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US Elections, Hillary or Trump?
sitaki.kujulikana
#761 Posted : Monday, November 07, 2016 7:04:59 PM
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Ash Ock wrote:
sitaki.kujulikana wrote:
let me ignore the matusi part, its uncalled for, inappropriate, unjustified, unsolicited, unprovoked and not welcome at all

so is that briefcase (the football) should have some wireless connectivity to all the american nuclear centers silos, I thought congress has to pass some stuff for the president to activate that, and even in that case I assume there exists a mechanism on every launchpad for the technicians huko to fire the thing, its not like after the president keys in the code the missiles get fired.

I just don't get why they use the nuclear weapon codes to bash a presidential candidate, its not like the president will stumble in his sleep go to the 'football' key in the codes and the whole world comes to an end


It would take an Intercontinental Ballistic Missile (ICBM) around 30 minutes from launch in Russia to reach the USA. There would be no time to hold meetings. Once the president gets confirmation that the ICBM's are in the air (just after launch), he has less than 30 minutes to react.

Ever heard of MAD (Mutually Assured Destruction)? That's where it came from, the US or the former Soviet Union wuld have no time to either protect themselves from the incoming ICBM's or to intercept them (Reagan came up with a space based deterrent but the sheer scale of missiles able to be launched put that to rest). So the only thing left for US president, with the concurrence of his handpicked Secretary of Defense , besides being obliterated in less than 30 minutes, is to also obliterate the enemy. MAD, eh?

Here's an interesting story:

Quote:
There's no question the president now has just as much authority as he had then. You should read then-Vice President's Dick Cheney's declaration about the president's unchallengeable power to launch nuclear missiles whenever he sees fit.

Here's what Cheney told Fox News: "The president of the United State is now, for 50 years, is followed at all times, 24 hours a day, by a military aide carrying a 'football' that contains the nuclear codes that he would use and be authorized to use in the event of a nuclear attack on the United States. He could launch a kind of devastating attack the world's never seen. He doesn't have to check with anybody. He doesn't have to call the Congress. He doesn't have to check with the courts. He has that authority because of the nature of the world we live in."

There was a fascinating debate among constitutional law specialists on the Volokh Conspiracy blog following the Cheney statement, and, alas, from my reading of the cases cited, there was no definitive judicial limit to his power as commander in chief to avow he had no time to consult Congress for a declaration of war. No one could come up with a definitive constitutional refutation of this. If a president said he had intelligence of an imminent nuclear attack there was no provision requiring him to prove it to anyone else. Congress couldn't defund a missile once in flight. (Well, it could, but lawmakers would have better things to do at that point—i.e., run for the hills.)

In other words, what Richard Nixon said still holds true: Any president could, on his own, leave a room, and in 25 minutes, 70 million (or more than that) would be dead. Not likely but in the new, more unstable, multi-polar nuclear age we've entered, Maj. Hering's question about the instability or sanity of the president himself remains valid, as does the larger sanity question: Can any order to kill 20 million with the twist of a wrist be sane?

http://www.slate.com/art...nuclear_age.single.html


Now imagine that kind of firepower at Trump's little fingers...until someone pisses off. Trump, whose campaign had to take away his twitter account, like a small misbehaving child.


not sure about their laws, but I don't believe that they have all their nuclear arsenal networked and the president by entering some code can fire all those bombs, I have always thought (might be wrong) that its just another story the americans sell to make their president a 'starring', they are not stupid to connect all the nuclear arsenal to some central lauching system where only one person can initiate that, mimi I think each and every nuclear war head is under control of some army guy, who has the codes or the procedure for initiating the same, so at the end of the day those technical guys incharge are the ones who need to be sane, not the president.
Ash Ock
#762 Posted : Monday, November 07, 2016 7:25:09 PM
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sitaki.kujulikana wrote:
not sure about their laws, but I don't believe that they have all their nuclear arsenal networked and the president by entering some code can fire all those bombs, I have always thought (might be wrong) that its just another story the americans sell to make their president a 'starring', they are not stupid to connect all the nuclear arsenal to some central lauching system where only one person can initiate that, mimi I think each and every nuclear war head is under control of some army guy, who has the codes or the procedure for initiating the same, so at the end of the day those technical guys incharge are the ones who need to be sane, not the president.


