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PLAYING THE MARKET-A NEW YEAR RESOLUTION
mwanahisa
#331 Posted : Friday, October 15, 2010 3:58:24 PM
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Amen to that. If the bull continues into next year, Jubilee will be up there with the best of them.
guru267
#332 Posted : Friday, October 15, 2010 4:01:36 PM
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mwanahisa wrote:
Amen to that. If the bull continues into next year, Jubilee will be up there with the best of them.


true dat Laughing out loudly
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young
#333 Posted : Friday, October 15, 2010 4:12:04 PM
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2011 the year of jubilee insurance

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PKoli
#334 Posted : Friday, October 15, 2010 6:09:37 PM
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stocksmaster wrote:
ACTIVITY 15: PURCHASE OF 2200 DTB SHARES AT KSH 119 PER SHARE.
DATE:14TH OCT. 2010

COST OF TRANSACTION:KSH 261,800
ADD 2% TRANSACTION COST: KSH 5200
TOTAL COST OF TRANSACTION:KSH 267,000

SUMMARY OF PORTFOLIO AFTER ACTIVITY 15:
4200 DTB SHARES
2111 SCBK SHARES
CASH IN HAND:KSH 5645

Supply of the DTBK shares today picked up and hence was able to pick up some more. As earlier stated, the bank should easily post 100% growth for the Q3 2010 compared to last years' Q3.

Happy hunting.


Stockmaster, with your stock picking skills, you should have picked a couple of stocks. Since you are in the banking sector now, I would have picked half CFC half DTB. Both will give good returns in say 3 months, but I will bet on CFC for higher returns.
PKoli
#335 Posted : Friday, October 15, 2010 6:15:53 PM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
DTB, Jubilee & TPSEA have great management... Nation is also OK but the newspapers' quality is lousy!


Lately DTB and CFC have been moving huge volumes. This is uncharacteristic of these stocks! what is on the way?
mwanahisa
#336 Posted : Friday, October 15, 2010 6:34:50 PM
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@PKoli. What is your rationale for preferring CFC over DTB? DTB seems to have better fundamentals or are you basing it on observed market behaviour? Ama it is the listing of CFC Ins Holdings?
PKoli
#337 Posted : Friday, October 15, 2010 6:44:35 PM
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mwanahisa wrote:
@PKoli. What is your rationale for preferring CFC over DTB? DTB seems to have better fundamentals or are you basing it on observed market behaviour? Ama it is the listing of CFC Ins Holdings?


During the merger, the Bank alone was not able to get its correct pricing. It should move to its correct pricing relative to its peers. That way, it should be trading at over 240, when you add other minor components like the insurance, it should trade at a range of 160 or thereabouts. Obviously, if it does not behave like KCB which has one of the lowest returns on its assets.
CFC has been aggressive and with the new management headed by the guy who grew Stanbic Ug, we should see some reasonable upsurge.
mwanahisa
#338 Posted : Friday, October 15, 2010 9:41:29 PM
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PKoli wrote:
mwanahisa wrote:
@PKoli. What is your rationale for preferring CFC over DTB? DTB seems to have better fundamentals or are you basing it on observed market behaviour? Ama it is the listing of CFC Ins Holdings?


During the merger, the Bank alone was not able to get its correct pricing. It should move to its correct pricing relative to its peers. That way, it should be trading at over 240, when you add other minor components like the insurance, it should trade at a range of 160 or thereabouts. Obviously, if it does not behave like KCB which has one of the lowest returns on its assets.
CFC has been aggressive and with the new management headed by the guy who grew Stanbic Ug, we should see some reasonable upsurge.


Pkoli. Even if the deal has not come through, it appears that you are already enjoying stuff from your own cache. Read your post above again - the whole is much less than the sum of the parts. 240 against 160!!!

I have my reservations about CFC Stanbic. The bank made Kshs 725,270,000 PAT in H1. Total H1 for the Group was Kshs 677,962,000 PAT. This equates to EPS of 2.65 and 2.48 respectively. Insurance, Financial Services and/or the overheads at CFC Stanbic Holdings apparently ate into some of the bank's profits. I raised this in a posting but I never got a satisfactory answer why and/or how come.

With the above figures, I say that CFC needs to grow its earnings by a big margin to get to the pricing level you have indicated i.e. 160. We know that Standard Bank bought into CFC Group at between 100-120. But it was at the height of the bull market and in retrospect it looks like they were shafted.

Contrast this with DTB. H1 2010 PAT stood at Kshs 1,160,851,000. EPS of Kshs 7.12. Remember DTB is all over East Africa as well and growing its footprint day by day.

On this one, I think you have it wrong unless you are reckoning that folks will want to speculate more on CFC Stanbic. On fundamentals, DTB is far superior.

Now let me go get myself something akin to the deal's Windhoek.
VituVingiSana
#339 Posted : Saturday, October 16, 2010 1:39:09 AM
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mwanahisa wrote:
We know that Standard Bank bought into CFC Group at between 100-120. But it was at the height of the bull market and in retrospect it looks like they were shafted.
Stanbic was not shafted. They shafted us the CFC shareholders! They took a bank that had a solid clientele & scared them away to I&M Bank, NIC Bank, Prime Bank, CBA, Chase Bank, DTB, etc [Mid-market banks]...

High Net Worth & mid-sized firm have their own needs/requirements... You slight them & they will leave since these are RELATIONSHIPS...

At CFC there were relationships as folks moved up the ladder... The Stanbic way was different... Every 3 months a new face! Bullshit!
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
Gatheuzi
#340 Posted : Saturday, October 16, 2010 9:23:20 AM
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@ vvs,

You are very right about the high staff turnover in the new outfit. I interact with them both as a customer and through my employer. As far as Iam concerned at a personal level, I will keep them. However from my employer perspective, we have lost track of the different account relationship managers we keep being assigned to after the previous ones left.

And like you can guess the relationship is no longer as cusomized as it used to be with the good old CFC.
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