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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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@otienosmall these countries you mentioned, China and Japan, still supports capital punishment.
How is that? This means that one may take life only "by way of justice and law." Death penalty can be applied by a court as punishment for the most serious of crimes.
Islamic philosophy holds that a harsh punishment serves as a deterrent to serious crimes that harm individual victims, or threaten to destabilize the foundation of society.
The deaths we see in the countries are caused by revolutions. And most of them are politically motivated.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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Muriel wrote:Lol.
Hitler will argue that he was ridding the world of Isaac so that Ishmael can flourish. The failure of the Mujahideen to sustain the momentum should not offset the reward. Surely his contribution will not go to waste?
If Hitler was guilty of killing innocent people, he will face a punishment. Whatever excuse he might have. The Creator of the world sees the heart, not what you say in your mouth.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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otienosmall wrote:hamburglar wrote:Here we go with the stupid religious people again. I am so proud to be an Atheist. While you guys are bombing and executing each other, us Atheists are enjoying our steak lunch at exclusive restaurants laughing hysterically at you religious idiots. I just hope you would all kill each other and leave us in this world alone. That would be bliss. A world full of peace loving Atheists would be amazing. We won't have to live everyday looking over our shoulders to see if some religious nut-job is trying to bomb something. Religions and gods are the stupidest things in this world. How come your gods can't put some sense into your stupid heads? Is it because that maybe these gods don't exist? How come you religious idiots are too dumb to realize that Atheists live very comfortable lives? Don't you ask yourselves why you are always in turmoil while us Atheists are enjoying the good life? Dumbasses. You can't be helped. Continue killing each other, we will be watching your stupidity on Tv and laughing out loud each time you guys kill each other over your imaginary gods.
I concur that religion is the worst thing that ever happened to mankind. Brings a lot of confusion making the world a quagmire of some sort; at times you wonder why the most so called highly religious regions of the world are the most insecure places to live in. Look at Somali with over 90% of population being Muslim believers ‘the religion of peace’ Nigeria >90% either Muslims or Christians yet they can’t coexist and many other examples. I lived in Japan for some years and my experience made me detest Christianity and admired the Japs kind of life. Majority of Japanese don’t believe in the so called gods they trust nature. That if you are good to nature, nature will do you good. This is one place where you will leave your wallet at a market place full of cash and retrieve it later intact with no itchy fingers tempted to touch…it’s amazing yet they don’t shout salvation and religious as we do! It’s actually far much better to live in these so called ‘non religious regions’. I hope we can all believe in doing good and forget these stupid religions…. Then we are told of life after death; I don’t believe in such nonsense once you are dead you are DEAD! period…heaven and hell are all here you make your life miserable by bombing each other and you make yourselves a hell or you decide to use a little brain and coexist and enjoy your heaven. Were religion a ticket to heaven, countries like China with a billion plus people majority of whom don’t fall under the prism of the so called religion would all plunge to hell; it would take a very inconsiderate god to proffer such a mediocre judgement…it’s so ironical coz you guys preach and tell us that god is just
What's China now? Is this your impression of humanity at its best? Don't be impressed by appearances.
I can imagine Chairman Otieno watching a Tibetan monk burning himself to death. Hamburglar, his chief advisor is by his 'right hand side'.
Chairman: Poor religious folk. May
they burn till we have no
more eyesores.
Hamburgl: Yes, we must condemn
such actions, so that they
can increase their rate.
The problem with
religious folk is
stubbornness.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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AlphDoti wrote:@otienosmall these countries you mentioned, China and Japan, still supports capital punishment.
How is that? This means that one may take life only "by way of justice and law." Death penalty can be applied by a court as punishment for the most serious of crimes.
Islamic philosophy holds that a harsh punishment serves as a deterrent to serious crimes that harm individual victims, or threaten to destabilize the foundation of society.
The deaths we see in the countries are caused by revolutions. And most of them are politically motivated.
This, it seems is the justification of the Mujahideen. The Mujahirs were robbed of what was theirs. So restoration and justice are given to the prophets hands and hence the Mujahideen. The aggrieved meting out justice on the infidels who couldn't respect the Mujahir property.
And because in our times the Mujahirs are spread all over the world, the Mujahideen must sweep across the continents to bring the reign of Allah, and justice, and order.
But I'd like to point out several things to you@AlphDoti.
1. The decision to raid the carravans, was based on ideas regarding property. And hence was political. Islam, from the beginning had to assert itself militarily to survive. But which political system doesn't rely on violence to be?
