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Kenya Airways...why ignore..
VituVingiSana
#6601 Posted : Wednesday, November 16, 2016 2:40:03 AM
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ArrestedDev wrote:
Spikes wrote:
http://m.moneycontrol.com/news/business/jet-airways-expands-codeshare-pactkenya-airways_7965621.html


The demand is there and if KQ fix pricing they can even fly to these cities offerring passengers a seamless connection. Onward connection from Mumbai is very hectic as the later is a very busy airport.

Wasn't KQ flying direct to Delhi?
Why code-share with Jet to Delhi?

A quick check online shows ET and EK also fly to all 3 "new" cities so why fly KQ/Jet unless it is direct, cheaper, has easier connections or quality?

Since Etihad owns 29% of Jet, what's Eihad's motivation?
Is KQ in play for Etihad as a takeover candidate? [Though that negative equity is scary]
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
ArrestedDev
#6602 Posted : Wednesday, November 16, 2016 6:36:40 AM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
ArrestedDev wrote:
Spikes wrote:
http://m.moneycontrol.com/news/business/jet-airways-expands-codeshare-pactkenya-airways_7965621.html


The demand is there and if KQ fix pricing they can even fly to these cities offerring passengers a seamless connection. Onward connection from Mumbai is very hectic as the later is a very busy airport.

Wasn't KQ flying direct to Delhi?
Why code-share with Jet to Delhi?

A quick check online shows ET and EK also fly to all 3 "new" cities so why fly KQ/Jet unless it is direct, cheaper, has easier connections or quality?

Since Etihad owns 29% of Jet, what's Eihad's motivation?
Is KQ in play for Etihad as a takeover candidate? [Though that negative equity is scary]


Delhi & Hyderabad via Mumbai for KQ is same as ET and EK. All with a stop over and cheaper. KQ can therefore do the pricing competitively in response to Ethiopian and all the Middle East carriers and in that way net/ attract passengers who could otherwise have left a direct KQ product and go for a stop over.

It is a well calculated move which was long overdue. I hope this idea emanated from the new commercial director. The same applies to Americas via Amsterdam, the renegotiation of the joint venture with KLM, I think should allow KQ to codeshare with United/ American from AMS to all the major American cities. This will make KQ's tickets to America more affordable rather than the current arrangement where KQ is confined to KLM only.
obiero
#6603 Posted : Wednesday, November 16, 2016 7:17:20 AM
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ArrestedDev wrote:
maka wrote:
Spikes wrote:
http://www.routesonline.com/news/38/airlineroute/269774/kenya-airways-updates-ns17-amsterdam-operations/


New KQ chairman MJ is serious in the turnaround. Less than a month and the guy is making profound changes.


But we have been yapping in this thread that the issue is the management lakini peeps never listen...if it wasn't for UK...Mbuvi should have also been sent home...They shouldn't have let Yves go to TAAG....promote him to CEO then sack Musila...Diaz and a few other fellows.


Mbuvi is the only stumbling stone to KQ's prosperity.

I hope a Donald Trump is elected next year.

Mbuvi is the only panacea to KQs struggles

HF 30,000 ABP 3.49; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 23,800 ABP 6.45
maka
#6604 Posted : Wednesday, November 16, 2016 8:45:59 AM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
ArrestedDev wrote:
Spikes wrote:
http://m.moneycontrol.com/news/business/jet-airways-expands-codeshare-pactkenya-airways_7965621.html


The demand is there and if KQ fix pricing they can even fly to these cities offerring passengers a seamless connection. Onward connection from Mumbai is very hectic as the later is a very busy airport.

Wasn't KQ flying direct to Delhi?
Why code-share with Jet to Delhi?

A quick check online shows ET and EK also fly to all 3 "new" cities so why fly KQ/Jet unless it is direct, cheaper, has easier connections or quality?

Since Etihad owns 29% of Jet, what's Eihad's motivation?
Is KQ in play for Etihad as a takeover candidate? [Though that negative equity is scary]


KQ never used to fill that route...I remember very well there was hue and cry when one of the flights from delhi landed in Mombasa because of bad weather or a tech,it had only 38 pax...

ION


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VituVingiSana
#6605 Posted : Wednesday, November 16, 2016 8:47:52 AM
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ArrestedDev wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
ArrestedDev wrote:
Spikes wrote:
http://m.moneycontrol.com/news/business/jet-airways-expands-codeshare-pactkenya-airways_7965621.html


The demand is there and if KQ fix pricing they can even fly to these cities offerring passengers a seamless connection. Onward connection from Mumbai is very hectic as the later is a very busy airport.

Wasn't KQ flying direct to Delhi?
Why code-share with Jet to Delhi?

