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The Housing Bubble in Kenya will Burst very soon....
KenyanLyrics
#31 Posted : Thursday, March 03, 2011 10:14:37 PM
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erifloss
#32 Posted : Friday, March 04, 2011 8:42:13 AM
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Watched JM yesterday on money matters and i realised that they already have a strategy to infiltrate the mortgage market. These guys have created an axis of HFCK (the mortgage provider), Equity bank (the fundraiser) & Britak (the developer). Looking in closely Equity is a majority shareholder of HF while JM & Peter Munga(read equity) are large shareholders at Britak. According to Britak's MD the IPO is not for cashing out but rather to develop & grow their businesses & that they are looking at growing their 'real estate development business.' With this new axis, a burst is imminent.
'They say money cannot buy me happiness but when i compare when i had none and now, i'm happier' Kevin O'leary
Papa Investor
#33 Posted : Friday, March 04, 2011 10:19:26 AM
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KenyanLyrics wrote:
http://nairobi.dealfish.co.ke/offer/eastleigh-1st-avenue-roadside-property-for-sale-IDpJb.html


Nimeone hio nyumba inauzwa 35m nikacheka....there will definately be a bubble in that segment of market...Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly
bwenyenye
#34 Posted : Friday, March 04, 2011 10:36:29 AM
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@Papa,

The property may actually be very well priced. You see, it is not the house that is for sale but the potential of what you can make of it. If you buy the property ( i.e land in location) what can you do with it? if you put up a six storey flat with shops in the ground floor, you should recoup your money in the next seven years max. So it depends on how you look at it but it is definetely not a place to buy and live in.
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stocksguru7
#35 Posted : Friday, March 04, 2011 12:02:35 PM
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Property prices are heading in a very tough area in the old days say 5years ago a flat fetching rent of 20k would be worth say 1.7mln now the same house fetching 20k rebt is now worth 4mln

is this making sense to anyone ?


Buying a nw prpoerty of 5mln needs 60k instalment ever month and if you rent it you will get 30 k so in short proerty prices are now showing a negative cash flow ,buying properties on a negative cash flow will only lead to misery and ruin

i thot someone will speak out
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guru267
#36 Posted : Friday, March 04, 2011 12:11:28 PM
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stocksguru7 wrote:
Property prices are heading in a very tough area in the old days say 5years ago a flat fetching rent of 20k would be worth say 1.7mln now the same house fetching 20k rebt is now worth 4mln

is this making sense to anyone ?


Buying a nw prpoerty of 5mln needs 60k instalment ever month and if you rent it you will get 30 k so in short proerty prices are now showing a negative cash flow ,buying properties on a negative cash flow will only lead to misery and ruin

i thot someone will speak out


@stocksguru7 stop hating on capitalism... As long as demand for housing continues to rise and there is limited supply prices will go even higher than they are now...

We will be all paying 120k installments and 60k rent for those apartments your talking about and hamtasema chochote...
Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
bwenyenye
#37 Posted : Friday, March 04, 2011 1:58:52 PM
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stocksguru7 wrote:
Property prices are heading in a very tough area in the old days say 5years ago a flat fetching rent of 20k would be worth say 1.7mln now the same house fetching 20k rebt is now worth 4mln

is this making sense to anyone ?


Buying a nw prpoerty of 5mln needs 60k instalment ever month and if you rent it you will get 30 k so in short proerty prices are now showing a negative cash flow ,buying properties on a negative cash flow will only lead to misery and ruin

i thot someone will speak out


@ Stocks,

Why make the assumption that someone buys to rent? Most guys who buy houses in Kenya, over 90% actually live in them.So the rental income is the furthest thing on their minds. Those who are focused on renting normally build and it works out to about 15-25% returns p.a
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tony stark
#38 Posted : Friday, March 04, 2011 2:38:00 PM
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Clearly there is a lot of misinformation on this topic. I totally agree that the price of property is ridiculous but I disagree there is a bubble.
The factors driving up the prices of property are many. Urbanization is the main contributing factor. With every one moving to towns the need for housing grows with the population increase. The growth of towns is not linear and housing can only grow in a linear fashion which is way below the population growth.
Youth bulge falls under the urbanization umbrella and they require housing and amenities. The youth bulge also come with able bodies persons who can contribute labour and brains to grow the economies that will support their consumerism mentality.

Kenya is currently in a situation where demand is high, a youth bulge that might finally create a significant middle class and is able (maybe not capable) to generate wealth. This is only the growth spurt.
Is there a correction in the offing. Maybe but the correction is small and might only happen in the executive range apartment houses(>10 milli) and poorly serviced and highly priced area. Middle class and low income housing WILL NOT HAVE A CORRECTION!

There are too many opportunities in the property sector and if Nairobi is too rich for you look at other towns because this is happening in Nairobi and all other towns albeit in a smaller scale.


fantony
#39 Posted : Friday, March 04, 2011 2:46:53 PM
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@ wendz - you will pay 60k every month for the next 15 years.. constantly and you will have ownership
if you rent @ 20k..it will go up every year by 2.5% compounded so in 15years you rent will be 40k and you will own nothing..

but i think you have understated the rent... a house that draws a 60k mortgage should get you at least 30k rent... and i have tested that scenario across town and it works

and apart from the ownership you will have the best hedge against inflation...

the houses for buru V were approx 400k in 1980s drawing a mortgage of about 2k per month.. my mum thinking like you refused to buy..

now that house is worth 4.5 m..

most of the guys redeveloping their plots in kilimani, kileleshwa bought their half acre homes for between 0.5 - 1.0 million in the 80s.. those parcels are now going for 50,000,000..

do you need more examples?
Papa Investor
#40 Posted : Friday, March 04, 2011 3:17:03 PM
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buying for renting gives pathetic rental yeild....however buying for capital gains of middle level housing with rents helping manage the mortgage payments still make economic / cashflow sense...
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