I suggest you read the full article I extracted from: http://www.slate.com/art..._nuclear_age.single.html
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sitaki.kujulikana
#763 Posted : Monday, November 07, 2016 7:41:52 PM
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Ash Ock wrote:
sitaki.kujulikana wrote:
not sure about their laws, but I don't believe that they have all their nuclear arsenal networked and the president by entering some code can fire all those bombs, I have always thought (might be wrong) that its just another story the americans sell to make their president a 'starring', they are not stupid to connect all the nuclear arsenal to some central lauching system where only one person can initiate that, mimi I think each and every nuclear war head is under control of some army guy, who has the codes or the procedure for initiating the same, so at the end of the day those technical guys incharge are the ones who need to be sane, not the president.


I suggest you read the full article I extracted from: http://www.slate.com/art...nuclear_age.single.html


nimesoma, thats why I am skeptical about the president who fires nuclear weapons, first of all the codes to fire the warheads are with some techincal guys huko kwa silos, and each stockpile has its firing process and people and at the end of the day its up to them to fire the missiles not the president, so even if trump was president, he can not just wake up one day and decide to clear out the whole world, as its often put by the liberals and those who act liberal smile

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How can any missile crewman know that an order to twist his launch key in its slot and send a thermonuclear missile rocketing out of its silo—a nuke capable of killing millions of civilians—is lawful, legitimate, and comes from a sane president?


Quote:

Bruce Blair (then a missile crewman himself, a wing commander in charge of 200 minuteman missiles, and now the head of the nuclear abolitionist Global Zero Initiative) discloses in my book that he had figured out a way to launch all 200 of his "birds" without authorization. Good thing he's a very stable guy.


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To which Maj. Hering replied, in an interview, "I have to say, I feel I do have a need to know, because I am a human being." Yes!

"It is inherent in an officer's commission that he has to do what is right in terms of the needs of the nation despite any orders to the contrary," he went on. "You really don't know at the time of key turning, whether you are complying with your oath of office."
hardwood
#764 Posted : Monday, November 07, 2016 7:55:55 PM
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Wanjiku , both in Kenya and the US, is known to be jealous of billionaires like Trump. So the hate here and abroad is quite understandable.

One has to be extremely sharp in this world to become a dolllar billionaire like Trump. Therefore its not Trump that is dumb, rather its wanjiku (including @masukumawiki, harrydre, alma etc) that is dumb and that is why she isn't a billionaire like Mr. Trump.

Also, the world needs to be led by successful people, people who have already proven themselves. Not beggars who are always kneeling in front of their corporate benefactors. We shouldnt have a puppet in the White house who will be controlled and be at the mercy of the puppeteers (donors/lobbysts). We need a self made man in the White house. Then his success will radiate to the rest of the world.
Ash Ock
#765 Posted : Monday, November 07, 2016 8:31:07 PM
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hardwood wrote:
Wanjiku , both in Kenya and the US, is known to be jealous of billionaires like Trump. So the hate here and abroad is quite understandable.

One has to be extremely sharp in this world to become a dolllar billionaire like Trump. Therefore its not Trump that is dumb, rather its wanjiku (including @masukumawiki, harrydre, alma etc) that is dumb and that is why she isn't a billionaire like Mr. Trump.

Also, the world needs to be led by successful people, people who have already proven themselves. Not beggars who are always kneeling in front of their corporate benefactors. We shouldnt have a puppet in the White house who will be controlled and be at the mercy of the puppeteers (donors/lobbysts). We need a self made man in the White house. Then his success will radiate to the rest of the world.


Heehee.

You're quite amusing.

Here's The Führer Donald straight up lying to your face and you can't even see it:



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Ash Ock
#766 Posted : Monday, November 07, 2016 8:44:15 PM
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sitaki.kujulikana wrote:
Ash Ock wrote:
sitaki.kujulikana wrote:
not sure about their laws, but I don't believe that they have all their nuclear arsenal networked and the president by entering some code can fire all those bombs, I have always thought (might be wrong) that its just another story the americans sell to make their president a 'starring', they are not stupid to connect all the nuclear arsenal to some central lauching system where only one person can initiate that, mimi I think each and every nuclear war head is under control of some army guy, who has the codes or the procedure for initiating the same, so at the end of the day those technical guys incharge are the ones who need to be sane, not the president.


