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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/22/2009 Posts: 2,449 Location: Africa
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Lolest! wrote:murchr wrote:Bigchick wrote:Shak wrote:Looks like Uhuru watches Carol Mutoko's blog. They've changed the name of the sgr to Madaraka express Of course it had a name but Mutoko na kimbelembele yake could not wait.It was to be unveiled the last minute. You must be a very evil woman.. Wivu yako ni ya hali ya juu auuuiiii  
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/29/2011 Posts: 2,242
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Fullykenyan wrote:Will this Train havepolicemen in all the coaches? I am scared that Terrotists ccould take advantage of the usual slow response of the kenyan police, to slaughter passengers, once the train leaves either Nrb or Mombasa @Fullykenyan, Wacha uoga. I great idea like this one , even the alshetanis will enjoy the ride rather than disrupt it. Good concern though "Things that matter most must never be at the mercy of things that matter least." Goethe
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Rank: Member Joined: 7/27/2014 Posts: 560 Location: Eastlando
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Gathige wrote:Fullykenyan wrote:Will this Train havepolicemen in all the coaches? I am scared that Terrotists ccould take advantage of the usual slow response of the kenyan police, to slaughter passengers, once the train leaves either Nrb or Mombasa @Fullykenyan, Wacha uoga. I great idea like this one , even the alshetanis will enjoy the ride rather than disrupt it. Good concern though Boss, i hope mashetani will rather enjoy the ride and not think of evil stuff. In my bag, i always have a big screw driver, whenever i ride a train, just incase madimoni appear. A screw driver is a concealed weapon, that is not outlawed
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/10/2008 Posts: 9,131 Location: Kanjo
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FRM2011 wrote:Iganamagana wrote:Gathige wrote:Has anyone ever set up a business and not made a provision for recurrent expenditure till the business breaks even? Why do you want the GOK to be any different? Wewe enda njenga boma ya kuku na ununue kuku halafu ungonjee zitage mayai bila kuweka pesa ya mfanyi kazi, chakula na dawa! Railroad has never been a profitable business worldwide. India, with the largest and most complex railway network is a purely state affair. [/quote The ripple effect on the economy is what matters. Even the toll roads in developed economies have some investment from the exchequer to be sustainable. The toll fee only maintains the roads but are not geared towards profit making. Ati atia ? Have you looked at the feasibility study ? Done by the same contractor ? The president has been telling us its a game changer. That it will reduce transport costs by 60%. Now I have just seen the "discounted" prices for the cargo. 50K for a 20ft container. We have a gentleman called @Mkimwa on this forum. He is a veteran trucker. He can do a 20 ft container @50K to your doorstep upto Thika. For SGR, please add another 30K for the last mile trip to your doorstep. Again I ask, is the game-changing aspect of the SGR in addressing capacity challenges or in competitive pricing ? On these two it falls short. it costs around 100k to transport a container from Mbsa to Nairobi. Dont be ignorant. I have done it several times. Now it's going to be half price, roads spared, congestion eliminated, guys can do more business...Joho of all people will receive more tourists...I could go on forever. i.am.back!!!!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/8/2013 Posts: 4,068 Location: At Large.