A quick check online shows ET and EK also fly to all 3 "new" cities so why fly KQ/Jet unless it is direct, cheaper, has easier connections or quality?

Since Etihad owns 29% of Jet, what's Eihad's motivation?
Is KQ in play for Etihad as a takeover candidate? [Though that negative equity is scary]


Delhi & Hyderabad via Mumbai for KQ is same as ET and EK. All with a stop over and cheaper. KQ can therefore do the pricing competitively in response to Ethiopian and all the Middle East carriers and in that way net/ attract passengers who could otherwise have left a direct KQ product and go for a stop over.

It is a well calculated move which was long overdue. I hope this idea emanated from the new commercial director. The same applies to Americas via Amsterdam, the renegotiation of the joint venture with KLM, I think should allow KQ to codeshare with United/ American from AMS to all the major American cities. This will make KQ's tickets to America more affordable rather than the current arrangement where KQ is confined to KLM only.
Doesn't Delta [SkyTeam] make more sense for KQ? Why doesn't KQ codeshare with Delta for all of Delta's Paris-US flights? Or even Delta's AMS-USA? Or Delta's LHR-USA?
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
VituVingiSana
#6606 Posted : Wednesday, November 16, 2016 8:49:24 AM
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maka wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
ArrestedDev wrote:
Spikes wrote:
http://m.moneycontrol.com/news/business/jet-airways-expands-codeshare-pactkenya-airways_7965621.html


The demand is there and if KQ fix pricing they can even fly to these cities offerring passengers a seamless connection. Onward connection from Mumbai is very hectic as the later is a very busy airport.

Wasn't KQ flying direct to Delhi?
Why code-share with Jet to Delhi?

A quick check online shows ET and EK also fly to all 3 "new" cities so why fly KQ/Jet unless it is direct, cheaper, has easier connections or quality?

Since Etihad owns 29% of Jet, what's Eihad's motivation?
Is KQ in play for Etihad as a takeover candidate? [Though that negative equity is scary]


KQ never used to fill that route...I remember very well there was hue and cry when one of the flights from delhi landed in Mombasa because of bad weather or a tech,it had only 38 pax...

ION


38? Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Even matatus from Rongai carry more pax! I wonder how many of those 38 were flying free or on buddy passes!
Did they not research that segment/sector before starting flights?
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
maka
#6607 Posted : Wednesday, November 16, 2016 9:17:44 AM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
maka wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
ArrestedDev wrote:
Spikes wrote:
http://m.moneycontrol.com/news/business/jet-airways-expands-codeshare-pactkenya-airways_7965621.html


The demand is there and if KQ fix pricing they can even fly to these cities offerring passengers a seamless connection. Onward connection from Mumbai is very hectic as the later is a very busy airport.

Wasn't KQ flying direct to Delhi?
Why code-share with Jet to Delhi?

A quick check online shows ET and EK also fly to all 3 "new" cities so why fly KQ/Jet unless it is direct, cheaper, has easier connections or quality?

Since Etihad owns 29% of Jet, what's Eihad's motivation?
Is KQ in play for Etihad as a takeover candidate? [Though that negative equity is scary]


KQ never used to fill that route...I remember very well there was hue and cry when one of the flights from delhi landed in Mombasa because of bad weather or a tech,it had only 38 pax...

ION


38? Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Even matatus from Rongai carry more pax! I wonder how many of those 38 were flying free or on buddy passes!
Did they not research that segment/sector before starting flights?



A Kenya Airways plane with 38 passengers on board from Delhi, India, had to make an emergency landing at Moi International Airport in Mombasa on Monday.

The plane was set to land at Jomo Kenyatta International Airport but had to be diverted to Mombasa.

The initial explanation given was that the aircraft had run out of fuel.

This are the routes TN had to push for when the new planes came...but passenger numbers were extremely low.
possunt quia posse videntur
ArrestedDev
#6608 Posted : Wednesday, November 16, 2016 10:09:21 AM
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maka wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
maka wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
ArrestedDev wrote:
Spikes wrote:
http://m.moneycontrol.com/news/business/jet-airways-expands-codeshare-pactkenya-airways_7965621.html


The demand is there and if KQ fix pricing they can even fly to these cities offerring passengers a seamless connection. Onward connection from Mumbai is very hectic as the later is a very busy airport.

Wasn't KQ flying direct to Delhi?
Why code-share with Jet to Delhi?

A quick check online shows ET and EK also fly to all 3 "new" cities so why fly KQ/Jet unless it is direct, cheaper, has easier connections or quality?