2. The reliance on violence is an exercise in futility. There's no end to the idea of property except on communalism based on universal identity. Right now, Mujahideen in Libya and Syria are fighting against themselves over property.
3. Just as Mohammed the prophet chose what was politically correct on his day, so must the true believer choose what is just and politic for this moment. The Mujahir must see and understand only the whole of humanity can enjoy mutually, what God has provided. To the Somali, to the Palestinian, to the Israeli and the American and Kenyan. Kikuyu or Luo. And it's only when we shed light in brotherhood and love that we can see paradise with our eyes.
Right now, the children suffering in Gaza, and Hama, and elsewhere are doing so because the Mujahideen have failed to win over the infidels. Yet it's in their power to do so, at least on this historical moment.
The fighters should learn to dance.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 5/31/2008 Posts: 1,076
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One thing should be clear
You should not expect any intelligible discourse with a religious zealot.
Whenever their gibberish cross the line, the authorities need to handle them effectively.
Dunia ni msongamano..
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Rank: Member Joined: 10/8/2010 Posts: 281
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tycho wrote:otienosmall wrote:[quote=hamburglar]
What's China now? Is this your impression of humanity at its best? Don't be impressed by appearances.
I can imagine Chairman Otieno watching a Tibetan monk burning himself to death. Hamburglar, his chief advisor is by his 'right hand side'.
Chairman: Poor religious folk. May
they burn till we have no
more eyesores.
Hamburgl: Yes, we must condemn
such actions, so that they
can increase their rate.
The problem with
religious folk is
stubbornness.
@tycho… if you got me right, I did not give China as a model of humanity at its finest. What I alluded to is the fact that it is a large population majority of whom do not adore the gods and thus wondered aloud whether all these will be cast to hell their humanity not withstanding
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/21/2010 Posts: 6,675 Location: Nairobi
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Muriel wrote:Same person came from Sinai, then rose to Seir, then shone from Paran then ,,,,,,
How has it changed from God, to Moses, then Messiah, then Muhammed then Messiah?
Is God = Moses = Messiah = Mohammed = Messiah?
You are the one who needs some understanding when reading the books...
When did God ever come down to earth??
God has only manifested himself through his WORD AND LAW!
Who spread the word and Law?? Moses, Messiah and the Muhammad...
Where did they spread it from?? Sinai, Seir and Paran respectively...
Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/21/2010 Posts: 6,675 Location: Nairobi
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tycho wrote:Reading isn't understanding. And you seem to lack understanding.
@tycho It seems to be you who lacks understanding..
Why are you failing to register that the Messiah has two roles not one??
1. Spread Gospel
2. Save mankind from Anti christ..
The first role was to be done in 0AD and the second one was to be done close to judgement day!
He had the role of spreading the Gospel because he was also a prophet!
And then.. How can an Anti christ exist if Christ never came the first time??
Why are you denying that this Messiah gave clear signs of when his return will be (Earthquakes, wars etc)?? He didn't leave the time up to speculation!
The sequence of events the world is in is ripe for his return!
The Messiah will judge us by the will of God! Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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otienosmall wrote:tycho wrote:otienosmall wrote:[quote=hamburglar]
What's China now? Is this your impression of humanity at its best? Don't be impressed by appearances.
I can imagine Chairman Otieno watching a Tibetan monk burning himself to death. Hamburglar, his chief advisor is by his 'right hand side'.
Chairman: Poor religious folk. May
they burn till we have no
more eyesores.
Hamburgl: Yes, we must condemn
such actions, so that they
can increase their rate.
The problem with
religious folk is
stubbornness.
@tycho… if you got me right, I did not give China as a model of humanity at its finest. What I alluded to is the fact that it is a large population majority of whom do not adore the gods and thus wondered aloud whether all these will be cast to hell their humanity not withstanding
Heaven or hell are political realities. Right now, is 'legalist China' in heaven or hell?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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guru267 wrote:tycho wrote:Reading isn't understanding. And you seem to lack understanding.
@tycho It seems to be you who lacks understanding..
Why are you failing to register that the Messiah has two roles not one??
1. Spread Gospel
2. Save mankind from Anti christ..
The first role was to be done in 0AD and the second one was to be done close to judgement day!
He had the role of spreading the Gospel because he was also a prophet!
And then.. How can an Anti christ exist if Christ never came the first time??
Why are you denying that this Messiah gave clear signs of when his return will be (Earthquakes, wars etc)?? He didn't leave the time up to speculation!
The sequence of events the world is in is ripe for his return!
The Messiah will judge us by the will of God!
What does 'Gospel' mean?
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