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murchr wrote:Bigchick wrote:Shak wrote:Looks like Uhuru watches Carol Mutoko's blog. They've changed the name of the sgr to Madaraka express Of course it had a name but Mutoko na kimbelembele yake could not wait.It was to be unveiled the last minute. You must be a very evil woman.. Wivu yako ni ya hali ya juu Oh my!Wivu ya nini sasa?I cannot be Carol and she cannot be me.She is a celeb and am not. You mean saying she has kimbelembele is evil and smacks of wivu?I did not know that.You seem to have been hurt,pole. Love is beautiful and so are those who share it.With Love, Marriage is an amazing event in ones life time, the foundation of joy, happiness and success.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2009 Posts: 26,330 Location: Masada
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Gathige wrote:Iganamagana wrote:Has anyone ever set up a business and not made a provision for recurrent expenditure till the business breaks even? Why do you want the GOK to be any different? Wewe enda njenga boma ya kuku na ununue kuku halafu ungonjee zitage mayai bila kuweka pesa ya mfanyi kazi, chakula na dawa! Railroad has never been a profitable business worldwide. India, with the largest and most complex railway network is a purely state affair. Correct that and say "passenger rail service"...the freight is very profitable worldwide...however a few passenger lines are profitable like the the ones in Holland,Scandinavia and Swiss... Portfolio: Sold
You know you've made it when you get a parking space for your yatcht.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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Bigchick wrote:murchr wrote:Bigchick wrote:Shak wrote:Looks like Uhuru watches Carol Mutoko's blog. They've changed the name of the sgr to Madaraka express Of course it had a name but Mutoko na kimbelembele yake could not wait.It was to be unveiled the last minute. You must be a very evil woman.. Wivu yako ni ya hali ya juu Oh my!Wivu ya nini sasa? I cannot be Carol and she cannot be me.She is a celeb and am not.You mean saying she has kimbelembele is evil and smacks of wivu? YES I did not know that.You seem to have been hurt,pole. The President acknowledged to have watched Carols video and said he would do something about it. Wewe a nobody seem to know that there were "plans" (that did not exist - the programs and fliers were out faded and poorly done as the usual stuff that comes from Govt press ) of calling it Madaraka express...sasa kimbelembele ni nani? "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/7/2012 Posts: 11,929
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Madaraka express ilifika? Huku 44 they are still hoping ......... In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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Impunity wrote:Gathige wrote:Iganamagana wrote:Has anyone ever set up a business and not made a provision for recurrent expenditure till the business breaks even? Why do you want the GOK to be any different? Wewe enda njenga boma ya kuku na ununue kuku halafu ungonjee zitage mayai bila kuweka pesa ya mfanyi kazi, chakula na dawa! Railroad has never been a profitable business worldwide. India, with the largest and most complex railway network is a purely state affair. Correct that and say "passenger rail service"...the freight is very profitable worldwide...however a few passenger lines are profitable like the the ones in Holland,Scandinavia and Swiss... RailRoads make lots of money otherwise Buffet and Bill gates wouldnt invest heavily in them. "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2009 Posts: 26,330 Location: Masada
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kingfisher wrote:vky wrote:Impunity wrote:Now PORK and his abled DP ill board this inaugural (spl) ride from Coast to Nairobi tomorrow, I wonder what will be in their mind!
By the way have you seen some of those major stations? They are YUGE and beautiful but I am surprise the CS Transie said we will only have one train per day one way each...
Who will use all those magnificie facilities? The night lights, the air-coned waiting lounges, the YUGE platforms etal?
This means the lounges will be used only for a maximum of say 1 hour and remain deserted for the next 23 hours.
Anyone of you ever visited the Syokimau commuter train station? Its in a state of disrepair due to underutilization plus utter NEGLET! Yet it get occupied at least 3 hours a day!
The type of the train stations built by these Chinese were fully based on the China model of mass transport...those stations require several trains per day, operation every 30 mins on the minimum.
Otherwise we will see some of the rare white elephants that we thought had become extinct!
good observation there, on the passenger side of things one can easily speculate with some measure of certainty that when the novelty of the SGR quiets down we shall begin to see those white elephants roaming around and this speculation is given more credence by the fact that govt has subsidized the commercial operations of the rail to the tune of 15b all this being to the detriment of the taxpayer, if we had a double track then one would reasonably speculate that those white elephants would be kept at bay. Double tracks?? do you guys know how trains operates? talk of GOOD intersections and I will listen. Yes we know what we talk about. Double track is good for high traffic areas like high the commuter sections...it saves time,it's safer,and makes trains move more timely. But mombasa Nairobi section traffic may not warranty double track. Yes we know our facts Portfolio: Sold
You know you've made it when you get a parking space for your yatcht.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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Wako Athi River. Big rally live on tv I think Uhuruto decided to turn it to a railway stations campaign circuit
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2009 Posts: 26,330 Location: Masada