Since Etihad owns 29% of Jet, what's Eihad's motivation?
Is KQ in play for Etihad as a takeover candidate? [Though that negative equity is scary]


KQ never used to fill that route...I remember very well there was hue and cry when one of the flights from delhi landed in Mombasa because of bad weather or a tech,it had only 38 pax...

ION


38? Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Even matatus from Rongai carry more pax! I wonder how many of those 38 were flying free or on buddy passes!
Did they not research that segment/sector before starting flights?



A Kenya Airways plane with 38 passengers on board from Delhi, India, had to make an emergency landing at Moi International Airport in Mombasa on Monday.

The plane was set to land at Jomo Kenyatta International Airport but had to be diverted to Mombasa.

The initial explanation given was that the aircraft had run out of fuel.

This are the routes TN had to push for when the new planes came...but passenger numbers were extremely low.


I also believe it was an issue with pricing, service levels, equipment and timing.

Pricing is an issue with KQ. ET fly this route twice on some days. When KQ terminated then KLM took over the slot. It is only the underlying issues which are affecting KQ's route performance.
ArrestedDev
#6609 Posted : Wednesday, November 16, 2016 10:17:54 AM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
ArrestedDev wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
ArrestedDev wrote:
Spikes wrote:
http://m.moneycontrol.com/news/business/jet-airways-expands-codeshare-pactkenya-airways_7965621.html


The demand is there and if KQ fix pricing they can even fly to these cities offerring passengers a seamless connection. Onward connection from Mumbai is very hectic as the later is a very busy airport.

Wasn't KQ flying direct to Delhi?
Why code-share with Jet to Delhi?

A quick check online shows ET and EK also fly to all 3 "new" cities so why fly KQ/Jet unless it is direct, cheaper, has easier connections or quality?

Since Etihad owns 29% of Jet, what's Eihad's motivation?
Is KQ in play for Etihad as a takeover candidate? [Though that negative equity is scary]


Delhi & Hyderabad via Mumbai for KQ is same as ET and EK. All with a stop over and cheaper. KQ can therefore do the pricing competitively in response to Ethiopian and all the Middle East carriers and in that way net/ attract passengers who could otherwise have left a direct KQ product and go for a stop over.

It is a well calculated move which was long overdue. I hope this idea emanated from the new commercial director. The same applies to Americas via Amsterdam, the renegotiation of the joint venture with KLM, I think should allow KQ to codeshare with United/ American from AMS to all the major American cities. This will make KQ's tickets to America more affordable rather than the current arrangement where KQ is confined to KLM only.
Doesn't Delta [SkyTeam] make more sense for KQ? Why doesn't KQ codeshare with Delta for all of Delta's Paris-US flights? Or even Delta's AMS-USA? Or Delta's LHR-USA?


This is where the agreement with KLM comes into focus.I believe it is restricting KQ in Europe and the whole of North America.

I can recall the codeshare that KQ has with Delta covers west Africa.

Here is the link.

https://www.kenya-airway...lines%20Partnership.pdf
ArrestedDev
#6610 Posted : Wednesday, November 16, 2016 10:19:41 AM
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obiero wrote:
ArrestedDev wrote:
maka wrote:
Spikes wrote:
http://www.routesonline.com/news/38/airlineroute/269774/kenya-airways-updates-ns17-amsterdam-operations/


New KQ chairman MJ is serious in the turnaround. Less than a month and the guy is making profound changes.


But we have been yapping in this thread that the issue is the management lakini peeps never listen...if it wasn't for UK...Mbuvi should have also been sent home...They shouldn't have let Yves go to TAAG....promote him to CEO then sack Musila...Diaz and a few other fellows.


Mbuvi is the only stumbling stone to KQ's prosperity.

I hope a Donald Trump is elected next year.

Mbuvi is the only panacea to KQs struggles


Let's wait and see how it will play out.
VituVingiSana
#6611 Posted : Wednesday, November 16, 2016 10:26:42 AM
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@ArrestedDev - I don't know Kenyan who has flown NBO-ACC-JFK. Perhaps I am mistaken but don't most ex-Kenya folks on KQ fly via Europe (CDG/AMS) to the USA?

The agreement you posted seems more about Liberian pax flying Monrovia-Accra on KQ then onwards to NYC using Delta.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
ArrestedDev
#6612 Posted : Wednesday, November 16, 2016 10:51:47 AM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
@ArrestedDev - I don't know Kenyan who has flown NBO-ACC-JFK. Perhaps I am mistaken but don't most ex-Kenya folks on KQ fly via Europe (CDG/AMS) to the USA?

The agreement you posted seems more about Liberian pax flying Monrovia-Accra on KQ then onwards to NYC using Delta.