I suggest you read the full article I extracted from: http://www.slate.com/art...nuclear_age.single.html


nimesoma, thats why I am skeptical about the president who fires nuclear weapons, first of all the codes to fire the warheads are with some techincal guys huko kwa silos, and each stockpile has its firing process and people and at the end of the day its up to them to fire the missiles not the president, so even if trump was president, he can not just wake up one day and decide to clear out the whole world, as its often put by the liberals and those who act liberal smile

Quote:

How can any missile crewman know that an order to twist his launch key in its slot and send a thermonuclear missile rocketing out of its silo—a nuke capable of killing millions of civilians—is lawful, legitimate, and comes from a sane president?


Quote:

Bruce Blair (then a missile crewman himself, a wing commander in charge of 200 minuteman missiles, and now the head of the nuclear abolitionist Global Zero Initiative) discloses in my book that he had figured out a way to launch all 200 of his "birds" without authorization. Good thing he's a very stable guy.


Quote:

To which Maj. Hering replied, in an interview, "I have to say, I feel I do have a need to know, because I am a human being." Yes!

"It is inherent in an officer's commission that he has to do what is right in terms of the needs of the nation despite any orders to the contrary," he went on. "You really don't know at the time of key turning, whether you are complying with your oath of office."


There's an oldish movie from 1995 called Crimson Tide with Denzel Washington and Gene Hackman. It narrates the story of the captain (Hackman) and his first officer (Washington) mutinying aboard a nuclear missile submarine 'cause they disagree on whether the launch message is authentic or not.

OK, Hollywood as usual took liberties with reality but the point is this, in real life, once the first officer refuses to concur with the captain, no launch would take place.

That's why the US president has so much power. They don't have an initial check (his Sec Def doesn't count as s/he's handpicked by the president), which Trump, should he win (shudder), would control.

Let me grant you this; there could be chance they're BSing on exactly how the missiles are launched, to keep Putin on his toes. It's very possible.
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masukuma
#767 Posted : Monday, November 07, 2016 8:48:24 PM
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The US president can start a war... he just has to report to congress before 90 days are done.... 90 days ni mingi! there is a reason he/she is called the commander in chief
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#768 Posted : Monday, November 07, 2016 8:54:56 PM
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Are you guys eligible US voters or you're all getting emotional for nothing?

But.....Even though I do not like Trump, I would wish him to become POTUS due to my selfish personal reasons!
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#769 Posted : Monday, November 07, 2016 8:57:09 PM
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Swenani wrote:
Are you guys eligible US voters or you're all getting emotional for nothing?

But.....Even though I do not like Trump, I would wish him to become POTUS due to my selfish personal reasons!

smile
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masukuma
#770 Posted : Monday, November 07, 2016 9:12:29 PM
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Swenani wrote:
Are you guys eligible US voters or you're all getting emotional for nothing?

But.....Even though I do not like Trump, I would wish him to become POTUS due to my selfish personal reasons!

Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly hebu uliza watu! they take things personally and name call everyone else.
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Ash Ock
#771 Posted : Monday, November 07, 2016 9:35:44 PM
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Swenani wrote:
Are you guys eligible US voters or you're all getting emotional for nothing?

But.....Even though I do not like Trump, I would wish him to become POTUS due to my selfish personal reasons!


Yes.

But even if I wasn't, watching a bumbling unhinged downstairs neighbor playing with a live bomb would cause anyone who's sane to speak out, just like our neighbors did in 2008 when we were happily chopping each other to bits.
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harrydre
#772 Posted : Monday, November 07, 2016 9:40:44 PM
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Impunity wrote:
Ash Ock wrote:
sitaki.kujulikana wrote:
masukuma wrote:
Ati Trump alinyangnywa Twitter na watu wake? (not so fast @hardwood.. the ones you retweet are from his team there is an analysis that was done and it was seen that he tweets visceral tweets from an Android phone and the more hinged tweets are from an iphone).

