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Swenani wrote:Ngalaka wrote:I am told at one point, justice Lenaola ruled on a similar matter as Miguna's regarding another litigant whereupon he asserted that - such a person would have to re-aply to get back their Kenyan citizenship.
If Miguna did that all this back and forth would end. Who told you? Post the orders here Search court cases here I will not take your challenge on that, but you can be sure that is the truth. I don't engage in spin. Isuni yilu yi maa me muyo - ni Mbisuu
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kingfisher wrote:The same order (4) gives one Joshua Miguna Miguna liberty to use his Canadian PP to re-enter and stay in the country until the petition is determined. Why cant he just use that? It is the easier option. And he does not need to give any other reason. Bu he just loves drama. without drama nobody will notice him!! Liberty Quote:the state of being free within society from oppressive restrictions imposed by authority on one's behaviour or political views. If he does that, that's no longer liberty. But if he had presented that before this drama that would have been liberty If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
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Swenani wrote:murchr wrote:Swenani wrote:guru267 wrote:jgithige wrote:hardwood wrote:Swenani wrote:murchr wrote:alma1 wrote:And just like that Miguna Miguna becomes more famous.
No airline can take a rowdy passenger. None. Kenya is about to get that US to Kenya direct flight.
Saa zingine you have to wonder what type of thinking goes on with gov't officials.
Sending goons into the airport without clearance to push a passenger into a plane is the height of sillyness.
If Miguna refuses to go, then what?
By the way, the fella is a Kenyan watu wapende wasipende. Wapost wazua wasipost. Even if you take a piece of paper called a passport. He's still a Kenyan. Get used to it.
Total waste of time when Kenyans have bigger issues to deal with. Like fake honey. No airport can allow an international traveler to pass a point of entry without a passport. This is not a fish market. Miguna would have submitted his Canadian passport which is what he used to travel and ride direct to Nyayo hse for his kenyan passport. JKIA has just passed a test. They've proved to FAA that they can not be intimidated by a bully. Why can't the gaarment use his confiscated Ke PP? Don't they have it Because it was invalidated and destroyed/perforated as it had been acquired illegally. Question if you have a Kenyan ID forget even the passport shouldn't you be allowed into Kenya? In some youtube video one can see Miguna flash out an ID for Kenya @jgithige first issue is that Miguna is holding a Kenyan national ID illegally. Under the old constitution he was supposed to hand in all documents that identify him as Kenyan as soon as he acquired Canadian citizenship. Secondly the Kenyan national ID cannot be used as a travel document except within the EAC excluding Tanzania and Burundi. If he was clever he would have flown from Dubai to Uganda using his Canadian passport and enter Kenya from Uganda using is illegally held National ID. The first before your first, The Judge order ID to issue Miguna with travel docs and facilitate his entry into Kenya...What's your understanding of that order? A visa issued on his Canadian passport is a valid document A visa is not a travel document but a travel facilitation document. ID were required to ISSUE travel docs and FACILITATE his entry back to Kenya Eeh a visa is not a travel document? "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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murchr wrote:Swenani wrote:murchr wrote:Swenani wrote:guru267 wrote:jgithige wrote:hardwood wrote:Swenani wrote:murchr wrote:alma1 wrote:And just like that Miguna Miguna becomes more famous.
No airline can take a rowdy passenger. None. Kenya is about to get that US to Kenya direct flight.
Saa zingine you have to wonder what type of thinking goes on with gov't officials.
Sending goons into the airport without clearance to push a passenger into a plane is the height of sillyness.
If Miguna refuses to go, then what?
By the way, the fella is a Kenyan watu wapende wasipende. Wapost wazua wasipost. Even if you take a piece of paper called a passport. He's still a Kenyan. Get used to it.
Total waste of time when Kenyans have bigger issues to deal with. Like fake honey. No airport can allow an international traveler to pass a point of entry without a passport. This is not a fish market. Miguna would have submitted his Canadian passport which is what he used to travel and ride direct to Nyayo hse for his kenyan passport. JKIA has just passed a test. They've proved to FAA that they can not be intimidated by a bully. Why can't the gaarment use his confiscated Ke PP? Don't they have it Because it was invalidated and destroyed/perforated as it had been acquired illegally. Question if you have a Kenyan ID forget even the passport shouldn't you be allowed into Kenya? In some youtube video one can see Miguna flash out an ID for Kenya @jgithige first issue is that Miguna is holding a Kenyan national ID illegally. Under the old constitution he was supposed to hand in all documents that identify him as Kenyan as soon as he acquired Canadian citizenship. Secondly the Kenyan national ID cannot be used as a travel document except within the EAC excluding Tanzania and Burundi. If he was clever he would have flown from Dubai to Uganda using his Canadian passport and enter Kenya from Uganda using is illegally held National ID. The first before your first, The Judge order ID to issue Miguna with travel docs and facilitate his entry into Kenya...What's your understanding of that order? A visa issued on his Canadian passport is a valid document A visa is not a travel document but a travel facilitation document. ID were required to ISSUE travel docs and FACILITATE his entry back to Kenya Eeh a visa is not a travel document? Present your valid visa in your expired passport to any immigration and report back here If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
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Hehe...Le Generale confronts the Emirates captain...
