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Law Capping interest rates
guru267
#681 Posted : Thursday, August 25, 2016 2:37:38 PM
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tafutabiz wrote:
guru267 wrote:
Impunity wrote:
murchr wrote:
mikanjoroge wrote:
I have a question. Will this law affect those who already had loans, or is it only for new loans from the date of "operationalization" or "gazettement" of the law?


Old loans remain unless you refinance


He can top up his old loans under new terms.

Interesting times indeed.

Imagine having taken a 2M loan at 21% pa, after 2 years top it up under new rate, 14%pa.

smile


Try it out.. Top up declined pap! unless you double up on the security and increase your income to instalment ratio.


Stop fear mongering, if you signed an agreement for a variable interest loan, why wont 14.5% apply? If they have been effecting the increase why not lower it now? People will go to court


The discussion is on a top up at 14.5% p.a. which I guarantee you will be declined.
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newfarer
#682 Posted : Thursday, August 25, 2016 2:50:53 PM
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MaichBlack wrote:
maka wrote:
watesh wrote:

And it begins....




Ndombolo ya Solo!

Blackmail won't work. I had no intention of taking any of the above . But I will happily take my 7%
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murchr
#683 Posted : Thursday, August 25, 2016 3:03:58 PM
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newfarer wrote:
MaichBlack wrote:
maka wrote:
watesh wrote:

And it begins....




Ndombolo ya Solo!

Blackmail won't work. I had no intention of taking any of the above . But I will happily take my 7%


You will not unless you have 1M in your account
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streetwise
#684 Posted : Thursday, August 25, 2016 3:13:51 PM
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Don't worry about the bank refusing , go to another bank and they will buy the loan from your bank at 14.5%.

and don't ask your bank , just eft the total amount to your loan account. 90% of 0 = 0

Either way things are facing down...read my lips
wukan
#685 Posted : Thursday, August 25, 2016 3:14:02 PM
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What you may not realize is that we are in the beginning of a credit crunch. If your employer was relying on overdraft facility to pay your salaries at the end of the month start negotiating with your landlord mapema mapema.
Wakanyugi
#686 Posted : Thursday, August 25, 2016 3:43:18 PM
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wukan wrote:
What you may not realize is that we are in the beginning of a credit crunch. If your employer was relying on overdraft facility to pay your salaries at the end of the month start negotiating with your landlord mapema mapema.


In other words Banks will put a noose around their necks in order to spite Wanjiku? This thing works both ways and as someone mentioned, Banks are no longer the only lending game in town. For instance, watch how SACOO's suddenly gain prominence.





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MaichBlack
#687 Posted : Thursday, August 25, 2016 3:45:10 PM
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wukan wrote:
What you may not realize is that we are in the beginning of a credit crunch. If your employer was relying on overdraft facility to pay your salaries at the end of the month start negotiating with your landlord mapema mapema.

You are talking to Kenyans!

They don't realize until it is way past the event.

Of course by Kenyans I don't mean all. Just most.
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obiero
#688 Posted : Thursday, August 25, 2016 3:48:24 PM
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MaichBlack wrote:
wukan wrote:
What you may not realize is that we are in the beginning of a credit crunch. If your employer was relying on overdraft facility to pay your salaries at the end of the month start negotiating with your landlord mapema mapema.

You are talking to Kenyans!

They don't realize until it is way past the event.

Of course by Kenyans I don't mean all. Just most.

Banks will squeeze this one to the wall. Ask me later on what I mean

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MaichBlack
#689 Posted : Thursday, August 25, 2016 3:51:27 PM
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Those who have just started their course work on an MBA you are very lucky.

Just watch and take notes. In the next 8 months or one year your thesis will be complete. You just need to do a bit of panel beating, put it in an academic language and present it!
Never count on making a good sale. Have the purchase price be so attractive that even a mediocre sale gives good returns.
MaichBlack
#690 Posted : Thursday, August 25, 2016 3:53:44 PM
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obiero wrote:
MaichBlack wrote:
wukan wrote:
What you may not realize is that we are in the beginning of a credit crunch. If your employer was relying on overdraft facility to pay your salaries at the end of the month start negotiating with your landlord mapema mapema.

You are talking to Kenyans!

They don't realize until it is way past the event.

Of course by Kenyans I don't mean all. Just most.

Banks will squeeze this one to the wall. Ask me later on what I mean

I know what you mean. I guess. In one year, this law will be reversed or watered down. And by then Wanjiku will not be having bank shares.
Never count on making a good sale. Have the purchase price be so attractive that even a mediocre sale gives good returns.
Ngogoyo
#691 Posted : Thursday, August 25, 2016 4:03:26 PM
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MaichBlack wrote:
wukan wrote:
What you may not realize is that we are in the beginning of a credit crunch. If your employer was relying on overdraft facility to pay your salaries at the end of the month start negotiating with your landlord mapema mapema.

