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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 13,497 Location: nairobi
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kayhara wrote:ArrestedDev wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:sparkly wrote:obiero wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:@vvs dear Fastjet has folded it's Kenyan tour http://www.businessdaily...1836-5lyatgz/index.html[/quote] Now that Fast Jet has folded, will KQ be profitable? *Please fill up at KK. As a private firm that makes profits, we need your help. KQ & friends to pay cash* KQ has never had real competition in Kenya.. Even the losses have always been manufactured No competition yet airlines do do badly. Ideally the Concorde should have raked in Billions in profits yet it folded shamefully after swallowing Billions in French and British taxpayers' money. The Concorde was an aircraft [like 787] so not comparable. I think the only operators were BA and Air France as their governments funded the program. The Tupolev also died and not sure if anyone but Aeroflot operated them. Concorde was killed by the US. Please read the literature and understand. a colleague was asking me< KQ planes are almost full almost all of the time on all the routes they operate on the fares are not exactly cheap, though service on board is top quality, then WHY is the airline in trouble? and what was the foolishness of selling the Heathrow spot. No foolishness there.. The improved loss position was a direct beneficiary
HF 30,000 ABP 3.49; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 23,800 ABP 6.45
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Rank: Member Joined: 5/29/2016 Posts: 898 Location: Nairobi
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obiero wrote:kayhara wrote:ArrestedDev wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:sparkly wrote:obiero wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:@vvs dear Fastjet has folded it's Kenyan tour http://www.businessdaily...1836-5lyatgz/index.html[/quote] Now that Fast Jet has folded, will KQ be profitable? *Please fill up at KK. As a private firm that makes profits, we need your help. KQ & friends to pay cash* KQ has never had real competition in Kenya.. Even the losses have always been manufactured No competition yet airlines do do badly. Ideally the Concorde should have raked in Billions in profits yet it folded shamefully after swallowing Billions in French and British taxpayers' money. The Concorde was an aircraft [like 787] so not comparable. I think the only operators were BA and Air France as their governments funded the program. The Tupolev also died and not sure if anyone but Aeroflot operated them. Concorde was killed by the US. Please read the literature and understand. a colleague was asking me< KQ planes are almost full almost all of the time on all the routes they operate on the fares are not exactly cheap, though service on board is top quality, then WHY is the airline in trouble? and what was the foolishness of selling the Heathrow spot. No foolishness there.. The improved loss position was a direct beneficiary Not on all routes. Majority of the planes are smaller i.e. 15 E190s. The dreamliner is also smaller, only 233 passengers. Something went wrong with the management of KQ. Massive fraud perpetrated at all levels of the Company. The good thing is that MJ have already discovered what is ailing the Company.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 13,497 Location: nairobi
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ArrestedDev wrote:obiero wrote:kayhara wrote:ArrestedDev wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:sparkly wrote:obiero wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:@vvs dear Fastjet has folded it's Kenyan tour http://www.businessdaily...1836-5lyatgz/index.html[/quote] Now that Fast Jet has folded, will KQ be profitable? *Please fill up at KK. As a private firm that makes profits, we need your help. KQ & friends to pay cash* KQ has never had real competition in Kenya.. Even the losses have always been manufactured No competition yet airlines do do badly. Ideally the Concorde should have raked in Billions in profits yet it folded shamefully after swallowing Billions in French and British taxpayers' money. The Concorde was an aircraft [like 787] so not comparable. I think the only operators were BA and Air France as their governments funded the program. The Tupolev also died and not sure if anyone but Aeroflot operated them. Concorde was killed by the US. Please read the literature and understand. a colleague was asking me< KQ planes are almost full almost all of the time on all the routes they operate on the fares are not exactly cheap, though service on board is top quality, then WHY is the airline in trouble? and what was the foolishness of selling the Heathrow spot. No foolishness there.. The improved loss position was a direct beneficiary Not on all routes. Majority of the planes are smaller i.e. 15 E190s. The dreamliner is also smaller, only 233 passengers. Something went wrong with the management of KQ. Massive fraud perpetrated at all levels of the Company. The good thing is that MJ have already discovered what is ailing the Company. Ngunze will always be remembered as a change catalyst whose Operation Pride sets a precedent for all ailing airlines
HF 30,000 ABP 3.49; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 23,800 ABP 6.45
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Rank: Member Joined: 5/29/2016 Posts: 898 Location: Nairobi
