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OIL IN AFRICA
madollar
#31 Posted : Friday, March 30, 2012 11:57:45 AM
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salalaa this oil find seems to be causing ripples

In ten years — maybe less — Kenya is slated to be the United Arab Emirates of East Africa.

http://www.energyandcapi...les/they-struck-oil/2137
Cde Monomotapa
#32 Posted : Friday, March 30, 2012 11:59:15 AM
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[quote=madollar]great read about the oil find in kenya

http://www.prospectingjo...he-tepid-promise032912/[/quote]
Agreed.
2012
#33 Posted : Friday, March 30, 2012 5:39:19 PM
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Joined: 12/9/2009
Posts: 6,592
Location: Nairobi
Very interesting article. As wrong and sad as it might be, it is the true.

Oil is the best thing that could have happened to us, but it has its owners

BBI will solve it
:)
Forester
#34 Posted : Friday, March 30, 2012 6:03:42 PM
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Location: Epicentre - Ngamia 1
We're being colonized a second time Sad by being hoodwinked with this infrastructure development and now oil/coal exploration. All these Chinese & the West pple care about their own interests, once theyv rap*d our country off its resources, tutabaki uchi Sad Sad Sad and pay dearly.

Build your own dreams, or someone else will hire you to build theirs - Farrah Gray.
mkeiyd
#35 Posted : Saturday, March 31, 2012 10:05:02 AM
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Joined: 3/26/2012
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Forester wrote:
We're being colonized a second time Sad by being hoodwinked with this infrastructure development and now oil/coal exploration. All these Chinese & the West pple care about their own interests, once theyv rap*d our country off its resources, tutabaki uchi Sad Sad Sad and pay dearly.




@Forester, What you say we do? How about you back up your argument with facts.
Because if you don't, i will accuse you of suffering from mental slavery. The crippling of one's thinking,to the extend on not being ever,have rational thinking.
When your thinking is clouded in fear,emotion/anger, you are colonized.
I will disagree to a very large degree with your assertions.
We are NOT being colonized.
All the infrastructure being developed, is a PLUS for the country.
If development loans for roads,airports,sea ports etc is colonization, how about we close our local banks. I mean, following your analogy, they are colonizing Kenyans by giving them loans to build homes, start businesses etc.
Example:When a gov't like China advances credit to Kenya for Thika Rd or airport expansion, then follows and makes sure those projects are implemented [forget our local cowboy contractors,they need more time in the cold], how is that colonization?

May be you should define colonization for me.

Now i can rush to Thika and back in a few minutes, the expanded JKIA will raise the profile,bringing in more business opportunities. How do you think KQ is going to expand if the airport ain't expanding?
The coal/oil exploration, how do you suggest we go forward? Just chase the explorers? And do what?
You got to know where you are,where you've come from, for you to know where you are going.
Do we have the capital to explore/mine? By capital i mean financial,human and infrastructural. Do we have it?
So far, we don't. But joining hands with those have the capital, in the process we will develop and have ours.
The rest of the world,each has a history stretching thousands of years. Do we have it? Two thousand years ago, where were we?
In short, for us to catch up with the rest of the world, we have to learn from it and learn fast.
If we think without fear and anger, we'll come up with rational decisions for our country,which won't lead us to isolation or irrelevance, but one that will lead us to the path of prosperity.
Norway moved its people to give room for oil exploration and drilling,if that were to be suggested here,what would be the uproar? "We are selling our ancestral lands for oil money" would be the story. that is because most our thinking is not rational.
Do you think Hong Kong or Singapore developed from their own pockets?
Roads are built by consortia whose bank accounts are in far lands. Does that mean they are colonized? Does that mean they don't develop? Every time i read people comparing us and them. If we are to compare us with them, then we got to think like them.
They used other countries' capital to develop. Look where they are,and then look at Kenya.
Remember the time Hellen Sambili rebuffed attempts to name Nyayo stadium Coca Cola? The reason was sovereignty,heritage and all sorts of crap. There was a debate here on wazua,and some people argued how renaming the stadium coca cola would be tantamount to selling our sovereignty,our heritage,our dignity,colonization they said.
How stupid! There we lost a good chance of having a state of the art stadium.
What is that heritage sambili was protecting? Run down facility? Stupidity? If people had thought without fear/emotion,they would have seen that , we were not losing anything, we were to gain.
Heritage is having a good stadium which develops world class sportsmen. NOT having a stadium retain Nyayo as its name. That's NOT patriotism/heritage/sovereignty.
That's having a colonized mind.
Otherwise we can chase every foreign investor, and wallow in want,making do with our taxes and take several times longer, to cover the same dev't we would have,if we engaged the ones with the capital.
Rational thinking devoid of fear/emotion is the magical key.
a4architect.com
#36 Posted : Saturday, March 31, 2012 10:29:09 AM
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Joined: 1/4/2010
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Location: nairobi
The guy who came up with the concept of paper money- Mayer Amschel rothschild- had this to say:

“Give me the power to control a nation’s currency and I care not who makes its laws.”

http://www.a4architect.c...on-is-an-invisible-tax/

Basically, no one else will help Kenyans to think on win-win situations exept Kenyans themselves.