Obama made these comments...
"Apparently his campaign has taken away his Twitter," Obama said during a Florida rally for Hillary Clinton, to laughs.

"In the last two days, they had so little confidence in his self control, they said: 'We're just going to take away your Twitter.' Now, if somebody cant handle a Twitter account, they can't handle the nuclear code," Obama continued.

"If somebody starts tweeting at three in the morning because SNL made fun of you, then you can't handle the nuclear codes."

are the nuclear war heads actually controlled by some codes in the possession of the president, is it like he can wake up one day and decide to key in those codes into some enigma like machines and the bombs just fire.


Short answer: yes, nobody wants a slow complicated response time if Putin ever gets trigger happy. The system was set up during the cold war. The suitcase (called the "football") is carried by a military officer near the president 24/7.


The nukes (most) as I know ziko huko Nevada desert...now in 1945 we didnt have wireless devives which could detonate by remote, the nukes.

Now by POTUS entering the codes in some nondescript suitcase, how will that deploy the nukes?
Si lazima mtu apigiwe simu huko Nevada ndio afinyilie hizo tu-buttons after the president has ordered so?

I am yet to understand this nuclear code hullabaloo of the US president!

By the way the nukes control system are so archaic that when compared to your average Greatwall tv remote control you will be shocked (its all mechanical controls, wires, gyros and spring loaded timers etal)...@masukuma can confirm this with figures and facts.

In fact the US lawmakers recently raised a special bill in the house to provide funds to modernize the nuke's control and monitorng system.

The nukes basic design have largely not changed since the days of the cold war.



Too many movies..ati briefcase? Ngai! lol. The Most powerful man with the ability to fire the nukes with express permission from POTUS is the Head of the U.S. Strategic Command currently a dude by the name Cecil Haney. Look for a CBS 60 minutes video titled "The New Cold War" to understand the process.

http://www.cbsnews.com/n...r-weapons-david-martin/


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enyands
#773 Posted : Monday, November 07, 2016 9:59:26 PM
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masukuma wrote:
Swenani wrote:
Are you guys eligible US voters or you're all getting emotional for nothing?

But.....Even though I do not like Trump, I would wish him to become POTUS due to my selfish personal reasons!

Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly hebu uliza watu! they take things personally and name call everyone else.



Yeah like the mouraythee guy,and the other one I forgot .hardwood is reasonable with no insults .but the other two are on something else
Ash Ock
#774 Posted : Monday, November 07, 2016 10:01:31 PM
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harrydre wrote:
Impunity wrote:
Ash Ock wrote:
sitaki.kujulikana wrote:
masukuma wrote:
Ati Trump alinyangnywa Twitter na watu wake? (not so fast @hardwood.. the ones you retweet are from his team there is an analysis that was done and it was seen that he tweets visceral tweets from an Android phone and the more hinged tweets are from an iphone).

Obama made these comments...
"Apparently his campaign has taken away his Twitter," Obama said during a Florida rally for Hillary Clinton, to laughs.

"In the last two days, they had so little confidence in his self control, they said: 'We're just going to take away your Twitter.' Now, if somebody cant handle a Twitter account, they can't handle the nuclear code," Obama continued.

"If somebody starts tweeting at three in the morning because SNL made fun of you, then you can't handle the nuclear codes."

are the nuclear war heads actually controlled by some codes in the possession of the president, is it like he can wake up one day and decide to key in those codes into some enigma like machines and the bombs just fire.


Short answer: yes, nobody wants a slow complicated response time if Putin ever gets trigger happy. The system was set up during the cold war. The suitcase (called the "football") is carried by a military officer near the president 24/7.


The nukes (most) as I know ziko huko Nevada desert...now in 1945 we didnt have wireless devives which could detonate by remote, the nukes.

Now by POTUS entering the codes in some nondescript suitcase, how will that deploy the nukes?
Si lazima mtu apigiwe simu huko Nevada ndio afinyilie hizo tu-buttons after the president has ordered so?