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obiero wrote:ArrestedDev wrote:obiero wrote:kayhara wrote:ArrestedDev wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:sparkly wrote:obiero wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:@vvs dear Fastjet has folded it's Kenyan tour http://www.businessdaily...1836-5lyatgz/index.html[/quote] Now that Fast Jet has folded, will KQ be profitable? *Please fill up at KK. As a private firm that makes profits, we need your help. KQ & friends to pay cash* KQ has never had real competition in Kenya.. Even the losses have always been manufactured No competition yet airlines do do badly. Ideally the Concorde should have raked in Billions in profits yet it folded shamefully after swallowing Billions in French and British taxpayers' money. The Concorde was an aircraft [like 787] so not comparable. I think the only operators were BA and Air France as their governments funded the program. The Tupolev also died and not sure if anyone but Aeroflot operated them. Concorde was killed by the US. Please read the literature and understand. a colleague was asking me< KQ planes are almost full almost all of the time on all the routes they operate on the fares are not exactly cheap, though service on board is top quality, then WHY is the airline in trouble? and what was the foolishness of selling the Heathrow spot. No foolishness there.. The improved loss position was a direct beneficiary Not on all routes. Majority of the planes are smaller i.e. 15 E190s. The dreamliner is also smaller, only 233 passengers. Something went wrong with the management of KQ. Massive fraud perpetrated at all levels of the Company. The good thing is that MJ have already discovered what is ailing the Company. Ngunze will always be remembered as a change catalyst whose Operation Pride sets a precedent for all ailing airlines He will only be remembered for corruption and mismanagement, period! I told you here that the pressure from pilots and the mounting losses will force him out.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 13,497 Location: nairobi
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ArrestedDev wrote:obiero wrote:ArrestedDev wrote:obiero wrote:kayhara wrote:ArrestedDev wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:sparkly wrote:obiero wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:@vvs dear Fastjet has folded it's Kenyan tour http://www.businessdaily...1836-5lyatgz/index.html[/quote] Now that Fast Jet has folded, will KQ be profitable? *Please fill up at KK. As a private firm that makes profits, we need your help. KQ & friends to pay cash* KQ has never had real competition in Kenya.. Even the losses have always been manufactured No competition yet airlines do do badly. Ideally the Concorde should have raked in Billions in profits yet it folded shamefully after swallowing Billions in French and British taxpayers' money. The Concorde was an aircraft [like 787] so not comparable. I think the only operators were BA and Air France as their governments funded the program. The Tupolev also died and not sure if anyone but Aeroflot operated them. Concorde was killed by the US. Please read the literature and understand. a colleague was asking me< KQ planes are almost full almost all of the time on all the routes they operate on the fares are not exactly cheap, though service on board is top quality, then WHY is the airline in trouble? and what was the foolishness of selling the Heathrow spot. No foolishness there.. The improved loss position was a direct beneficiary Not on all routes. Majority of the planes are smaller i.e. 15 E190s. The dreamliner is also smaller, only 233 passengers. Something went wrong with the management of KQ. Massive fraud perpetrated at all levels of the Company. The good thing is that MJ have already discovered what is ailing the Company. Ngunze will always be remembered as a change catalyst whose Operation Pride sets a precedent for all ailing airlines He will only be remembered for corruption and mismanagement, period! I told you here that the pressure from pilots and the mounting losses will force him out. Integrity forced him out
HF 30,000 ABP 3.49; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 23,800 ABP 6.45
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,095 Location: Nairobi
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ArrestedDev wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:sparkly wrote:obiero wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:@vvs dear Fastjet has folded it's Kenyan tour http://www.businessdaily...1836-5lyatgz/index.html[/quote] Now that Fast Jet has folded, will KQ be profitable? *Please fill up at KK. As a private firm that makes profits, we need your help. KQ & friends to pay cash* KQ has never had real competition in Kenya.. Even the losses have always been manufactured No competition yet airlines do do badly. Ideally the Concorde should have raked in Billions in profits yet it folded shamefully after swallowing Billions in French and British taxpayers' money. The Concorde was an aircraft [like 787] so not comparable. I think the only operators were BA and Air France as their governments funded the program. The Tupolev also died and not sure if anyone but Aeroflot operated them. Concorde was killed by the US. Please read the literature and understand. Yes, just as RAO is behind every failed Jubilee project. Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 13,497 Location: nairobi
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VituVingiSana wrote:ArrestedDev wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:sparkly wrote:obiero wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:@vvs dear Fastjet has folded it's Kenyan tour http://www.businessdaily...1836-5lyatgz/index.html[/quote] Now that Fast Jet has folded, will KQ be profitable? *Please fill up at KK. As a private firm that makes profits, we need your help. KQ & friends to pay cash* KQ has never had real competition in Kenya.. Even the losses have always been manufactured No competition yet airlines do do badly. Ideally the Concorde should have raked in Billions in profits yet it folded shamefully after swallowing Billions in French and British taxpayers' money. The Concorde was an aircraft [like 787] so not comparable. I think the only operators were BA and Air France as their governments funded the program. The Tupolev also died and not sure if anyone but Aeroflot operated them. Concorde was killed by the US. Please read the literature and understand. Yes, just as RAO is behind every failed Jubilee project. That's a very negative statement coming from you. Shame
