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#31 Posted : Tuesday, May 31, 2011 6:54:40 PM
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@famooz, spot on! The amt is not collosal. Thinking like maskini sounds so activist-like. I saw guys complaining that the prayer breakfast last week should not have been held and instead the funds should have been directed to IDPs. We need to understand that we are members of the international community and such donations are necessary
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MaichBlack
#32 Posted : Tuesday, May 31, 2011 8:06:31 PM
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People need to get serious. What Baks did is very African. When a friend is in need you help. You don't start comparing bank statements and/or problems. You just help. In your own small way. If we heard a wazuan is in need, we would all try to assist. We would not start comparing our portfolios etc.

Japan is a true friend to Kenya. Some are talking about famine. Do you know how much Japan has helped improve agriculture in Kenya both directly and indirectly? Do you know how much Jomo Kenyatta University of Agriculture and Technology (JKUAT) has helped improve agriculture in Kenya? And I am talking of development of disease resistant crops all the way to holding seminars for farmers from mashinani to teach them better farming methods. Do you know who funded and continues to fund JKUAT? Ever heard of JICA? Ever heard of the International Water Project (IWP)? And we are discussing 82 - 87 million shillings? You guys need to get serious!!!!

See links below.

By the way, guess who is the biggest beneficiary of Japanese Development Assistance in Sub-Saharan Africa.

Japan - Kenya

Japan Helps Feed IDPs

Japan's assistance to Kenya for geothermal power generation, drought responses and re-forestation

Water For Loitokitok

My brothers and sisters in Samburu can now drink a glass of clean water!

Never count on making a good sale. Have the purchase price be so attractive that even a mediocre sale gives good returns.
Katibampya
#33 Posted : Tuesday, May 31, 2011 9:20:17 PM
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@maichmweusi, its not also African to have your own children homeless and hungry year in year out na hata hujali!!And when you talk about us being the biggest beneficiaries of Japanese assistance,remember nothing comes for free.Tunalipa with interest!! True ,82-88milion is loose change for our 1 trillion budget but what a we gaining as kenyans from this gesture? Kama ni more aid ama assistance as u call it, washindwe kabisa.Tuko na madeni ya kutosha.If it will increase trade btw the two countries, then that's better.And this trade must be skewed in our favour to reduce the huge trade deficit that exists between the two countries.Otherwise unapeleka gorogoro tano ya mahindi kwa matanga ya wadosi ndio upate nini? They won't even realize you were there in the first place. the best u can do is ngoja siku ya burial, nenda huko na ule breakfast,lunch and supper then weka mabaki kwa paperbag upelekee your hungry kids aka kenyans!!!
digitek1
#34 Posted : Tuesday, May 31, 2011 9:48:32 PM
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@katiba..et al why do poor people tithe..yet God is so rich? Giving is an affirmation of your right to prosper..or is is kenya so poor we are maskini nisaidie all the tym
hapaana am with baks on this one
I may be wrong..but then I could be right
Wa_ithaka
#35 Posted : Tuesday, May 31, 2011 10:39:09 PM
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I just wish the General wasn't so generous with tax payers money which he doesn't of course contribute even a penny. Kama anataka kudonate, maybe he should sink his hands into his very deep pockets.
Charity begins at home.

niki
The Governor of Nyeri - 2017
simonkabz
#36 Posted : Wednesday, June 01, 2011 8:40:08 AM
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A nation of actvists. We shall yap on the most mundane issues.....yap yap yeah yap yap yeah.....USA donates to the world while its homeless dot the streets...Lets yap...
TULIA.........UFUNZWE!
YesuWangu
#37 Posted : Wednesday, June 01, 2011 1:00:49 PM
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digitek1 wrote:
@katiba..et al why do poor people tithe..yet God is so rich? Giving is an affirmation of your right to prosper..or is is kenya so poor we are maskini nisaidie all the tym
hapaana am with baks on this one

ala! Has it become tithe now? Maybe of the 'sow your seed and reap' version?
Jangwa la Jangili
#38 Posted : Wednesday, June 01, 2011 7:56:45 PM
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Here is a sad reality even for we who are not so churchy

Mark 14:7 - "For you always have the poor with you, and whenever you wish you can do good to them"

Strange that even countries with GDPs per capita in excess of $70,000 still have homeless people. Where then do you draw the "all clear" line to give tokens to close partner nations facing a once in a life time tragedy? Zero poverty? Zero lack? In my view, this is one gesture that was too long in coming.

We have huge problems but 86M is a minuscule fraction of Kenya's GDP. Inter-governmental goodwill (not necessarily aid or loans), just like big business is determined not so much by how poor or desperate we are, but by interpersonal relationships.

Obviously we cannot dish it out to everybody like its Christmas. Gifts should be dished out sparingly. But if we stop looking at the Japanese government as some distant, amorphous entity and start seeing it as a collection of decision makers & real people that have been on Kenya's side through thick and thin, then we will see this token to one of their nation's biggest tragedy in recent memory, is a no brainer.

In the greater context of Japan-Kenya relations & history, $1million will be little more than a blip on the financial radar but whose goodwill will pay off for generations.

To date (230 years later), Americans still remember that the French stood with them during their struggle for independence against conventional European opinion at the time.

Yes, the poor you will always have among you. Helping IDPs and the hungry does not mean we cannot use cash for anything else at the same time. We can walk and chew gum at the same time.

It is time African nations start to see the forest from the trees.
Katika Jangwa la Jangili ndipo Pwagu hupata Pwaguzi.
masukuma
#39 Posted : Wednesday, June 01, 2011 9:00:44 PM
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Nyeuthi's don't get it! giving is not a product of abundance its a product of compassion. you will never have enough to start giving. let me remind you, the US through USAID was giving out cash during the credit crisis.
do you know what it means when the president declares something a national disaster? it means that more than one ministry are now getting involved in the matter and resources stored for disasters can be used to alleviate the situation.
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#40 Posted : Wednesday, June 01, 2011 11:03:27 PM
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that's why we are our brothers' keeper!!!!!!
"You're not supposed to be so blind with patriotism that you can't face reality. Wrong is wrong, no matter who says it". Malcolm X
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