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Rank: Veteran Joined: 12/4/2009 Posts: 1,982 Location: matano manne
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mnjoro wrote:nostoppingthis wrote:mnjoro wrote:I have no problem with RAO at all as the president.BUT problem is how do we outgrow Railaphobia after what we experienced in 2008.Seizing people's properties was the most undoing thing for him.This will haunt us for a very long time.
Majority of us that would want him in that house are waiting for that assurance. Did he organize, finance and execute this atrocities? Who seized others properties? @mnjoro, I believe UK derives his support from his "heroic" acts of commission during Jan/Feb of 2008. By then this "people" had and still did not clearly know who their enemies were. WR's "people" slaughtered hundreds of Okuyus in Eld, burned them in churches.....and took away their shambas. While no kaleo was deprived of his land very few that died. Today the okuyu kingdom does not realize that their hero has betrayed them by sleeping with the enemy WR!!!!!
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Rank: Member Joined: 2/21/2009 Posts: 573
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Much as we may talk about politicians,have any of you guys realized we are as political as they are.
Consinder their behaviour and its excatly repricated here.they accuse each other on the public gallery whilest dining together JUST as we have and are planning to eat Mbuzi together.
I believe its only @nonstoppingthis who can stop these politics here.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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Rahatupu wrote:
@mnjoro, I believe UK derives his support from his "heroic" acts of commission during Jan/Feb of 2008. By then this "people" had and still did not clearly know who their enemies were. WR's "people" slaughtered hundreds of Okuyus in Eld, burned them in churches.....and took away their shambas. While no kaleo was deprived of his land very few that died.
Today the okuyu kingdom does not realize that their hero has betrayed them by sleeping with the enemy WR!!!!!
RAO was not innocent either. Every time he comes close to power the 'kingdom' has to suffer. Rememeber the incident when NARC came to power when sme 20 or so youths from the kingdom were killed by 'Raila supporters' who had refused to pay rent in Mathare? Remember Raila's innocent words on the Kiambaa incident? There is a well known fact that there was one man who could have stopped the violence in 07/08 but he didn't!
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 12/4/2009 Posts: 1,982 Location: matano manne
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Lolest! wrote:Rahatupu wrote:
@mnjoro, I believe UK derives his support from his "heroic" acts of commission during Jan/Feb of 2008. By then this "people" had and still did not clearly know who their enemies were. WR's "people" slaughtered hundreds of Okuyus in Eld, burned them in churches.....and took away their shambas. While no kaleo was deprived of his land very few that died.
Today the okuyu kingdom does not realize that their hero has betrayed them by sleeping with the enemy WR!!!!!
RAO was not innocent either. Every time he comes close to power the 'kingdom' has to suffer. Rememeber the incident when NARC came to power when sme 20 or so youths from the kingdom were killed by 'Raila supporters' who had refused to pay rent in Mathare? Remember Raila's innocent words on the Kiambaa incident? There is a well known fact that there was one man who could have stopped the violence in 07/08 but he didn't! From the Koigi article, what I want to emphasise like he did is that the okuyu stunt themselves by partnering with WR or agreeing to form whatever tribal alliances period. Worse they partner with the ones who always dine with them lakini "adui ni hao wao"
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,823 Location: Nairobi
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Rahatupu wrote:Lolest! wrote:Rahatupu wrote:
@mnjoro, I believe UK derives his support from his "heroic" acts of commission during Jan/Feb of 2008. By then this "people" had and still did not clearly know who their enemies were. WR's "people" slaughtered hundreds of Okuyus in Eld, burned them in churches.....and took away their shambas. While no kaleo was deprived of his land very few that died.
Today the okuyu kingdom does not realize that their hero has betrayed them by sleeping with the enemy WR!!!!!
RAO was not innocent either. Every time he comes close to power the 'kingdom' has to suffer. Rememeber the incident when NARC came to power when sme 20 or so youths from the kingdom were killed by 'Raila supporters' who had refused to pay rent in Mathare? Remember Raila's innocent words on the Kiambaa incident? There is a well known fact that there was one man who could have stopped the violence in 07/08 but he didn't! From the Koigi article, what I want to emphasise like he did is that the okuyu stunt themselves by partnering with WR or agreeing to form whatever tribal alliances period. Worse they partner with the ones who always dine with them lakini "adui ni hao wao" As a Kikuyu from Rift Valley (As I am) ,Koigi should know that the peace for our people lies in peace with the Kalenjin nation. We are so mixed up in places like Kuresoi, Molo, Likia, Mauche Njoro, Ngata, Kabarak, Rongai e.t.c. that it becomes to our benefit to actually seek an alliance with them. We have suffered in times past as our idealists from Central province pick up wars on our behalf. There was a move to break our union with Central province and explore a political union with our neighbours in rift valley. Believe me when I say this- this union between Uhuru and Ruto is very practical and useful for us kikuyus of 'ruguru'. the rest can meza wembe! All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Member Joined: 9/30/2011 Posts: 483
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poundfoolish wrote:there are only two solid blocks in Kenya..
