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kaka2za wrote:murchr wrote:alma1 wrote:Wakanyugi wrote:murchr wrote:A new one from Narok
These idiots are always about giving more money to one lot or the other. Nauliza aje? Hiyo pesa itatoka wapi? Will it grow on trees? The vacuity of some of our so called leaders is simply overwhelming. Anyway, the responses are simply priceless. Let them add it to that final document. We shall all reject it before 7am. Politicians are very weird people I have to say. You get an opportunity to do the right thing and all you can think of is regional gov't. Wacha wailete tu. We shall be waiting for it. Mara hii tukiwa na Moses Kuria. Ala?! Ume vuka sakafu? Mimi hata sijui hio sakafu iko wapi! What exactly are we opposing or supporting. Its either you are supporting the document as it is being presented or you are not. Just like the ndizi vs chungwa question in 2005 "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Elder Joined: 11/25/2011 Posts: 2,103 Location: Nrb
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alma1 wrote:Wakanyugi wrote:murchr wrote:A new one from Narok
These idiots are always about giving more money to one lot or the other. Nauliza aje? Hiyo pesa itatoka wapi? Will it grow on trees? The vacuity of some of our so called leaders is simply overwhelming. Anyway, the responses are simply priceless. Let them add it to that final document. We shall all reject it before 7am. Politicians are very weird people I have to say. You get an opportunity to do the right thing and all you can think of is regional gov't. Wacha wailete tu. We shall be waiting for it. Mara hii tukiwa na Moses Kuria. @alma, we told you kuna BBI2, ukasema its in the head of Ruto and Itumbi Ndio hii sasa, it is coming to hit tax payers HARD. You see Kalonzo pia has a proposal to remove the term limit of governors? I didn't have any issue with BBI1, it was a harmless document, bordering on being useless after spending billions on it. I am happy
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/19/2015 Posts: 2,871 Location: hapo
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Amores wrote:alma1 wrote:Wakanyugi wrote:murchr wrote:A new one from Narok
These idiots are always about giving more money to one lot or the other. Nauliza aje? Hiyo pesa itatoka wapi? Will it grow on trees? The vacuity of some of our so called leaders is simply overwhelming. Anyway, the responses are simply priceless. Let them add it to that final document. We shall all reject it before 7am. Politicians are very weird people I have to say. You get an opportunity to do the right thing and all you can think of is regional gov't. Wacha wailete tu. We shall be waiting for it. Mara hii tukiwa na Moses Kuria. @alma, we told you kuna BBI2, ukasema its in the head of Ruto and Itumbi Ndio hii sasa, it is coming to hit tax payers HARD. You see Kalonzo pia has a proposal to remove the term limit of governors? I didn't have any issue with BBI1, it was a harmless document, bordering on being useless after spending billions on it. My point of view is a bit different from yours. I believe that there are those who oppose for the sake of opposing stuff. Aka kieweleke. I see nothing to be proud of doing that. I also believe that when the populace has an opportunity to make changes, they have a responsibility to do so with clean hands. I can assure you that the next time someone tries to touch this katiba will not be in our lifetimes. But have no doubt about it. If there is a hint of stupidity amongst these mpigs, I will be right here telling them so. Case in point, sijui regional gov'ts. Governors with no time limits etc Hiyo, let us all tell them waelewe, won't happen. Thieves are not good people. Tumeelewana?
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alma1 wrote:Amores wrote:alma1 wrote:Wakanyugi wrote:murchr wrote:A new one from Narok
These idiots are always about giving more money to one lot or the other. Nauliza aje? Hiyo pesa itatoka wapi? Will it grow on trees? The vacuity of some of our so called leaders is simply overwhelming. Anyway, the responses are simply priceless. Let them add it to that final document. We shall all reject it before 7am. Politicians are very weird people I have to say. You get an opportunity to do the right thing and all you can think of is regional gov't. Wacha wailete tu. We shall be waiting for it. Mara hii tukiwa na Moses Kuria. @alma, we told you kuna BBI2, ukasema its in the head of Ruto and Itumbi Ndio hii sasa, it is coming to hit tax payers HARD. You see Kalonzo pia has a proposal to remove the term limit of governors? I didn't have any issue with BBI1, it was a harmless document, bordering on being useless after spending billions on it. My point of view is a bit different from yours. I believe that there are those who oppose for the sake of opposing stuff. Aka kieweleke. I see nothing to be proud of doing that. I also believe that when the populace has an opportunity to make changes, they have a responsibility to do so with clean hands. I can assure you that the next time someone tries to touch this katiba will not be in our lifetimes. But have no doubt about it. If there is a hint of stupidity amongst these mpigs, I will be right here telling them so. Case in point, sijui regional gov'ts. Governors with no time limits etc Hiyo, let us all tell them waelewe, won't happen. In short WSR is being vindicated, he has a vision like that of Giraffe. He saw it coming or else he has moles in that BBI secretariat Life is an endless adventure
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Rank: Elder Joined: 11/25/2011 Posts: 2,103 Location: Nrb
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alma1 wrote:Amores wrote:alma1 wrote:Wakanyugi wrote:murchr wrote:A new one from Narok