HF 30,000 ABP 3.49; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 23,800 ABP 6.45
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Rank: Elder Joined: 4/22/2010 Posts: 11,522 Location: Nairobi
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Engineers on a go slow....full strike later this week.Smh possunt quia posse videntur
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/23/2009 Posts: 8,083 Location: Enk are Nyirobi
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obiero wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:ArrestedDev wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:sparkly wrote:obiero wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:@vvs dear Fastjet has folded it's Kenyan tour http://www.businessdaily...1836-5lyatgz/index.html[/quote] Now that Fast Jet has folded, will KQ be profitable? *Please fill up at KK. As a private firm that makes profits, we need your help. KQ & friends to pay cash* KQ has never had real competition in Kenya.. Even the losses have always been manufactured No competition yet airlines do do badly. Ideally the Concorde should have raked in Billions in profits yet it folded shamefully after swallowing Billions in French and British taxpayers' money. The Concorde was an aircraft [like 787] so not comparable. I think the only operators were BA and Air France as their governments funded the program. The Tupolev also died and not sure if anyone but Aeroflot operated them. Concorde was killed by the US. Please read the literature and understand. Yes, just as RAO is behind every failed Jubilee project. That's a very negative statement coming from you. Shame @Obiero your sarcasm sensors are low Life is short. Live passionately.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 13,497 Location: nairobi
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maka wrote:Engineers on a go slow....full strike later this week.Smh See. The problem has never been NGUNZE, AWORI or MJ.. the KQ workers are the weakest link
HF 30,000 ABP 3.49; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 23,800 ABP 6.45
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/15/2006 Posts: 3,905
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obiero wrote:maka wrote:Engineers on a go slow....full strike later this week.Smh See. The problem has never been NGUNZE, AWORI or MJ.. the KQ workers are the weakest link Or as Prof Magoha (KNEC) opined, 'Culture can destroy a great strategy'. 
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/21/2010 Posts: 6,182 Location: nairobi
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obiero wrote:maka wrote:Engineers on a go slow....full strike later this week.Smh See. The problem has never been NGUNZE, AWORI or MJ.. the KQ workers are the weakest link will it ever recover?they need to be surprised with a winding up on KQ by gava?watoto wa matajiri complain of poor pay when the airline can't even stand on it's own feet,how long does it take for a tick to realise the cow died?the shareholder is on his own because a responsible staff would not disturb the operations of an ailing company they feed on until it recovers "Don't let the fear of losing be greater than the excitement of winning."
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Rank: Member Joined: 5/29/2016 Posts: 898 Location: Nairobi
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muganda wrote:obiero wrote:maka wrote:Engineers on a go slow....full strike later this week.Smh See. The problem has never been NGUNZE, AWORI or MJ.. the KQ workers are the weakest link Or as Prof Magoha (KNEC) opined, 'Culture can destroy a great strategy'. There are underlying issues affecting people in KQ. It is not about culture. How long have you been told here that hundreds of engineers resigned long ago and yet the management does nothing at all to address the issue.
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Rank: Member Joined: 5/29/2016 Posts: 898 Location: Nairobi
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mlennyma wrote:obiero wrote:maka wrote:Engineers on a go slow....full strike later this week.Smh See. The problem has never been NGUNZE, AWORI or MJ.. the KQ workers are the weakest link will it ever recover?they need to be surprised with a winding up on KQ by gava?watoto wa matajiri complain of poor pay when the airline can't even stand on it's own feet,how long does it take for a tick to realise the cow died?the shareholder is on his own because a responsible staff would not disturb the operations of an ailing company they feed on until it recovers What surprise are you talking about. This Company is as good as dead. Who do you want to work like a donkey when the management is sitting pretty without addressing concerns raised? The best way to deal with the issues bedeviling KQ is through an industrial action. If it was not for the industrial action threat by KALPA, do you think Ngunze who is a moribund CEO could have opted to go?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 13,497 Location: nairobi
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ArrestedDev wrote:mlennyma wrote:obiero wrote:maka wrote:Engineers on a go slow....full strike later this week.Smh See. The problem has never been NGUNZE, AWORI or MJ.. the KQ workers are the weakest link will it ever recover?they need to be surprised with a winding up on KQ by gava?watoto wa matajiri complain of poor pay when the airline can't even stand on it's own feet,how long does it take for a tick to realise the cow died?the shareholder is on his own because a responsible staff would not disturb the operations of an ailing company they feed on until it recovers What surprise are you talking about. This Company is as good as dead. Who do you want to work like a donkey when the management is sitting pretty without addressing concerns raised? The best way to deal with the issues bedeviling KQ is through an industrial action. If it was not for the industrial action threat by KALPA, do you think Ngunze who is a moribund CEO could have opted to go? Shindwe