Yes,it seems that's the only codeshare agreement KQ has with Delta.In AMS and CDG, KQ relies heavily on KLM and Air France respectively. It is better in CDG since Air France does not fly to NBO but they have applied for a Cargo licence to NBO.
obiero
#6613 Posted : Thursday, November 17, 2016 10:50:42 PM
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From Michael Joseph's mouth http://www.businessdaily...56114-wcwwl1z/index.html

HF 30,000 ABP 3.49; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 23,800 ABP 6.45
VituVingiSana
#6614 Posted : Thursday, November 17, 2016 11:15:14 PM
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[quote=obiero]From Michael Joseph's mouth http://www.businessdaily...6114-wcwwl1z/index.html[/quote]

MJ: "Share price driven (up) by emotions not fundamentals"
[Can't copy and paste the comment so I have paraphrased]
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
ARAP CHARLES
#6615 Posted : Thursday, November 17, 2016 11:37:22 PM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
[quote=obiero]From Michael Joseph's mouth http://www.businessdaily...6114-wcwwl1z/index.html[/quote]

MJ: "Share price driven (up) by emotions not fundamentals"
[Can't copy and paste the comment so I have paraphrased]


Agreed and then price today has started taking position. I love KQ I will one day start buying like how i need the air we breath.
Watch and Listen and Live
sparkly
#6616 Posted : Friday, November 18, 2016 7:13:24 AM
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ARAP CHARLES wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
[quote=obiero]From Michael Joseph's mouth http://www.businessdaily...6114-wcwwl1z/index.html[/quote]

MJ: "Share price driven (up) by emotions not fundamentals"
[Can't copy and paste the comment so I have paraphrased]


Agreed and then price today has started taking position. I love KQ I will one day start buying like how i need the air we breath.


Obiero=Arap Charles
Life is short. Live passionately.
obiero
#6617 Posted : Friday, November 18, 2016 7:32:59 AM
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sparkly wrote:
ARAP CHARLES wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
[quote=obiero]From Michael Joseph's mouth http://www.businessdaily...6114-wcwwl1z/index.html[/quote]

MJ: "Share price driven (up) by emotions not fundamentals"
[Can't copy and paste the comment so I have paraphrased]


Agreed and then price today has started taking position. I love KQ I will one day start buying like how i need the air we breath.


Obiero=Arap Charles

=Lucius

HF 30,000 ABP 3.49; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 23,800 ABP 6.45
sparkly
#6618 Posted : Friday, November 18, 2016 9:10:35 AM
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obiero wrote:
sparkly wrote:
ARAP CHARLES wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
[quote=obiero]From Michael Joseph's mouth http://www.businessdaily...6114-wcwwl1z/index.html[/quote]

MJ: "Share price driven (up) by emotions not fundamentals"
[Can't copy and paste the comment so I have paraphrased]


Agreed and then price today has started taking position. I love KQ I will one day start buying like how i need the air we breath.


Obiero=Arap Charles

=Lucius


That one too or you are triplets Laughing out loudly
Life is short. Live passionately.
actuarywahisa
#6619 Posted : Friday, November 18, 2016 11:05:56 AM
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sparkly wrote:
ARAP CHARLES wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
[quote=obiero]From Michael Joseph's mouth http://www.businessdaily...6114-wcwwl1z/index.html[/quote]

MJ: "Share price driven (up) by emotions not fundamentals"
[Can't copy and paste the comment so I have paraphrased]


Agreed and then price today has started taking position. I love KQ I will one day start buying like how i need the air we breath.


Obiero=Arap Charles


Obiero = Arap Charles = Mbuvi Ngunze Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly
There are too many opportunities all around. Open your eyes and maybe you'll spot one
aemathenge
#6620 Posted : Friday, November 18, 2016 2:32:09 PM
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My favorite extracts from the article/interview: (By the way, what is with Michael Joseph and our peculiar habits?)

Business daily:

KQ pilots have been pushing to have chief executive Mbuvi Ngunze sacked. How secure is his job?

Michael Joseph:

I met our pilots and we had a good discussion. I explained that Mr. Ngunze is important to me at the moment. I am not making this statement forever.

He is in the middle of renegotiating with our financiers to get better terms in order for us to get out of the financial hole we are in. He is critical in that process since he knows and understands these people.


Business daily:

What is your take on the work that McKinsey is doing?

Michael Joseph:

What I have seen from McKinsey is a process and a structure on how to drive improvement in the company. They have an approach that not only identifies the cost savings but gets them as well as revenues.

Kenyans tend to love the status quo. We say this is how we shall get revenues but let us do that tomorrow. I think the opposite is McKinsey’s strength. I am waiting for them to deliver the goods.
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