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murchr wrote:Impunity wrote:Gathige wrote:Iganamagana wrote:Has anyone ever set up a business and not made a provision for recurrent expenditure till the business breaks even? Why do you want the GOK to be any different? Wewe enda njenga boma ya kuku na ununue kuku halafu ungonjee zitage mayai bila kuweka pesa ya mfanyi kazi, chakula na dawa! Railroad has never been a profitable business worldwide. India, with the largest and most complex railway network is a purely state affair. Correct that and say "passenger rail service"...the freight is very profitable worldwide...however a few passenger lines are profitable like the the ones in Holland,Scandinavia and Swiss... RailRoads make lots of money otherwise Buffet and Bill gates wouldnt invest heavily in them. Yep. Freighters do make lotsa chums. Portfolio: Sold
You know you've made it when you get a parking space for your yatcht.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/10/2008 Posts: 9,131 Location: Kanjo
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Lolest! wrote:Wako Athi River. Big rally live on tv I think Uhuruto decided to turn it to a railway stations campaign circuit i expect baba to follow same footsteps a week from now, telling people this was his project. i.am.back!!!!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/7/2012 Posts: 11,929
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harrydre wrote:Lolest! wrote:Wako Athi River. Big rally live on tv I think Uhuruto decided to turn it to a railway stations campaign circuit i expect baba to follow same footsteps a week from now, telling people this was his project. Baba never a copycat  In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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harrydre wrote:Lolest! wrote:Wako Athi River. Big rally live on tv I think Uhuruto decided to turn it to a railway stations campaign circuit i expect baba to follow same footsteps a week from now, telling people this was his project. He said this was his dream "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Member Joined: 1/27/2012 Posts: 851 Location: Nairobi
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harrydre wrote:FRM2011 wrote:Iganamagana wrote:Gathige wrote:Has anyone ever set up a business and not made a provision for recurrent expenditure till the business breaks even? Why do you want the GOK to be any different? Wewe enda njenga boma ya kuku na ununue kuku halafu ungonjee zitage mayai bila kuweka pesa ya mfanyi kazi, chakula na dawa! Railroad has never been a profitable business worldwide. India, with the largest and most complex railway network is a purely state affair. [/quote The ripple effect on the economy is what matters. Even the toll roads in developed economies have some investment from the exchequer to be sustainable. The toll fee only maintains the roads but are not geared towards profit making. Ati atia ? Have you looked at the feasibility study ? Done by the same contractor ? The president has been telling us its a game changer. That it will reduce transport costs by 60%. Now I have just seen the "discounted" prices for the cargo. 50K for a 20ft container. We have a gentleman called @Mkimwa on this forum. He is a veteran trucker. He can do a 20 ft container @50K to your doorstep upto Thika. For SGR, please add another 30K for the last mile trip to your doorstep. Again I ask, is the game-changing aspect of the SGR in addressing capacity challenges or in competitive pricing ? On these two it falls short. it costs around 100k to transport a container from Mbsa to Nairobi. Dont be ignorant. I have done it several times. Now it's going to be half price, roads spared, congestion eliminated, guys can do more business...Joho of all people will receive more tourists...I could go on forever. @Harrydre. Which container size will KR be charging 50k? A 20ft or a 40ft? Currently road charge for a 40ft high cube is between 80k & 90k. 100k is for overloaded containers, over 30tons. How much will be trucking from ICD to the door? My bet would be between 20k~30k.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 11/15/2011 Posts: 4,518
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It's the Weight and not size of a container that determines its price. 20ft light can cost as little as 50k of its co-loaded (2×20ft)on a 40ft truck Same applies if the trucker is doing a return trip..say he dropped a container at mombasa and has no other load to carry back to nbo. 20ft heavy will carry the price of a 40ft because it cannot be co-loaded. Minimum Transport cost for a heavy 20ft and 40ft= 80k from MBA to NBO. ( sasa uhuru ameharibu hapa☺ We cannot rule out the truckers because rail will deliver to ICD and client has to make othet transport arrangements to door.Approx 15-25k within city limits. Now the main challenge with rail freight are delays encountered during wagon allocations at the port. If KPA fail to deliver on their part the train will not be of any help to business people. The people who will feel the pinch are the bus companies esp those with Kungunis. "The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 9/21/2011 Posts: 2,032
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Harrydre, who will be operating the rail? The money that truck owners and bus owners used to make and invest in economy, this is the money SGR operator will make, who is the operator and how do we get this money to circulate?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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sitaki.kujulikana wrote:kayhara wrote:kollabo wrote:Hope they can do a Natgeo style documentary about this. No one in kenya has the patience to do it, plus you won't be allowed into meetings where th variations are discussed, like they do in the Natgeo. Its not about patience or being allowed into meetings, such productions are not in demand in kenya and they will not recoup the investment that would go into such a venture. Kenyans love gossip, rumors and political mud slinging. we are allergic to facts. Posted : Tuesday, January 12, 2016 Na part one imeisha ivyo with our local media showing and speculating on nonsence even LAPSSET itaenda hivyo tu. "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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