HF 30,000 ABP 3.49; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 23,800 ABP 6.45
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 13,497 Location: nairobi
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KQ staff are one messed up lot http://www.businessdaily...75278-2ramtgz/index.html
HF 30,000 ABP 3.49; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 23,800 ABP 6.45
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,095 Location: Nairobi
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obiero wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:ArrestedDev wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:sparkly wrote:obiero wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:@vvs dear Fastjet has folded it's Kenyan tour http://www.businessdaily...1836-5lyatgz/index.html[/quote] Now that Fast Jet has folded, will KQ be profitable? *Please fill up at KK. As a private firm that makes profits, we need your help. KQ & friends to pay cash* KQ has never had real competition in Kenya.. Even the losses have always been manufactured No competition yet airlines do do badly. Ideally the Concorde should have raked in Billions in profits yet it folded shamefully after swallowing Billions in French and British taxpayers' money. The Concorde was an aircraft [like 787] so not comparable. I think the only operators were BA and Air France as their governments funded the program. The Tupolev also died and not sure if anyone but Aeroflot operated them. Concorde was killed by the US. Please read the literature and understand. Yes, just as RAO is behind every failed Jubilee project. That's a very negative statement coming from you. Shame Ni kweli. Kizungu ilikuja kwa meli.  Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 4/4/2016 Posts: 1,997 Location: Kitale
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Michael Joseph alipewa kazi ngumu sana. Towards the goal of financial freedom
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/23/2009 Posts: 8,083 Location: Enk are Nyirobi
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Ebenyo wrote:Michael Joseph alipewa kazi ngumu sana. Mzee Tipos had a prize bull. Sahiwal cross. Almost a tonne in weight. Height of an adult man at the hump, Smooth hide, best in the region. The bull won him awards at the breeders' exhibition. Other farmers lined up to have their cows serviced by the bull. Then misfortune struck. The bull stopped mounting cows. Grazing was a problem. Bull became irritable. It started losing weight. Mzee Tipos got the best vets available in the county. They prescribed drugs, revolutionary feeds and supplements. But the bull's condition did not improve. It got worse. After a couple of months, as the former prize bull lay emaciated and dying in the pasture, the herdsman made a startling discovery. The bull was infested by parasites. The vet confirmed that indeed parasites had attacked all internal and external organs of the bull including the head, the gut, the feet and the skin. The infestation was too severe to be treated. If only it had been caught earlier! Despite his love for the Bull, Mzee Tipos made the decision to incinerate the bull to put it out of misery and save the rest of the herd from parasites. KQ is the prize bull that got attacked by all manner of parasites... management, staff, tenderprenuers. The company is dead. All prescriptions have failed. But some parasites still hang on even as the company is insolvent. The only logical approach to get rid of the parasites is to liquidate the company. Save taxpayers' money. Start a new airline with a competitive rather than self cannibalistic culture. Life is short. Live passionately.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 13,497 Location: nairobi
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sparkly wrote:Ebenyo wrote:Michael Joseph alipewa kazi ngumu sana. Mzee Tipos had a prize bull. Sahiwal cross. Almost a tonne in weight. Height of an adult man at the hump, Smooth hide, best in the region. The bull won him awards at the breeders' exhibition. Other farmers lined up to have their cows serviced by the bull. Then misfortune struck. The bull stopped mounting cows. Grazing was a problem. Bull became irritable. It started losing weight. Mzee Tipos got the best vets available in the county. They prescribed drugs, revolutionary feeds and supplements. But the bull's condition did not improve. It got worse. After a couple of months, as the former prize bull lay emaciated and dying in the pasture, the herdsman made a startling discovery. The bull was infested by parasites. The vet confirmed that indeed parasites had attacked all internal and external organs of the bull including the head, the gut, the feet and the skin. The infestation was too severe to be treated. If only it had been caught earlier! Despite his love for the Bull, Mzee Tipos made the decision to incinerate the bull to put it out of misery and save the rest of the herd from parasites. KQ is the prize bull that got attacked by all manner of parasites... management, staff, tenderprenuers. The company is dead. All prescriptions have failed. But some parasites still hang on even as the company is insolvent. The only logical approach to get rid of the parasites is to liquidate the company. Save taxpayers' money. Start a new airline with a competitive rather than self cannibalistic culture. Makes sense
HF 30,000 ABP 3.49; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 23,800 ABP 6.45
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