You are talking to Kenyans!

They don't realize until it is way past the event.

Of course by Kenyans I don't mean all. Just most.


so you mean Kenyan economy is controlled by banks only?

I call it cow shit

So the only employer in kenya is a bank? What if after i get laid off, i approach the bank for the 14.5% and i establish a business that can even create and absorb the jobs laid off?

I can even bet on this...within a 6 month timeframe, the market will stabilize

Wanjiku will get his loans at lower rate and deposit at favorable rate and banks will improvise to ensure moral profits are reported.

You @Maich & @Wukan are just scared, its okay to be scared but stop fearmongering.

The banks have big asset base that's why they declare huge profits (oooh and they need to considering those assets)...but i ask, how did they accumulate these assets? Is it not by charging exorbitant rates to Wanjiku

Banks behaving like high school students is a NO. they will not get their way

I was supporting them but now if they decide to not accept the deposits and loan to wanjiku, wanjiku will go to FOSA & saccos to deposit her cash and borrow from there

And that will be the rise of that sector....well until they decide to act like banks after say 20yrs from now.
watesh
#692 Posted : Thursday, August 25, 2016 4:04:07 PM
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MaichBlack wrote:
Those who have just started their course work on an MBA you are very lucky.

Just watch and take notes. In the next 8 months or one year your thesis will be complete. You just need to do a bit of panel beating, put it in an academic language and present it!

Applause Applause Applause Applause Applause great idea
maka
#693 Posted : Thursday, August 25, 2016 4:12:32 PM
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Ngogoyo wrote:
MaichBlack wrote:
wukan wrote:
What you may not realize is that we are in the beginning of a credit crunch. If your employer was relying on overdraft facility to pay your salaries at the end of the month start negotiating with your landlord mapema mapema.

You are talking to Kenyans!

They don't realize until it is way past the event.

Of course by Kenyans I don't mean all. Just most.


so you mean Kenyan economy is controlled by banks only?

I call it cow shit

So the only employer in kenya is a bank? What if after i get laid off, i approach the bank for the 14.5% and i establish a business that can even create and absorb the jobs laid off?

I can even bet on this...within a 6 month timeframe, the market will stabilize

Wanjiku will get his loans at lower rate and deposit at favorable rate and banks will improvise to ensure moral profits are reported.

You @Maich & @Wukan are just scared, its okay to be scared but stop fearmongering.

The banks have big asset base that's why they declare huge profits (oooh and they need to considering those assets)...but i ask, how did they accumulate these assets? Is it not by charging exorbitant rates to Wanjiku

Banks behaving like high school students is a NO. they will not get their way

I was supporting them but now if they decide to not accept the deposits and loan to wanjiku, wanjiku will go to FOSA & saccos to deposit her cash and borrow from there

And that will be the rise of that sector....well until they decide to act like banks after say 20yrs from now.


Well said....
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obiero
#694 Posted : Thursday, August 25, 2016 4:34:21 PM
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MaichBlack wrote:
obiero wrote:
MaichBlack wrote:
wukan wrote:
What you may not realize is that we are in the beginning of a credit crunch. If your employer was relying on overdraft facility to pay your salaries at the end of the month start negotiating with your landlord mapema mapema.

You are talking to Kenyans!

They don't realize until it is way past the event.

Of course by Kenyans I don't mean all. Just most.

Banks will squeeze this one to the wall. Ask me later on what I mean

I know what you mean. I guess. In one year, this law will be reversed or watered down. And by then Wanjiku will not be having bank shares.

I watched Donde yesterday on KTN and he opened up my eyes

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murchr
#695 Posted : Thursday, August 25, 2016 4:36:55 PM
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Ngogoyo wrote:
MaichBlack wrote:
wukan wrote:
What you may not realize is that we are in the beginning of a credit crunch. If your employer was relying on overdraft facility to pay your salaries at the end of the month start negotiating with your landlord mapema mapema.

You are talking to Kenyans!

They don't realize until it is way past the event.

Of course by Kenyans I don't mean all. Just most.


so you mean Kenyan economy is controlled by banks only? No, but most employers bank their money in Kenyan banks and have access to credit/overdraft facilities. If these are denied...

I call it cow shit

So the only employer in kenya is a bank? What if after i get laid off, i approach the bank for the 14.5% and i establish a business that can even create and absorb the jobs laid off? Why do you think the only employer in Kenya is a bank? If you get laid off, you will not have access to any credit facility unless you see a shylock

I can even bet on this...within a 6 month timeframe, the market will stabilize

Wanjiku will get his loans at lower rate and deposit at favorable rate and banks will improvise to ensure moral profits are reported. From who?