Luo and Kikuyu, with the rest to fight for...
even the Ruto sideshow is just that..for show.. 'ikifika kwa tepe' as Pufwoli puts it.. RV (Kalenjin vote) will be 50/50... Kisii Nyanza 40/60, Wezdern 80/20, Coast vote 30/70, N.eastern 50/50, Nairobi 50/50...
thus that run-off is welcome.. You clearly don't understand the Kalenjin nation. The rest I agree with.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,823 Location: Nairobi
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Lucid_Iam wrote:poundfoolish wrote:there are only two solid blocks in Kenya..
Luo and Kikuyu, with the rest to fight for...
even the Ruto sideshow is just that..for show.. 'ikifika kwa tepe' as Pufwoli puts it.. RV (Kalenjin vote) will be 50/50... Kisii Nyanza 40/60, Wezdern 80/20, Coast vote 30/70, N.eastern 50/50, Nairobi 50/50...
thus that run-off is welcome.. You clearly don't understand the Kalenjin nation. The rest I agree with. The Kalenjin Nation has never been divided! they vote as a bloc All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Chief Joined: 8/24/2009 Posts: 5,909 Location: Nairobi
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mnjoro wrote:Much as we may talk about politicians,have any of you guys realized we are as political as they are.
Consinder their behaviour and its excatly repricated here.they accuse each other on the public gallery whilest dining together JUST as we have and are planning to eat Mbuzi together.
I believe its only @nonstoppingthis who can stop these politics here. Every time politics is brought up, tension rise in wazua....I think it is best we become modest and sober with such discussions, than deteriorate to the infamous @Paulkukubo days (other were busy cheering as @Paulkukubo hit below the belt, as this was in line with their political believes/inclination. It doesn't look like any discussion here will even change the way you vote (maybe with regards to specific individuals)...so, Let these thread be...it was to discuss the issues raised by Koigi...
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 12/4/2009 Posts: 1,982 Location: matano manne
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masukuma wrote:Rahatupu wrote:Lolest! wrote:Rahatupu wrote:
@mnjoro, I believe UK derives his support from his "heroic" acts of commission during Jan/Feb of 2008. By then this "people" had and still did not clearly know who their enemies were. WR's "people" slaughtered hundreds of Okuyus in Eld, burned them in churches.....and took away their shambas. While no kaleo was deprived of his land very few that died.
Today the okuyu kingdom does not realize that their hero has betrayed them by sleeping with the enemy WR!!!!!
RAO was not innocent either. Every time he comes close to power the 'kingdom' has to suffer. Rememeber the incident when NARC came to power when sme 20 or so youths from the kingdom were killed by 'Raila supporters' who had refused to pay rent in Mathare? Remember Raila's innocent words on the Kiambaa incident? There is a well known fact that there was one man who could have stopped the violence in 07/08 but he didn't! From the Koigi article, what I want to emphasise like he did is that the okuyu stunt themselves by partnering with WR or agreeing to form whatever tribal alliances period. Worse they partner with the ones who always dine with them lakini "adui ni hao wao" As a Kikuyu from Rift Valley (As I am) ,Koigi should know that the peace for our people lies in peace with the Kalenjin nation. We are so mixed up in places like Kuresoi, Molo, Likia, Mauche Njoro, Ngata, Kabarak, Rongai e.t.c. that it becomes to our benefit to actually seek an alliance with them. We have suffered in times past as our idealists from Central province pick up wars on our behalf. There was a move to break our union with Central province and explore a political union with our neighbours in rift valley. Believe me when I say this- this union between Uhuru and Ruto is very practical and useful for us kikuyus of 'ruguru'. the rest can meza wembe! @Masukuma, the alliance is built on quicksand, given that the vote is mainly determined by "central" okuyus the difference in the voting pattern will not alter any violence targeting the "ruguru" okuyus. In a worst case scenario they'd still be burnt in churches. What peace?? Did they rape, maim, kill, burn or loot any kaleo women, children, shambas etc?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/2/2009 Posts: 2,458 Location: Nairobi
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masukuma wrote:Lucid_Iam wrote:poundfoolish wrote:there are only two solid blocks in Kenya..
Luo and Kikuyu, with the rest to fight for...
even the Ruto sideshow is just that..for show.. 'ikifika kwa tepe' as Pufwoli puts it.. RV (Kalenjin vote) will be 50/50... Kisii Nyanza 40/60, Wezdern 80/20, Coast vote 30/70, N.eastern 50/50, Nairobi 50/50...
thus that run-off is welcome.. You clearly don't understand the Kalenjin nation. The rest I agree with. The Kalenjin Nation has never been divided! they vote as a bloc I hate to indulge much into the Kalenjin nation vote, but why, please do tell, did UDM decide not to give the party to WR... who were the forces behind it, denying the torch bearer a MERE party.. WR has some local powerful forces to reckon with.. the problem is that they are quiet, calculating and moneyed..and many
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