I am yet to understand this nuclear code hullabaloo of the US president!

By the way the nukes control system are so archaic that when compared to your average Greatwall tv remote control you will be shocked (its all mechanical controls, wires, gyros and spring loaded timers etal)...@masukuma can confirm this with figures and facts.

In fact the US lawmakers recently raised a special bill in the house to provide funds to modernize the nuke's control and monitorng system.

The nukes basic design have largely not changed since the days of the cold war.



Too many movies..ati briefcase? Ngai! lol. The Most powerful man with the ability to fire the nukes with express permission from POTUS is the Head of the U.S. Strategic Command currently a dude by the name Cecil Haney. Look for a CBS 60 minutes video titled "The New Cold War" to understand the process.

http://www.cbsnews.com/n...r-weapons-david-martin/


So how does he get the express permission from the POTUS? Smoke signals?

From the Smithsonian National Museum of American History, the nuclear "Football.": The Real Story of the "Football" That Follows the President Everywhere

Quote:
It is the closest modern-day equivalent of the medieval crown and scepter—a symbol of supreme authority. Accompanying the commander in chief wherever he goes, the innocuous-looking briefcase is touted in movies and spy novels as the ultimate power accessory, a doomsday machine that could destroy the entire world.

Officially known as the “president’s emergency satchel,” the so-called nuclear “Football”—portable and hand-carried—is built around a sturdy aluminum frame, encased in black leather. A retired Football, emptied of its top-secret inner contents, is currently on display at the Smithsonian National Museum of American History. “We were looking for something that would demonstrate the incredible military power and responsibilities of the president, and we struck upon this iconic object,” says curator Harry Rubenstein.

Contrary to popular belief, the Football does not actually contain a big red button for launching a nuclear war. Its primary purpose is to confirm the president’s identity, and it allows him to communicate with the National Military Command Center in the Pentagon, which monitors worldwide nuclear threats and can order an instant response. The Football also provides the commander in chief with a simplified menu of nuclear strike options—allowing him to decide, for example, whether to destroy all of America’s enemies in one fell swoop or to limit himself to obliterating only Moscow or Pyongyang or Beijing.

Although its origins remain highly classified, the Football can be traced back to the 1962 Cuban missile crisis. Privately, John F. Kennedy believed that nuclear weapons were, as he put it, “only good for deterring.” He also felt it was “insane that two men, sitting on opposite sides of the world, should be able to decide to bring an end to civilization.” Horrified by the doctrine known as MAD (mutually assured destruction), JFK ordered locks to be placed on nuclear weapons and demanded alternatives to the “all or nothing” nuclear war plan.

A declassified Kennedy memo documents the concerns that led to the invention of the Football as a system for verifying the identity of the commander in chief. The president posed the following chilling, but commonsense, questions:

“What would I say to the Joint War Room to launch an immediate nuclear strike?”

“How would the person who received my instructions verify them?”

According to former Secretary of Defense Robert S. McNamara, the Football acquired its name from an early nuclear war plan code-named “Dropkick.” (“Dropkick” needed a “football” in order to be put into effect.) The earliest known photograph of a military aide trailing the president with the telltale black briefcase (a modified version of a standard Zero-Halliburton model) was taken on May 10, 1963, at the Kennedy family compound in Hyannis Port, Massachusetts. Since 1963, the Football has become a staple of presidential trips, and was even photographed in Red Square in May 1988, accompanying President Ronald Reagan on a state visit to the Soviet Union. (Reagan’s Soviet counterpart, Mikhail Gorbachev, was accompanied by a military aide who was clutching a very similar device, known in Russian as the chemodanchik, or “little briefcase.”)

A recurring complaint of presidents and military aides alike has been that the Football, which currently weighs around 45 pounds, contains too much documentation. President Jimmy Carter, who had qualified as a nuclear submarine commander, was aware that he would have only a few minutes to decide how to respond to a nuclear strike against the United States. Carter ordered that the war plans be drastically simplified. A former military aide to President Bill Clinton, Col. Buzz Patterson, would later describe the resulting pared-down set of choices as akin to a “Denny’s breakfast menu.” “It’s like picking one out of Column A and two out of Column B,” he told the History Channel.

