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mkenyan wrote:Swenani wrote:Ngalaka wrote:I am told at one point, justice Lenaola ruled on a similar matter as Miguna's regarding another litigant whereupon he asserted that - such a person would have to re-aply to get back their Kenyan citizenship.
If Miguna did that all this back and forth would end. Who told you? Post the orders here Search court cases here ngalaka is right. search for petition 586 of 2012 - bashir mohamed jama abdi vs minister for immigration...interesting case. several issues dealt with. should read it. HERE!! The Determination makes for good reading, beginning at 25. http://kenyalaw.org/caselaw/cases/view/95390/
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 10/8/2008 Posts: 1,575
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We have complained how people are now quoting laws and constitution. 'We' are not reading this  I care!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/3/2008 Posts: 4,057 Location: Gwitu
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The government is very unfair. Many kenyans would jump at the opportunity for a free ride to Dubai. Why are they forcing MM to go there? Si watupatie hiyo ticket? Truth forever on the scaffold
Wrong forever on the throne
(James Russell Rowell)
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 12/4/2009 Posts: 1,982 Location: matano manne
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In the fewest words by substituting Abdi with MM:
The above provisions are important because whereas the Petitioner has framed his Petition as if Abdi is entitle to citizenship jus sanguinis, that is not the legal position because he, voluntarily, applied for the citizenship of another County, (the United Kingdom) and thereby lost his Kenyan citizenship as a matter of law. He could only therefore regain it by the procedure above and not as a matter of right.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 12/4/2009 Posts: 1,982 Location: matano manne
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Lenaola wisdom:
Again substitute Abdi with Muguna
It is obvious to me that whereas Abdi is entitled to apply to regain his citizenship, this Court cannot be the organ to grant it to him because it is not a matter of right. He should make the necessary application and it it is formally denied, then he can have recourse to the Court after that fact. This prayer is consequently denied.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/10/2008 Posts: 9,131 Location: Kanjo
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Njunge wrote:Shortly before 10pm on Monday night, Raila left the city centre for JKIA, hoping to rescue Miguna from Immigration and the Police, who had refused to clear him to enter the country.
Raila’s ally Siaya Senator James Orengo, whom he had instructed to handle the matter, had reached the end. Airport authorities wanted Miguna to produce the passport he had travelled on from London, but Miguna wanted to be admitted using his Kenyan ID card instead.
On the way to the airport, Raila spoke to Miguna and asked him to cooperate with Immigration and present his Canadian passport. But Miguna declined and told Raila that he had given his Canadian passport to someone else who had left with it for fear of the government confiscating it.
Sources say Raila spoke to top government officials who promised that Miguna would be allowed to enter the country using the Canadian passport, but Miguna refused to present it.
Ni ujinga mingi. One will never be admitted with ID. The ni99a should follow the law. i.am.back!!!!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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hardwood wrote:murchr wrote:masukuma wrote:it's a pissing contest with nothing to gain just something to lose! it's TUTAMUONYESHA NCHI IKO NA WENYEWE... ATAJUA HAJUI e.t.c. Ata yeye anasema hivyo. Sipeani hio passport lazima niingie na ID. Ngoja tuone Yo have to pity migunas wife who has to deal with this kind of upuzi everyday. Even your own wife has to deal and put up your upuzi daily. Ama you think you are special and don't have any?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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hardwood wrote:He's canadian. He also fraudulently acquired his ID juzi in 2012.   @hardwood, the ID image you have posted must be fake. He was born in 1963. That means he turned 18 in 1981. Are you saying he operated without ID for 31 years from until 2012... going to High School, joined University of Nairobi, worked, applied for visa to go to Canada without an ID? Does it make sense to you or you are clouded with Kameme stories?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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AlphDoti wrote:hardwood wrote:He's canadian. He also fraudulently acquired his ID juzi in 2012. @hardwood, the ID image you have posted must be fake. He was born in 1963. That means he turned 18 in 1981. Are you saying he operated without ID for 31 years from until 2012... going to High School, joined University of Nairobi, worked, applied for visa to go to Canada without an ID? Does it make sense to you or you are clouded with Kameme stories? If he acquired his ID in 1981 then it means he was given the 1st generation IDs Miguna left the country in 1998 who knows if he was given the 2nd generation IDs? It is a well known fact that Miguu acquired his ID fraudulently aided by Otieno Kajwang' so that he can work for Raila in the nusu mkeka govt. "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 4/1/2009 Posts: 1,884