You @Maich & @Wukan are just scared, its okay to be scared but stop fearmongering.

The banks have big asset base that's why they declare huge profits (oooh and they need to considering those assets)...but i ask, how did they accumulate these assets? Is it not by charging exorbitant rates to Wanjiku

Banks behaving like high school students is a NO. they will not get their way

I was supporting them but now if they decide to not accept the deposits and loan to wanjiku, wanjiku will go to FOSA & saccos to deposit her cash and borrow from there

And that will be the rise of that sector....well until they decide to act like banks after say 20yrs from now.

"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Obi 1 Kanobi
#696 Posted : Thursday, August 25, 2016 4:54:00 PM
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Gadaffi wrote:
If am not wrong CBK had scheduled to hold its MPC meeting in Sept. I strongly believe CBR will be reviewed upwards. Hii maneno ya 14.5% is simply not workable.

setting the CBR is not an abitrary process, there is a science to it. if the banks withhold funds from wanjiku and turn to govt securities, then the interest rate on the securities will go down due to more money chasing less goods. And the MPR whose major component among others is the interest on govt securities will likewise go down.
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Obi 1 Kanobi
#697 Posted : Thursday, August 25, 2016 5:09:49 PM
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The more I think about this bill the more I like it.

Unlike many who post out of panic, my take is the banks will immediately start looking to shore up the lost earnings from high interest rates.

Bankers have been very lazy in the way they allocate their capital, they have been getting free money from wanjiku and lending to the govt, with the other bit lent to corporates they can and anything left lent to SME's and Wanjiku and margin spreads of over 18%. The expensive loans have been used to average up the interest return/sh at say 14%

This changes now, banks will want to maintain their current average interest income return per shilling atleast coz they have to pay higher interest expense. The best way to do this is to lend to wanjiku at CBR+4% and leave out the lending to govt which was at CBR-?%

The govt will therefore have to source for funds from elsewhere.

Great bill, everyone wins.
"The purpose of bureaucracy is to compensate for incompetence and lack of discipline." James Collins
Wakanyugi
#698 Posted : Thursday, August 25, 2016 5:15:21 PM
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Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:
The more I think about this bill the more I like it.

Unlike many who post out of panic, my take is the banks will immediately start looking to shore up the lost earnings from high interest rates.

Bankers have been very lazy in the way they allocate their capital, they have been getting free money from wanjiku and lending to the govt, with the other bit lent to corporates they can and anything left lent to SME's and Wanjiku and margin spreads of over 18%. The expensive loans have been used to average up the interest return/sh at say 14%

This changes now, banks will want to maintain their current average interest income return per shilling atleast coz they have to pay higher interest expense. The best way to do this is to lend to wanjiku at CBR+4% and leave out the lending to govt which was at CBR-?%

The govt will therefore have to source for funds from elsewhere.

Great bill, everyone wins.


Pray Pray Pray You took the words out of my keyboard.
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moneydust
#699 Posted : Thursday, August 25, 2016 5:39:27 PM
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Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:
The more I think about this bill the more I like it.

Unlike many who post out of panic, my take is the banks will immediately start looking to shore up the lost earnings from high interest rates.

Bankers have been very lazy in the way they allocate their capital, they have been getting free money from wanjiku and lending to the govt, with the other bit lent to corporates they can and anything left lent to SME's and Wanjiku and margin spreads of over 18%. The expensive loans have been used to average up the interest return/sh at say 14%

This changes now, banks will want to maintain their current average interest income return per shilling atleast coz they have to pay higher interest expense. The best way to do this is to lend to wanjiku at CBR+4% and leave out the lending to govt which was at CBR-?%

The govt will therefore have to source for funds from elsewhere.

Great bill, everyone wins.


You are looking at everything upside down.Banks take deposits so that they can lend,if they cannot lend or invest the money in government securities,then,they would decline to take the deposit.Previously they would just offer a lower rate of interest for those deposits and life would go on.This discretion has been removed with the bill.So now is take it or leave it,there is nothing in between.
So banks don't have to lend if they feel they are going to lose their money and consequently don't have to take deposits if there is no one to lend to.
snifadog
#700 Posted : Thursday, August 25, 2016 5:46:28 PM
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..if they cannot lend or invest the money in government securities,then,they would decline to take the deposit..

what other business will they be doing if they stop taking deposits and lending? they will stop being banks? maybe just maybe they will stop undermining the role of the CRBs now
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