The first unclassified reference to the existence of the Football is contained in a formerly top-secret memorandum from 1965 obtained by the National Security Archive of George Washington University. Tasked with reducing the weight of the Football, a senior defense official agreed this was a worthy goal, but added, “I am sure we can find strong couriers who are capable of carrying an additional pound or two of paper.”

For the Football to function as designed, the military aide must be nearby the commander in chief at all times and the president must be in possession of his authentication codes. Both elements of the system have failed on occasion. According to the former chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Gen. Hugh Shelton, Clinton mislaid his laminated code card, nicknamed the “Biscuit,” for several months in 2000. “This is a big deal, a gargantuan deal,” the general complained in his 2010 autobiography, Without Hesitation: The Odyssey of an American Warrior.

An even closer brush with disaster came during the attempted assassination of Reagan in March 1981. During the chaos that followed the shooting, the military aide was separated from the president, and did not accompany him to the George Washington University hospital. In the moments before Reagan was wheeled into the operating theater, he was stripped of his clothes and other possessions. The Biscuit was later found abandoned, unceremoniously dumped in a hospital plastic bag. It seems unlikely that a crown or scepter would have been treated so cavalierly.
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harrydre
#775 Posted : Monday, November 07, 2016 10:03:58 PM
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Ash Ock wrote:
harrydre wrote:
Impunity wrote:
Ash Ock wrote:
sitaki.kujulikana wrote:
masukuma wrote:
Ati Trump alinyangnywa Twitter na watu wake? (not so fast @hardwood.. the ones you retweet are from his team there is an analysis that was done and it was seen that he tweets visceral tweets from an Android phone and the more hinged tweets are from an iphone).

Obama made these comments...
"Apparently his campaign has taken away his Twitter," Obama said during a Florida rally for Hillary Clinton, to laughs.

"In the last two days, they had so little confidence in his self control, they said: 'We're just going to take away your Twitter.' Now, if somebody cant handle a Twitter account, they can't handle the nuclear code," Obama continued.

"If somebody starts tweeting at three in the morning because SNL made fun of you, then you can't handle the nuclear codes."

are the nuclear war heads actually controlled by some codes in the possession of the president, is it like he can wake up one day and decide to key in those codes into some enigma like machines and the bombs just fire.


Short answer: yes, nobody wants a slow complicated response time if Putin ever gets trigger happy. The system was set up during the cold war. The suitcase (called the "football") is carried by a military officer near the president 24/7.


The nukes (most) as I know ziko huko Nevada desert...now in 1945 we didnt have wireless devives which could detonate by remote, the nukes.

Now by POTUS entering the codes in some nondescript suitcase, how will that deploy the nukes?
Si lazima mtu apigiwe simu huko Nevada ndio afinyilie hizo tu-buttons after the president has ordered so?

I am yet to understand this nuclear code hullabaloo of the US president!

By the way the nukes control system are so archaic that when compared to your average Greatwall tv remote control you will be shocked (its all mechanical controls, wires, gyros and spring loaded timers etal)...@masukuma can confirm this with figures and facts.

In fact the US lawmakers recently raised a special bill in the house to provide funds to modernize the nuke's control and monitorng system.

The nukes basic design have largely not changed since the days of the cold war.



Too many movies..ati briefcase? Ngai! lol. The Most powerful man with the ability to fire the nukes with express permission from POTUS is the Head of the U.S. Strategic Command currently a dude by the name Cecil Haney. Look for a CBS 60 minutes video titled "The New Cold War" to understand the process.

http://www.cbsnews.com/n...r-weapons-david-martin/


So how does he get the express permission from the POTUS? Smoke signals?

From the Smithsonian National Museum of American History, the nuclear "Football.": The Real Story of the "Football" That Follows the President Everywhere

Quote:
It is the closest modern-day equivalent of the medieval crown and scepter—a symbol of supreme authority. Accompanying the commander in chief wherever he goes, the innocuous-looking briefcase is touted in movies and spy novels as the ultimate power accessory, a doomsday machine that could destroy the entire world.