Only laws drafted to allow for win-win deals and a parliament that keeps the executive in check and a citizenry that is involved and keeps both parliament and executive in check can result for win-win contracts in Kenya.
As Iron Sharpens Iron, So one Man Sharpens Another.
young
#37 Posted : Saturday, March 31, 2012 10:44:58 AM
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Joined: 6/20/2007
Posts: 2,076
Location: Lagos, Nigeria
a4architect.com wrote:
@young..now that you mentioned you come form the Niger Delta, what in your opinion is the cause of Nigeria producing millions of barrels per day yet over 70% of its population live on less than 1 usd per day?



CORRUPTION.
It has nothing to do from where in Nigeria I come from.
The wazua spirit as members is to educate and inform and learn from others within the limit of what we know in any chosen area irrespective of our differences in tribes, nationalities, etc. .
Forester
#38 Posted : Saturday, March 31, 2012 10:46:04 AM
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Joined: 12/7/2010
Posts: 520
Location: Epicentre - Ngamia 1
mkeiyd wrote:
Forester wrote:
We're being colonized a second time Sad by being hoodwinked with this infrastructure development and now oil/coal exploration. All these Chinese & the West pple care about their own interests, once theyv rap*d our country off its resources, tutabaki uchi Sad Sad Sad and pay dearly.




@Forester, What you say we do? How about you back up your argument with facts.
Because if you don't, i will accuse you of suffering from mental slavery. The crippling of one's thinking,to the extend on not being ever,have rational thinking.
When your thinking is clouded in fear,emotion/anger, you are colonized.
I will disagree to a very large degree with your assertions.
We are NOT being colonized.
All the infrastructure being developed, is a PLUS for the country.
If development loans for roads,airports,sea ports etc is colonization, how about we close our local banks. I mean, following your analogy, they are colonizing Kenyans by giving them loans to build homes, start businesses etc.
Example:When a gov't like China advances credit to Kenya for Thika Rd or airport expansion, then follows and makes sure those projects are implemented [forget our local cowboy contractors,they need more time in the cold], how is that colonization?

May be you should define colonization for me.

Now i can rush to Thika and back in a few minutes, the expanded JKIA will raise the profile,bringing in more business opportunities. How do you think KQ is going to expand if the airport ain't expanding?
The coal/oil exploration, how do you suggest we go forward? Just chase the explorers? And do what?
You got to know where you are,where you've come from, for you to know where you are going.
Do we have the capital to explore/mine? By capital i mean financial,human and infrastructural. Do we have it?
So far, we don't. But joining hands with those have the capital, in the process we will develop and have ours.
The rest of the world,each has a history stretching thousands of years. Do we have it? Two thousand years ago, where were we?
In short, for us to catch up with the rest of the world, we have to learn from it and learn fast.
If we think without fear and anger, we'll come up with rational decisions for our country,which won't lead us to isolation or irrelevance, but one that will lead us to the path of prosperity.Norway moved its people to give room for oil exploration and drilling,if that were to be suggested here,what would be the uproar? "We are selling our ancestral lands for oil money" would be the story. that is because most our thinking is not rational.
Do you think Hong Kong or Singapore developed from their own pockets?
Roads are built by consortia whose bank accounts are in far lands. Does that mean they are colonized? Does that mean they don't develop? Every time i read people comparing us and them. If we are to compare us with them, then we got to think like them.
They used other countries' capital to develop. Look where they are,and then look at Kenya.
Remember the time Hellen Sambili rebuffed attempts to name Nyayo stadium Coca Cola? The reason was sovereignty,heritage and all sorts of crap. There was a debate here on wazua,and some people argued how renaming the stadium coca cola would be tantamount to selling our sovereignty,our heritage,our dignity,colonization they said.
How stupid! There we lost a good chance of having a state of the art stadium.
What is that heritage sambili was protecting? Run down facility? Stupidity? If people had thought without fear/emotion,they would have seen that , we were not losing anything, we were to gain.
Heritage is having a good stadium which develops world class sportsmen. NOT having a stadium retain Nyayo as its name. That's NOT patriotism/heritage/sovereignty.
That's having a colonized mind.
Otherwise we can chase every foreign investor, and wallow in want,making do with our taxes and take several times longer, to cover the same dev't we would have,if we engaged the ones with the capital.
Rational thinking devoid of fear/emotion is the magical key.


Applause Applause Applause

Thank you for enlightening me, i agree with you. Your sentiments are well thought out. Don't get me wrong, am for the the developments hook, line & sinker - its about time but guess am just not too comfortable with these pacts & you think these pple love us reason we're getting the projects funded 100%?
Build your own dreams, or someone else will hire you to build theirs - Farrah Gray.
alma
#39 Posted : Saturday, March 31, 2012 10:49:48 AM
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Joined: 7/20/2007
Posts: 4,432
d'oh! d'oh!
Jose: If I make it through this thug life, I'll see you one day. The Lord is the only way to stop the hurt.
a4architect.com
#40 Posted : Saturday, March 31, 2012 10:53:55 AM
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Joined: 1/4/2010
Posts: 1,668
Location: nairobi
young wrote:
a4architect.com wrote:
@young..now that you mentioned you come form the Niger Delta, what in your opinion is the cause of Nigeria producing millions of barrels per day yet over 70% of its population live on less than 1 usd per day?



CORRUPTION.
It has nothing to do from where in Nigeria I come from.


Asante...So in Kenya the animal we should all look out for is corruption.
The easiest way to deal with corruption is through making detailed laws that allow for open public scrutiny of oil deals.
As Iron Sharpens Iron, So one Man Sharpens Another.
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