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Swenani wrote:
@Ngalaka surely, there should be objectivity. If the matter is before the court, why is he being asked to re-apply for citizenship? He can only be deemed a Kenyan non citizen once the court decides so.As of now, he is KENYAN citizen and the same court ordered that he be issued with travel docs and his entry be facilitated ama pia tumefika kwa selective understanding
No, the corect position is; - As at now the matter of his citizenship is contested, disputed by the Govt of Kenya. There are two views, his and Govt's. Only the courts can rule one way or the other. He needs to enter Kenya to carry out his business some of which is litigate over this matter. To enter Kenya he can; 1. Use his Canadian passport 2. Apply to get a Kenyan passport - and the process is laid down as told to him by the Immigration. Isuni yilu yi maa me muyo - ni Mbisuu
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However, methinks there is more than meets the eye here...I dont think UK and RAO want to jeopardise the handshake...this looks like a play from someone very powerful who feels they must undermine the handshake... ama namna gani my fren? Business opportunities are like buses,there's always another one coming
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KulaRaha wrote:However, methinks there is more than meets the eye here...I dont think UK and RAO want to jeopardise the handshake...this looks like a play from someone very powerful who feels they must undermine the handshake...
ama namna gani my fren? mambo ni kujipanga my fren Thieves are not good people. Tumeelewana?
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KulaRaha wrote:However, methinks there is more than meets the eye here...I dont think UK and RAO want to jeopardise the handshake...this looks like a play from someone very powerful who feels they must undermine the handshake...
ama namna gani my fren?  ION Huyu jama anajichimbia kaburi yake ya kisisasa. Those outbursts by Sonko are toxic. In fact the whole Sonko affair - how he bulldozed his way to Jubilee ticket, the way he schemed to 'accept' Igathe as the running mate, only to push him out...... Isuni yilu yi maa me muyo - ni Mbisuu
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KulaRaha wrote:However, methinks there is more than meets the eye here...I dont think UK and RAO want to jeopardise the handshake...this looks like a play from someone very powerful who feels they must undermine the handshake...
ama namna gani my fren? Didn't you see RAO send an SMS and immediately the general was 'escorted'
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Ngalaka wrote:Swenani wrote:
@Ngalaka surely, there should be objectivity. If the matter is before the court, why is he being asked to re-apply for citizenship? He can only be deemed a Kenyan non citizen once the court decides so.As of now, he is KENYAN citizen and the same court ordered that he be issued with travel docs and his entry be facilitated ama pia tumefika kwa selective understanding
No, the corect position is; - As at now the matter of his citizenship is contested, disputed by the Govt of Kenya. There are two views, his and Govt's. Only the courts can rule one way or the other. He needs to enter Kenya to carry out his business some of which is litigate over this matter. To enter Kenya he can; 1. Use his Canadian passport 2. Apply to get a Kenyan passport - and the process is laid down as told to him by the Immigration. So we trash the court orders? If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
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DJ Njagi ako wapi?? He is taking too long.
Toa ngoma DJ "I am not goooing"
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Swenani wrote:Ngalaka wrote:Swenani wrote:
@Ngalaka surely, there should be objectivity. If the matter is before the court, why is he being asked to re-apply for citizenship? He can only be deemed a Kenyan non citizen once the court decides so.As of now, he is KENYAN citizen and the same court ordered that he be issued with travel docs and his entry be facilitated ama pia tumefika kwa selective understanding
No, the corect position is; - As at now the matter of his citizenship is contested, disputed by the Govt of Kenya. There are two views, his and Govt's. Only the courts can rule one way or the other. He needs to enter Kenya to carry out his business some of which is litigate over this matter. To enter Kenya he can; 1. Use his Canadian passport 2. Apply to get a Kenyan passport - and the process is laid down as told to him by the Immigration. So we trash the court orders? I am not persuaded that there are any Court orders that compel the Govt to issue him with a fresh passport. A very broad&liberal reading of what you posted up there might be misconstrued to mean so, but I have other 'ideas' Isuni yilu yi maa me muyo - ni Mbisuu
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And to add to that, if my memory serves me right at one point the Court ordered that the passport be deposited in Court pending the hearing. However 'unfortunately' the passport showed up perforated. From then on, if the Court had wanted Miguna issued with a fresh (un-perforated)passport, nothing would have been easier than saying so. Isuni yilu yi maa me muyo - ni Mbisuu
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Throw him out or put him in kamiti for treason.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
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Ngalaka wrote:And to add to that, if my memory serves me right at one point the Court ordered that the passport be deposited in Court pending the hearing.
However 'unfortunately' the passport showed up perforated.
From then on, if the Court had wanted Miguna issued with a fresh (un-perforated)passport, nothing would have been easier than saying so. That passport was acquired illegally and the courts must not be used to perpetuate an illegality. Miguna cannot hold a valid kenyan passport until he applies for citizenship and he has refused to do so today.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
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Ngalaka wrote:Swenani wrote:Ngalaka wrote:Swenani wrote:
@Ngalaka surely, there should be objectivity. If the matter is before the court, why is he being asked to re-apply for citizenship? He can only be deemed a Kenyan non citizen once the court decides so.As of now, he is KENYAN citizen and the same court ordered that he be issued with travel docs and his entry be facilitated ama pia tumefika kwa selective understanding
No, the corect position is; - As at now the matter of his citizenship is contested, disputed by the Govt of Kenya. There are two views, his and Govt's. Only the courts can rule one way or the other. He needs to enter Kenya to carry out his business some of which is litigate over this matter. To enter Kenya he can; 1. Use his Canadian passport 2. Apply to get a Kenyan passport - and the process is laid down as told to him by the Immigration. So we trash the court orders? I am not persuaded that there are any Court orders that compel the Govt to issue him with a fresh passport. A very broad&liberal reading of what you posted up there might be misconstrued to mean so, but I have other 'ideas' @Ngalaka if court issues court its order on one hand and the gava insist on interpreting in its own manner on the other hand, where are we heading? Are we saying we are a failed state?
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M2 is that special kinda crazy...the kind the ignites movements... Business opportunities are like buses,there's always another one coming
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