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essyk		#31 Posted : Thursday, June 21, 2012 11:14:40 AM
Rank: Elder Joined: 11/15/2011 Posts: 4,518		nyangao wrote: Njung'e wrote: This is where i say "Ihii ititumaguo uthoni" ....Simply said,the "uncircumspected" are not to be sent to dowry negotiations....Literally... and i do not mean any offence or disrespect pliz!......First,Gachie is almost in the middle of Nairobi.Why pray would you want to take goats to your in-laws who live in the city?Here,common sense should have prevailed.Second,the Agikuyu dowry laws allow for part payment and the rest can be done in instalments,thus 10 goats would have sufficed and the remaining 30 paid over a life time.Third and most important,estimates for goats given here are for those sourced from Kia-Maiko.....The Agikuyu (And i know it also happens to many other communities) have a different benchmark for pricing of "animals of blood" (Indo cia thakame).........At current a goat wouldn't be more than Kshs 1500. And so it's easy.Kshs 60,000.00 was probably the asking price and an initial 15K would have been good enough......You blew it for your friend . I concur with mzee. We also say " ruracio rutithiraga" simply translated, dowry payment never ends. in fact it would be termed rude if you were to clear all your dowry in the first seating even if you had the cash. This would mean that once you get the wench , then mambo ya hiyo family imeishia hapo! Surely lemmie ask this,if this present generation dont know these traditions,meanings and stuff and they are the same people with sons and daughters playing online games,what will happen in future? Traditions will just die. Most Kyuks don't even know these things. They just go 'come we try' to avoid the stress. "The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good.
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Njung'e		#32 Posted : Thursday, June 21, 2012 11:16:21 AM
Rank: Elder Joined: 2/7/2007 Posts: 11,935 Location: Nairobi		[quote=essyk But I guess its only your dad who can call you that and nobody else lest you take offence? I have 9 daughters.Utalipaa simba hapana mbuzi. [/quote] On the contrary,NO!....My father's agemates will call me a "kihii" any day and there is no offence in that......as long as they have sons and daughters too. Nothing great was ever achieved without enthusiasm.
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nakujua		#33 Posted : Thursday, June 21, 2012 11:16:52 AM
Rank: Elder Joined: 12/17/2009 Posts: 3,583 Location: Kenya		its funny that some claims to understand the traditions of the kikuyu, even quoting some deep proverbs and yet they go ahead and say that goats don't represent the real goats but the cash equivalent and the honey represents sugar.
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essyk		#34 Posted : Thursday, June 21, 2012 11:20:25 AM
Rank: Elder Joined: 11/15/2011 Posts: 4,518		Njung'e wrote: On the contrary,NO!....My father's agemates will call me a "kihii" any day and there is no offence in that......as long as they have sons and daughters too. I take it to mean that it's offensive 4 a married fellow with no kids to call you a kihii?? Quote: its funny that some claims to understand the traditions of the kikuyu, even quoting some deep proverbs and yet they go ahead and say that goats don't represent the real goats but the cash equivalent and the honey represents sugar. This is where I get discombobulated. I think it's tradition metamorphosising into modern? See why I say Traditions will die? cz years later everything will be done online on Amazon.com. Shop and Cart away and shipping of bride will be done at your doorstep. Talk of door to door. "The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good.
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Tebes		#35 Posted : Thursday, June 21, 2012 11:24:19 AM
Rank: Elder Joined: 11/26/2008 Posts: 2,097		nyangao wrote: Njung'e wrote: Why pray would you want to take goats to your in-laws who live in the city?Here,common sense should have prevailed.Second,the Agikuyu dowry laws allow for part payment and the rest can be done in instalments,thus 10 goats would have sufficed and the remaining 30 paid over a life time.....You blew it for your friend . I concur with mzee. We also say " ruracio rutithiraga" simply translated, dowry payment never ends. in fact it would be termed rude if you were to clear all your dowry in the first seating even if you had the cash. This would mean that once you get the wench , then mambo ya hiyo family imeishia hapo! @ESSYK was busy working out commission she would get on each ngoat as well as transport brokerage fees! @Nyangao True dowry is not the selling price but rather the bonding symbol between the two new families of the bride and the groom. Therefore it should never be paid in full all at once as it would demean its purpose. Also there is more respect between the groom and his in-laws when he knows he is still indebted to them. *"Never regret, if its good, its wonderful. If its bad, its experience."*
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Njung'e		#36 Posted : Thursday, June 21, 2012 11:25:07 AM
Rank: Elder Joined: 2/7/2007 Posts: 11,935 Location: Nairobi		nakujua wrote: its funny that some claims to understand the traditions of the kikuyu, even quoting some deep proverbs and yet they go ahead and say that goats don't represent the real goats but the cash equivalent and the honey represents sugar. kaigangio and i have said that much and as far as i know,where intermarriages are involved,this is acceptable.Think,if you daughter marries a Ghanaian boy,would you expect your in-laws to ship goats and honey from Kumasi? @Essyk, Absolute yes.........It is assumed that they have nothing to show (With due respect to the childless.I should not be viewed as being insensitive pliz ) Nothing great was ever achieved without enthusiasm.
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essyk		#37 Posted : Thursday, June 21, 2012 11:32:04 AM
Rank: Elder Joined: 11/15/2011 Posts: 4,518		Tebes wrote: @ESSYK was busy working out commission she would get on each ngoat as well as transport brokerage fees! True but trying to help a friend too. @Nyangao True dowry is not the selling price but rather the bonding symbol between the two new families of the bride and the groom. Therefore it should never be paid in full all at once as it would demean its purpose. Also there is more respect between the groom and his in-laws when he knows he is still indebted to them. YOU see why people will NVER stop burying LIVE CALVES? Because the inlaws die before they have received full dowry payment leavin the living with outrageous demands. Pay finish and live in peace without debt. "The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good.
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Lolest!		#38 Posted : Thursday, June 21, 2012 11:32:22 AM
Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma		Politics made the word 'kihii' be seen as offensive. I remember sometime back when Uhuru was defending Kibaki from ODM attacks and he asked 'Mareciria Kibaki ni kihii kiao?' NTV translated this to mean 'They think Kibaki is uncircumcised?'. This was clearly wrong. I remember wazuans, even the respected older ones who you'd expect to understand and interpret correctly siding with the NTV mistranslation. The other misunderstood word is 'nyukwa'.
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essyk		#39 Posted : Thursday, June 21, 2012 11:35:48 AM
Rank: Elder Joined: 11/15/2011 Posts: 4,518		Lolest! wrote: Politics made the word 'kihii' be seen as offensive. I remember sometime back when Uhuru was defending Kibaki from ODM attacks and he asked 'Mareciria Kibaki ni kihii kiao?' NTV translated this to mean 'They think Kibaki is uncircumcised?'. This was clearly wrong. I remember wazuans, even the respected older ones who you'd expect to understand and interpret correctly siding with the NTV mistranslation. The other misunderstood word is 'nyukwa'. this means something nasty.I just dont know what. "The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good.
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Lolest!		#40 Posted : Thursday, June 21, 2012 11:38:36 AM
Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma		essyk wrote: Surely lemmie ask this,if this present generation dont know these traditions,meanings and stuff and they are the same people with sons and daughters playing online games,what will happen in future? Traditions will just die. Some traditions should just be allowed to die. Bride price paying belongs to the same group as FGM.
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