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Kengen success
Cornelius Vanderbilt
#526 Posted : Friday, July 01, 2016 2:08:29 AM
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goverment uptake of its rights saved the rights issue but clearly the market isnot interested in the rights

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sparkly
#527 Posted : Friday, July 01, 2016 3:44:30 PM
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The spirit on this thread.... many would have wanted to see the Kengen rights flop Sad
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obiero
#528 Posted : Friday, July 01, 2016 4:01:26 PM
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sparkly wrote:
The spirit on this thread.... many would have wanted to see the Kengen rights flop Sad

The success was hinged on 70% government ownership and its conversion of debt to equity. Ideally, very little new cash has been pumped in. The key question is.. Did the government pay Sh6.3 billion in cash for its uptake of shares?? Next year is 2017 my friends.. I have some data on this one hence reason for bailing out at KES 6.90. Thank me later

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Ericsson
#529 Posted : Friday, July 01, 2016 4:09:21 PM
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@Obiero
Punguza temper you can't win everytime so for those who particpated wish them well.
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Aguytrying
#530 Posted : Friday, July 01, 2016 4:26:18 PM
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sparkly wrote:
The spirit on this thread.... many would have wanted to see the Kengen rights flop Sad


lol. I agree guys too negative even bitter. ive reduced my criticism.
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obiero
#531 Posted : Friday, July 01, 2016 8:10:43 PM
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Ericsson wrote:
@Obiero
Punguza temper you can't win everytime so for those who particpated wish them well.

No temper @ericsson.. Just laying down a fact. The company said it needed cash, how much cash in shilling terms was collected for the intended projects

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Ebenyo
#532 Posted : Friday, July 01, 2016 11:43:02 PM
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As for many like me wenye tuliingia kengen juzi,we will be happy to increase our holding with the low prices.
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Ericsson
#533 Posted : Saturday, July 02, 2016 8:06:22 AM
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@Obiero
Go and read the information memorandum. The purpose was to re balance the debt:equity ratio so for the case of gqva part of the debt was retired by converting to equity for the rights issue. So if for example kengen owed gava sh.30bn post rights issue its now 10bn.
That gives kengen room to pay lower finance costs and get loans from JICA for new power plants to be built
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Aguytrying
#534 Posted : Saturday, July 02, 2016 10:21:37 AM
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Ericsson wrote:
@Obiero
Go and read the information memorandum. The purpose was to re balance the debt:equity ratio so for the case of gqva part of the debt was retired by converting to equity for the rights issue. So if for example kengen owed gava sh.30bn post rights issue its now 10bn.
That gives kengen room to pay lower finance costs and get loans from JICA for new power plants to be built


I used to like kengen once upon a time. Then came the massive expansion plans using debt. mind boggling debt figures. that was the end for me. even this rights issue is to reduce debt so they can borrow more. i have an issue with too much (gross) debt. debt to equity ratio be damned
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Ericsson
#535 Posted : Saturday, July 02, 2016 1:29:42 PM
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@Aguytrying.
If the company is able to utilise the debt well, grow assets, grow its revenue, grow the profits and give out consistent dividends then there should be no cause of alarm of the debt.
Moreover the company has a brilliant finance director
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Ericsson
#536 Posted : Saturday, July 02, 2016 1:42:08 PM
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The day you see chinese becoming the major financiers and creditors to kengen run away very very fast especially if it's a G to G agreement
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Ebenyo
#537 Posted : Saturday, July 02, 2016 6:46:29 PM
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Aguytrying wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
@Obiero
Go and read the information memorandum. The purpose was to re balance the debt:equity ratio so for the case of gqva part of the debt was retired by converting to equity for the rights issue. So if for example kengen owed gava sh.30bn post rights issue its now 10bn.
That gives kengen room to pay lower finance costs and get loans from JICA for new power plants to be built


I used to like kengen once upon a time. Then came the massive expansion plans using debt. mind boggling debt figures. that was the end for me. even this rights issue is to reduce debt so they can borrow more. i have an issue with too much (gross) debt. debt to equity ratio be damned


I was attracted to kengen by a high dividend yield.I entered at kshs 6.80 which at the current dps of kshs 0.60 represents a dividend yield of 11%.Im also not very comfortable with a high debt to equity ratio.But im comfortable with my entry price.With the rights issue shares coming to the market,i hope to add more at cheaper price.Im comfortable with their business monopoly which i believe will continue growing profits.They have also been consistent at paying dividends since listing in 2006.So as long as they make profits,pay me dividend,i will be comfortable in the medium term.I will keep increasing my holding at cheap price while increasing my dividend pay.This is a company im in for mainly divisification.
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sparkly
#538 Posted : Saturday, July 02, 2016 7:14:31 PM
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Ebenyo wrote:
Aguytrying wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
@Obiero
Go and read the information memorandum. The purpose was to re balance the debt:equity ratio so for the case of gqva part of the debt was retired by converting to equity for the rights issue. So if for example kengen owed gava sh.30bn post rights issue its now 10bn.
That gives kengen room to pay lower finance costs and get loans from JICA for new power plants to be built


I used to like kengen once upon a time. Then came the massive expansion plans using debt. mind boggling debt figures. that was the end for me. even this rights issue is to reduce debt so they can borrow more. i have an issue with too much (gross) debt. debt to equity ratio be damned


I was attracted to kengen by a high dividend yield.I entered at kshs 6.80 which at the current dps of kshs 0.60 represents a dividend yield of 11%.


That is if DPS is maintained at 0.6 after the dilution. highly unlikely.
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Ericsson
#539 Posted : Saturday, July 02, 2016 11:25:13 PM
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@Sparkly
Dividend payout ratio is the key
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Aguytrying
#540 Posted : Sunday, July 03, 2016 2:46:15 AM
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sparkly wrote:
Ebenyo wrote:
Aguytrying wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
@Obiero
Go and read the information memorandum. The purpose was to re balance the debt:equity ratio so for the case of gqva part of the debt was retired by converting to equity for the rights issue. So if for example kengen owed gava sh.30bn post rights issue its now 10bn.
That gives kengen room to pay lower finance costs and get loans from JICA for new power plants to be built


I used to like kengen once upon a time. Then came the massive expansion plans using debt. mind boggling debt figures. that was the end for me. even this rights issue is to reduce debt so they can borrow more. i have an issue with too much (gross) debt. debt to equity ratio be damned


I was attracted to kengen by a high dividend yield.I entered at kshs 6.80 which at the current dps of kshs 0.60 represents a dividend yield of 11%.


That is if DPS is maintained at 0.6 after the dilution. highly unlikely.


After dilution the yield at 6.55 should be about 3-4%. I hope u know That @Ebenyo.

Just divide the dividend by 4. To estimate the new dividend. Assuming pay out ratio remains the same
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