Officially known as the “president’s emergency satchel,” the so-called nuclear “Football”—portable and hand-carried—is built around a sturdy aluminum frame, encased in black leather. A retired Football, emptied of its top-secret inner contents, is currently on display at the Smithsonian National Museum of American History. “We were looking for something that would demonstrate the incredible military power and responsibilities of the president, and we struck upon this iconic object,” says curator Harry Rubenstein.

Contrary to popular belief, the Football does not actually contain a big red button for launching a nuclear war. Its primary purpose is to confirm the president’s identity, and it allows him to communicate with the National Military Command Center in the Pentagon, which monitors worldwide nuclear threats and can order an instant response. The Football also provides the commander in chief with a simplified menu of nuclear strike options—allowing him to decide, for example, whether to destroy all of America’s enemies in one fell swoop or to limit himself to obliterating only Moscow or Pyongyang or Beijing.

Although its origins remain highly classified, the Football can be traced back to the 1962 Cuban missile crisis. Privately, John F. Kennedy believed that nuclear weapons were, as he put it, “only good for deterring.” He also felt it was “insane that two men, sitting on opposite sides of the world, should be able to decide to bring an end to civilization.” Horrified by the doctrine known as MAD (mutually assured destruction), JFK ordered locks to be placed on nuclear weapons and demanded alternatives to the “all or nothing” nuclear war plan.

A declassified Kennedy memo documents the concerns that led to the invention of the Football as a system for verifying the identity of the commander in chief. The president posed the following chilling, but commonsense, questions:

“What would I say to the Joint War Room to launch an immediate nuclear strike?”

“How would the person who received my instructions verify them?”

According to former Secretary of Defense Robert S. McNamara, the Football acquired its name from an early nuclear war plan code-named “Dropkick.” (“Dropkick” needed a “football” in order to be put into effect.) The earliest known photograph of a military aide trailing the president with the telltale black briefcase (a modified version of a standard Zero-Halliburton model) was taken on May 10, 1963, at the Kennedy family compound in Hyannis Port, Massachusetts. Since 1963, the Football has become a staple of presidential trips, and was even photographed in Red Square in May 1988, accompanying President Ronald Reagan on a state visit to the Soviet Union. (Reagan’s Soviet counterpart, Mikhail Gorbachev, was accompanied by a military aide who was clutching a very similar device, known in Russian as the chemodanchik, or “little briefcase.”)

A recurring complaint of presidents and military aides alike has been that the Football, which currently weighs around 45 pounds, contains too much documentation. President Jimmy Carter, who had qualified as a nuclear submarine commander, was aware that he would have only a few minutes to decide how to respond to a nuclear strike against the United States. Carter ordered that the war plans be drastically simplified. A former military aide to President Bill Clinton, Col. Buzz Patterson, would later describe the resulting pared-down set of choices as akin to a “Denny’s breakfast menu.” “It’s like picking one out of Column A and two out of Column B,” he told the History Channel.

The first unclassified reference to the existence of the Football is contained in a formerly top-secret memorandum from 1965 obtained by the National Security Archive of George Washington University. Tasked with reducing the weight of the Football, a senior defense official agreed this was a worthy goal, but added, “I am sure we can find strong couriers who are capable of carrying an additional pound or two of paper.”

For the Football to function as designed, the military aide must be nearby the commander in chief at all times and the president must be in possession of his authentication codes. Both elements of the system have failed on occasion. According to the former chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Gen. Hugh Shelton, Clinton mislaid his laminated code card, nicknamed the “Biscuit,” for several months in 2000. “This is a big deal, a gargantuan deal,” the general complained in his 2010 autobiography, Without Hesitation: The Odyssey of an American Warrior.

An even closer brush with disaster came during the attempted assassination of Reagan in March 1981. During the chaos that followed the shooting, the military aide was separated from the president, and did not accompany him to the George Washington University hospital. In the moments before Reagan was wheeled into the operating theater, he was stripped of his clothes and other possessions. The Biscuit was later found abandoned, unceremoniously dumped in a hospital plastic bag. It seems unlikely that a crown or scepter would have been treated so cavalierly.


