.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 5/13/2010 Posts: 869 Location: Nairobi
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rock wrote:tuvok wrote:Don't think this rule is really necessary. A high school cert should be sufficient. I know many, smart enough to get into Ivy league schools who've instead opted NOT to go to school but instead do business and excel greatly. Going to university does not necessarily translate to grasping complex matters post graduation. Ask any employer. (Mwakenya, skiving lectures etc being contributing factors).
I agree. They should find another way of vetting them,you can be knowledgeable but not competent or wise. I disagree.. There are also jobs where we think we can do better than those given but we do not have the qualifications they ask.. ....above all, to stand.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 2/3/2010 Posts: 1,797 Location: Kenya
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perceptions can be misleading. I had the opportunity to seat across WR on a 14 hr flight and the guy was engrossed with a book most of the time. I found him to be reserved and knowledgeable contrary to the 'bargetuny' image kina @qw have of him  I may be wrong..but then I could be right
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 2/25/2009 Posts: 973
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Ms Mkenya wrote:rock wrote:tuvok wrote:Don't think this rule is really necessary. A high school cert should be sufficient. I know many, smart enough to get into Ivy league schools who've instead opted NOT to go to school but instead do business and excel greatly. Going to university does not necessarily translate to grasping complex matters post graduation. Ask any employer. (Mwakenya, skiving lectures etc being contributing factors).
I agree. They should find another way of vetting them,you can be knowledgeable but not competent or wise. I disagree.. There are also jobs where we think we can do better than those given but we do not have the qualifications they ask.. ????
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/22/2009 Posts: 7,913
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rock wrote:Ms Mkenya wrote:rock wrote:tuvok wrote:Don't think this rule is really necessary. A high school cert should be sufficient. I know many, smart enough to get into Ivy league schools who've instead opted NOT to go to school but instead do business and excel greatly. Going to university does not necessarily translate to grasping complex matters post graduation. Ask any employer. (Mwakenya, skiving lectures etc being contributing factors).
I agree. They should find another way of vetting them,you can be knowledgeable but not competent or wise. I disagree.. There are also jobs where we think we can do better than those given but we do not have the qualifications they ask.. ???? @Ms Mkenya is telling you a very simple thing. Open any newspaper - or any other media - and go to the vacancies section. You will see Degree in XXX, q years experience, Post Graduate this and that etc. Some people might feel that despite their lack of such papers, given their "experience" and "in born" qualities they can do the said job. Only that no one can give it to them without the papers. Didn't this punks pass a bill last year only to run to funerals to tell people they didn't understand it and they want it brought back to parliament??? Ni masomo kidogo!!! Never count on making a good sale. Have the purchase price be so attractive that even a mediocre sale gives good returns.
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/21/2006 Posts: 608 Location: Ruiru
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murchr wrote:GGK wrote:
Tom Mboya [High sch dropout]
Neither does very educated person make great leaders Like Robert Mugambe [6 university degrees]
Tom Mboya was educated at various Catholic mission schools. In 1942, he joined a Catholic Secondary School in Yala, in Nyanza province, St. Mary's School Yala. In 1946, he went to the Holy Ghost College (later Mang'u High School), where he passed well enough to proceed to do his Cambridge School Certificate. In 1948, Mboya joined the Royal Sanitary Institute's Medical Training School for Sanitary Inspectors at Nairobi, qualifying as an inspector in 1950. In 1955 he received a scholarship from Britain's Trades Union Congress to attend Ruskin College, Oxford, where he studied industrial management. Upon his graduation in 1956. And why is Mugabe not great? If you are historically honest, you'll know that Tom Mboya dropped out of Mang'u because of lack of fees. It will probably explain why Mugambe is "great" "..I am because we are. "― Ubuntu, Umtu,
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/21/2006 Posts: 608 Location: Ruiru
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murchr wrote:GGK wrote:William Ruto has a BSc and MSc from UoN.
I tend to disagree on the requirement for a degree cert for one to be an MP. Makes absolutely no sense because the the National Assembly is representative house for making laws which are drafted by experts. Laws are generally easy to understand.
What happens when one community doesn't have someone [willing] with a degree to seek elective position?
Great leaders are not necessarily very educated. People Like
John Major [High Sch Dropout]
Jacob Zuma [Class 3 dropout]
Tom Mboya [High sch dropout]
Neither does very educated person make great leaders Like Robert Mugambe [6 university degrees] Tom Mboya was educated at various Catholic mission schools. In 1942, he joined a Catholic Secondary School in Yala, in Nyanza province, St. Mary's School Yala. In 1946, he went to the Holy Ghost College (later Mang'u High School), where he passed well enough to proceed to do his Cambridge School Certificate. In 1948, Mboya joined the Royal Sanitary Institute's Medical Training School for Sanitary Inspectors at Nairobi, qualifying as an inspector in 1950. In 1955 he received a scholarship from Britain's Trades Union Congress to attend Ruskin College, Oxford, where he studied industrial management. Upon his graduation in 1956. And why is Mugabe not great? Kindly check your history carefully and honestly Tom Mboya dropped out of Mangu because of lack of fees. He went on to do the things you are saying. http://africanhistory.ab...ieseast/p/bio_mboya.htm
The same history will determine Mugambes "Greatness" "..I am because we are. "― Ubuntu, Umtu,
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