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murchr wrote:AlphDoti wrote:hardwood wrote:He's canadian. He also fraudulently acquired his ID juzi in 2012. @hardwood, the ID image you have posted must be fake. He was born in 1963. That means he turned 18 in 1981. Are you saying he operated without ID for 31 years from until 2012... going to High School, joined University of Nairobi, worked, applied for visa to go to Canada without an ID? Does it make sense to you or you are clouded with Kameme stories? If he acquired his ID in 1981 then it means he was given the 1st generation IDs Miguna left the country in 1998 who knows if he was given the 2nd generation IDs? It is a well known fact that Miguu acquired his ID fraudulently aided by Otieno Kajwang' so that he can work for Raila in the nusu mkeka govt. hubris! all he had to do at that time was to make an application to re-instate his citizenship and we wont be having all these issues. but he was a big person in the pm's office. anyways, seems to be working well for him politically. coz at the end of the day, worst case scenario for him on the citizenship issue, the court would direct he applies to regain it and if the immigration department does not grant it to him, he would successfully appeal the decision to high court. in the meantime the political mileage he is getting out of it is massive.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/22/2008 Posts: 2,716
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It is now 4 pm. More than 48 hours since the General arrived.
It is time for Miguna to change tactics. If he fills out the forms there is no way the GOK can fail to allow him in and grant him his passport, not with all the publicity he currently enjoys.
If he insists on defiance the spotlight will move away and he will be resisting in obscurity. Miguna needs to remain in the spotlight for him to remain relevant. Seize the moment and fill out the GOK forms or allow the Canadians to give you another passport and enter as a tourist. Get out of the JKIA toilet, take a shower and live to fight another day.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/22/2008 Posts: 2,716
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Cliff Ombeta and John Khaminwa have other paying clients waiting and they cannot afford to spend more time on this pro bono case. Otiende Omollo and James Orengo both have full time jobs so they have a little more patience but they will also get tired. Miguna is not a pleasant person to deal with. This is not a problem when you have money to pay. People can entertain to be harassed when they are sure they are going to get paid. Lawyers are also people. We all know Matiang'i and Boinett will not go to court. The only thing that would put pressure on GOK would be a million people walking to JKIA. Only Raila can mobilize people to do such a thing. When Raila walks away from you, you are alone.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/17/2009 Posts: 2,038 Location: GA
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Meanwhile this miguna debacle has reset everything back to default,the wakora network,civil society,media,police,matiangi,kondele..its business as usual apart from odinga who has not visited kibera or mathare.Again it should be an eye opener to Uhuru kama migunas return was one of the conditions for the handshake then everything else in that deal is standing on quicksand.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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Wasn't Odunga deported to Machakos? "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/22/2008 Posts: 2,716
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Rank: Member Joined: 3/19/2013 Posts: 344
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Njunge wrote:Shortly before 10pm on Monday night, Raila left the city centre for JKIA, hoping to rescue Miguna from Immigration and the Police, who had refused to clear him to enter the country.
Raila’s ally Siaya Senator James Orengo, whom he had instructed to handle the matter, had reached the end. Airport authorities wanted Miguna to produce the passport he had travelled on from London, but Miguna wanted to be admitted using his Kenyan ID card instead.
On the way to the airport, Raila spoke to Miguna and asked him to cooperate with Immigration and present his Canadian passport. But Miguna declined and told Raila that he had given his Canadian passport to someone else who had left with it for fear of the government confiscating it.