That probably has the Nuclear Decision Handbook and a direct phone line to the command base. But then again, that's a top secret device so who really knows?

Tena, if one of the 3 guys with the 'keys' decides not to launch even with the president's command, nothing would happen.
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#776 Posted : Monday, November 07, 2016 10:09:19 PM
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Ok data time

early voting in FL has passed 2000 entire election
30% of hispanics have never voted before
Blacks turned out in larger numbers than obama

Nevada Clinton already 13 pts or over 70,000 votes ahead

Someone is going to be surprised kesho mapema sana. It's either a whitewash for Clinton or one of the closest races in history in those two states.

Trump in Michigan
If he loses Michigan and loses North Carolina and FL, he would have been the stupidest man to run an election campaign.

If he wins all three, I'll give him a lot of props

Hopefully he just didn't fall for a headfake from the Clinton machine. I don't see those Somalis in Dearborn voting for him. But what do I know, hardwood would.

Anyway, wacha tulale

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#777 Posted : Monday, November 07, 2016 10:12:03 PM
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enyands wrote:
masukuma wrote:
Swenani wrote:
Are you guys eligible US voters or you're all getting emotional for nothing?

But.....Even though I do not like Trump, I would wish him to become POTUS due to my selfish personal reasons!

Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly hebu uliza watu! they take things personally and name call everyone else.



Yeah like the mouraythee guy,and the other one I forgot .hardwood is reasonable with no insults .but the other two are on something else

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harrydre
#778 Posted : Monday, November 07, 2016 11:12:43 PM
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alma1 wrote:
Ok data time

early voting in FL has passed 2000 entire election
30% of hispanics have never voted before
Blacks turned out in larger numbers than obama

Nevada Clinton already 13 pts or over 70,000 votes ahead

Someone is going to be surprised kesho mapema sana. It's either a whitewash for Clinton or one of the closest races in history in those two states.

Trump in Michigan
If he loses Michigan and loses North Carolina and FL, he would have been the stupidest man to run an election campaign.

If he wins all three, I'll give him a lot of props

Hopefully he just didn't fall for a headfake from the Clinton machine. I don't see those Somalis in Dearborn voting for him. But what do I know, hardwood would.

Anyway, wacha tulale

History shall be made tommorow. Either the end of the world as we know it with Brexit in tow. Or the first woman president.


Weka source before ulale.
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murchr
#779 Posted : Monday, November 07, 2016 11:26:07 PM
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Joined: 2/26/2012
Posts: 15,980
alma1 wrote:
Ok data time

early voting in FL has passed 2000 entire election
30% of hispanics have never voted before
Blacks turned out in larger numbers than obama

Nevada Clinton already 13 pts or over 70,000 votes ahead

Someone is going to be surprised kesho mapema sana. It's either a whitewash for Clinton or one of the closest races in history in those two states.

Trump in Michigan
If he loses Michigan and loses North Carolina and FL, he would have been the stupidest man to run an election campaign.

If he wins all three, I'll give him a lot of props

Hopefully he just didn't fall for a headfake from the Clinton machine. I don't see those Somalis in Dearborn voting for him. But what do I know, hardwood would.

Anyway, wacha tulale

History shall be made tommorow. Either the end of the world as we know it with Brexit in tow. Or the first woman president.


Apart from that CNN reports kesho it will be raining cats in mid west, the Ohio River Valley and down to the Southeast. Those are known Redneck states. Clinton is playing the tyranny of numbers card
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masukuma
#780 Posted : Monday, November 07, 2016 11:53:14 PM
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this is my suspicion... the so called 'silent majority' does not exist. I could be wrong but here are my reasons
1) in 2008 we were told about the Bradley effect. it didn't show up.
2) who is this that is sure about their existence if they are unwilling to show up in the public? I understand that two people can vote for the same candidate for different reasons. I remember in 2010 akina Mbadi were saying their "Yes" is not the same as akina Michuki's "Yes". sso it's possible but I am wondering what profile they fit in. The Nasties have congregated. The evangelicals have congregated and I heard that Trump aliOkoka ;-d. So I am wondering which profile they would fit.
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