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Kenya's case may fry the ICC Pt II
si_cheki_ovyo_ovyo
#31 Posted : Tuesday, February 22, 2011 2:57:52 PM
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2 Miles wrote:
If the suspects are not indicted , we are back to square 1. I will cry for my country , and for the PEV victims.

Because we might have to go the Local tribunal way or even a TJRC ( not very sure ). Sad. Sad. Sad. Very sad.


For what its worth, its not like they will make a couple of court appearances then get convicted or acquitted immediately afterwards.

For them to take the honours and be on that unique list there has to be something against them. Something they will be asked to disprove. But as the prosecutor said, this will not be discussed in the media. It will be a long time before judgment will be made. Enough time for teach those with nia kama hiyo to ease off.

I look forward to relative peace and hopefully less politics during this time.

As Kenyan Kop rightly puts it, ICC is just one of the options available. It is the only one that is revving and ready to grind.

Until the other options are up to speed, it behooves us to move with what we have, instead of wishing.
McReggae
#32 Posted : Tuesday, February 22, 2011 3:02:55 PM
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simonkabz wrote:
Sorry 2miles,ICC rattled a snake n its now taking serious bites! Like kadonye has put it, its only gud 4 SCARING lords of war.


Where you guys guys get this notion that ICC is desperate, I don't know!!!!
..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
Rahatupu
#33 Posted : Tuesday, February 22, 2011 3:35:27 PM
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masukuma wrote:
@Robinhood, let me educate you about Kenya has the highest human development index in the whole of Eastern Africa. It has the second largest economy. It has undergone a long period of peace, It is an sports giant e.t.c.
Comparing this country to the likes of sierra leone, Liberia, Sudan and Congo is the biggest insult you would do to yourself.
Remember that if a local process fails - we could still send them to the Hague!!!
Whats the worst ICC can do? It cannot hang this people if found guilty, we can!! we can place this people in stinky kenyan cells, at the ICC they will have tv, nice cells, gym time in some european jail - remember that the ICC process has not gone thru the first stage. it may not even make it to the pretrial chamber!!!


@Masukuma na Robi.... What are you telling us? Ati we try the local tribunal first then go to Hague later? Isn't that what we have already done? How many people have been prosecuted for the killings, rape, arson? @Robinhood, we may not yet be where Liberia, Sierra Leone and Sudan are but remember they did not just find themselves there they slid like we are doing slowly but surely. Liberia was the envy of West Africa in the 1970s and 1980s, its Free Port (the Free Port of Liberia) was then what Dubai is today.

If we don't banish impunity today, our children will pay for the sins of their fathers oh and mothers. I support ICC as the only realistic way of fighting impunity in our judicial system period.
TAZ
#34 Posted : Tuesday, February 22, 2011 4:10:19 PM
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Rahatupu wrote:
masukuma wrote:
@Robinhood, let me educate you about Kenya has the highest human development index in the whole of Eastern Africa. It has the second largest economy. It has undergone a long period of peace, It is an sports giant e.t.c.
Comparing this country to the likes of sierra leone, Liberia, Sudan and Congo is the biggest insult you would do to yourself.
Remember that if a local process fails - we could still send them to the Hague!!!
Whats the worst ICC can do? It cannot hang this people if found guilty, we can!! we can place this people in stinky kenyan cells, at the ICC they will have tv, nice cells, gym time in some european jail - remember that the ICC process has not gone thru the first stage. it may not even make it to the pretrial chamber!!!


@Masukuma na Robi.... What are you telling us? Ati we try the local tribunal first then go to Hague later? Isn't that what we have already done? How many people have been prosecuted for the killings, rape, arson? @Robinhood, we may not yet be where Liberia, Sierra Leone and Sudan are but remember they did not just find themselves there they slid like we are doing slowly but surely. Liberia was the envy of West Africa in the 1970s and 1980s, its Free Port (the Free Port of Liberia) was then what Dubai is today.

If we don't banish impunity today, our children will pay for the sins of their fathers oh and mothers. I support ICC as the only realistic way of fighting impunity in our judicial system period.


I totally agree with you but what do we do with the other politicians (not civilians) who were named in the Waki list of shame?
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