Sources say Raila spoke to top government officials who promised that Miguna would be allowed to enter the country using the Canadian passport, but Miguna refused to present it.
Just saw his lawyer on TV claiming that a police woman pick-pocketed MM and stole his Canadian passport. Why are these people lying?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/19/2015 Posts: 2,871 Location: hapo
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I remember a time on this very forum some young people saying how good it was for the police to shoot students. A few weeks later, the first person to be shot was the one making the most noise on TV. Sad. My frens with all your lawyerism, if the gov't is soooo right, why not take the criminal to court? Hubris.. Pray that it's not you next time begging that a court order is followed. Because it shall be. Ask the dead student. Thieves are not good people. Tumeelewana?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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Sansa wrote:Njunge wrote:Shortly before 10pm on Monday night, Raila left the city centre for JKIA, hoping to rescue Miguna from Immigration and the Police, who had refused to clear him to enter the country.
Raila’s ally Siaya Senator James Orengo, whom he had instructed to handle the matter, had reached the end. Airport authorities wanted Miguna to produce the passport he had travelled on from London, but Miguna wanted to be admitted using his Kenyan ID card instead.
On the way to the airport, Raila spoke to Miguna and asked him to cooperate with Immigration and present his Canadian passport. But Miguna declined and told Raila that he had given his Canadian passport to someone else who had left with it for fear of the government confiscating it.
Sources say Raila spoke to top government officials who promised that Miguna would be allowed to enter the country using the Canadian passport, but Miguna refused to present it.
Just saw his lawyer on TV claiming that a police woman pick-pocketed MM and stole his Canadian passport. Why are these people lying? Society allows them to, and that makes them think they can always get away with it. "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/19/2015 Posts: 2,871 Location: hapo
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murchr wrote:Sansa wrote:Njunge wrote:Shortly before 10pm on Monday night, Raila left the city centre for JKIA, hoping to rescue Miguna from Immigration and the Police, who had refused to clear him to enter the country.
Raila’s ally Siaya Senator James Orengo, whom he had instructed to handle the matter, had reached the end. Airport authorities wanted Miguna to produce the passport he had travelled on from London, but Miguna wanted to be admitted using his Kenyan ID card instead.
On the way to the airport, Raila spoke to Miguna and asked him to cooperate with Immigration and present his Canadian passport. But Miguna declined and told Raila that he had given his Canadian passport to someone else who had left with it for fear of the government confiscating it.
Sources say Raila spoke to top government officials who promised that Miguna would be allowed to enter the country using the Canadian passport, but Miguna refused to present it.
Just saw his lawyer on TV claiming that a police woman pick-pocketed MM and stole his Canadian passport. Why are these people lying? Society allows them to, and that makes them think they can always get away with it. For someone who's posts are all over the internet, that is a very brave comment. Thieves are not good people. Tumeelewana?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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alma1 wrote:murchr wrote:Sansa wrote:Njunge wrote:Shortly before 10pm on Monday night, Raila left the city centre for JKIA, hoping to rescue Miguna from Immigration and the Police, who had refused to clear him to enter the country.
Raila’s ally Siaya Senator James Orengo, whom he had instructed to handle the matter, had reached the end. Airport authorities wanted Miguna to produce the passport he had travelled on from London, but Miguna wanted to be admitted using his Kenyan ID card instead.
On the way to the airport, Raila spoke to Miguna and asked him to cooperate with Immigration and present his Canadian passport. But Miguna declined and told Raila that he had given his Canadian passport to someone else who had left with it for fear of the government confiscating it.
Sources say Raila spoke to top government officials who promised that Miguna would be allowed to enter the country using the Canadian passport, but Miguna refused to present it.
Just saw his lawyer on TV claiming that a police woman pick-pocketed MM and stole his Canadian passport. Why are these people lying? Society allows them to, and that makes them think they can always get away with it. For someone who's posts are all over the internet, that is a very brave comment. Its the truth "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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