These idiots are always about giving more money to one lot or the other. Nauliza aje? Hiyo pesa itatoka wapi? Will it grow on trees? The vacuity of some of our so called leaders is simply overwhelming. Anyway, the responses are simply priceless. Let them add it to that final document. We shall all reject it before 7am. Politicians are very weird people I have to say. You get an opportunity to do the right thing and all you can think of is regional gov't. Wacha wailete tu. We shall be waiting for it. Mara hii tukiwa na Moses Kuria. @alma, we told you kuna BBI2, ukasema its in the head of Ruto and Itumbi Ndio hii sasa, it is coming to hit tax payers HARD. You see Kalonzo pia has a proposal to remove the term limit of governors? I didn't have any issue with BBI1, it was a harmless document, bordering on being useless after spending billions on it. My point of view is a bit different from yours. I believe that there are those who oppose for the sake of opposing stuff. Aka kieweleke. I see nothing to be proud of doing that. I also believe that when the populace has an opportunity to make changes, they have a responsibility to do so with clean hands. I can assure you that the next time someone tries to touch this katiba will not be in our lifetimes. But have no doubt about it. If there is a hint of stupidity amongst these mpigs, I will be right here telling them so. Case in point, sijui regional gov'ts. Governors with no time limits etc Hiyo, let us all tell them waelewe, won't happen. Unfortunately @alma, the people have little control. But i saw on twitter ( I didn't see the clip though) when Atwoli started talking about UK being too young to retire,Kitui people booed him and told to sit the hell down. So maybe there is hope and Mwananchi will recognize and use their agency to call out BS. But these drums about regional governments started even before BBI was out. I posted the clip when during the governors conference,RAO talked about establishing regional government. Ruto came and challenged it saying that we cannot devolve upwards - I agree . I am happy
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https://www.nation.co.ke...432-137x58vz/index.html
Atleast from his utterances in US we now know what BBI is all about. NEW DEMOCRACY. A democracy where people do not want to retire but be accomodated in political chambers so that their clansmen dont fight. And this makes me want to vote for hustler a thousand times Life is an endless adventure
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Rank: Elder Joined: 11/25/2011 Posts: 2,103 Location: Nrb
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freiks wrote:https://www.nation.co.ke/news/Kenya-needs-new-democracy--Uhuru-tells-US-Audience-/1056-5445432-137x58vz/index.html
Atleast from his utterances in US we now know what BBI is all about. NEW DEMOCRACY. A democracy where people do not want to retire but be accomodated in political chambers so that their clansmen dont fight. And this makes me want to vote for hustler a thousand times This is unfortunate. If this was the objective, to bring anew form of democrazy,then it should have discussed outside the confines of BBI1 and even now BB12. To take a handshake between two people ( who spoke about stuff that we still do not know the details except through reading what their mouth pieces are saying) and use it carelessly to open the door to start talking about big changes in structure of government / constitution in order to promote " exclusivity" is in my view the highest form of impunity . If you ask the common Kenya today what they want , they will tell you it is access to basic service, not a PM , a deputy PM or another regional government. It is also laughable to hear the president say that his objective is to unite Kenyans, while he has allowed politicians and his handshake buddy to go around the country spewing divisive rhetoric and insults to those who are of a divergent opinion. What load of bollocks is this ? I am happy
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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Amores wrote:freiks wrote:https://www.nation.co.ke/news/Kenya-needs-new-democracy--Uhuru-tells-US-Audience-/1056-5445432-137x58vz/index.html
Atleast from his utterances in US we now know what BBI is all about. NEW DEMOCRACY. A democracy where people do not want to retire but be accomodated in political chambers so that their clansmen dont fight. And this makes me want to vote for hustler a thousand times This is unfortunate. If this was the objective, to bring anew form of democrazy,then it should have discussed outside the confines of BBI1 and even now BB12. To take a handshake between two people ( who spoke about stuff that we still do not know the details except through reading what their mouth pieces are saying) and use it carelessly to open the door to start talking about big changes in structure of government / constitution in order to promote " exclusivity" is in my view the highest form of impunity . If you ask the common Kenya today what they want , they will tell you it is access to basic service, not a PM , a deputy PM or another regional government. It is also laughable to hear the president say that his objective is to unite Kenyans, while he has allowed politicians and his handshake buddy to go around the country spewing divisive rhetoric and insults to those who are of a divergent opinion. What load of bollocks is this ? Am waiting for Judge Mativo's ruling in March. Kenyans should not be subjected to such a drastic change because of a conversation that ensued between an elected president and a "brother". Isn't it absurd that the only solution they could come up with is if someone loses an election, he needs to be handed a soft landing and not just do the honorable thing of just staying away till the next election? "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/9/2009 Posts: 6,592 Location: Nairobi
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Today, support for BBI has rewarded Sonko with access to his frozen bank accounts.
BBI will solve it :)
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Still, realpolitik will ensure that a handshake deal happens the BBI way. We need to remember how politics is run here. How many more people do we want to see killed while we cling to ideals that don't matter here? People have died, the economy is underperforming and is likely to keep such a trend. What real solutions can we come up with and ensure success?
Aukot tried: or I presume he did. What happened? Ask yourselves how we can seize opportunities rather than how ideal situations will be created for us. After all, isn't the President correct when he says that we need a new form of democracy?
We surely need a new form of democracy and let's stop sleeping and craft this BBI together with politicians! Let them take their piece, and Wanjiku aponyoke na yake!
Politics my friends is a dirty game because you have to improvise and there's no textbook. All you have is your ethic and technique.
The big question is: what is your interest? If you just want Kenya to be peaceful and you keep doing your business, good! Find out how these BBI's have to offer na tusonge mbele.
Ama sasa tuanze kuvutana na baba, na Njamba, na Khalwale... Some of us don't have such capital.
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