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famooz		#301 Posted : Saturday, January 25, 2020 3:55:35 PM
Rank: Elder Joined: 11/19/2007 Posts: 2,047		Hi Alma! Long time. But BBI2 has been announced. Since the regional meetings started we have been told they will insert the post of (executive?) PM and 2 Deputies.this was not in BBI1. Its been pronounced even today in Mombasa.Ukweli urongo Usiwekwe box by political waves Do you honestly think lack of positiosn for the elite is is what is ailing Kenya? As it is, we are over represented, the wage bill is unmanageable, Kenyans are barely making heads meet etc., so my question is, why do we need to create more positions for politicians ? Why do we need to be put in an electioneering mode at this stage? Juzi I was at home, do you how much money my mum got from coffee? 3000 kshs for the whole harvest. Enda umwambie mambo ya BBI nonsense. It has been said and i really admire Karua for her stance . She said from the beginning that the issue we have in Kenya is impunity - a complete of respect for the constitution. Then she asked, why we want to it even before we implement it fully ? I am of the same mind and this is why i see BBI as a waste of resources and energy. Wajingasisi.
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Queen		#302 Posted : Saturday, January 25, 2020 3:59:03 PM
Rank: Member Joined: 11/21/2018 Posts: 564 Location: Britain		Lolest! wrote: kaka2za wrote: murchr wrote: 2012 wrote: BBI is baba's political alliance and party for 2022 Its unfortunate and a shame Uhuru has decided to burn money on such a useless worthless cause as Kenyans suffer. I am confused now. Are the Otangatanga for or against the BBI? Against. But they aren't ready for a fight for now Thus far, they are not against it. However when the BBI-2 is unleashed, the noise from their end shall be unbearable. You can take this to the bank.
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famooz		#303 Posted : Saturday, January 25, 2020 4:00:06 PM
Rank: Elder Joined: 11/19/2007 Posts: 2,047		alma1 wrote: famooz wrote: tinker wrote: famooz wrote: It is very disconcerting to watch what is going on in Kenya. Uhuru did not have to support Ruto to be president. In the same vein, he has no right to stop him. He is putting the country in electioneering mode at this time, when we have more than 2 years to elections. It is pity,really, to see how Kenyans are suffering and all that Uhuru and all other politicians are talking about is BBI( sharing power). Uhuru goes to Central and says there should be no campaigns , then goes ahead and sanctions BBI meetings = campaigns . How is this supposed to unit the country ? Only Uhuru can stop this madness ( at least until 2021) or Kenyans who really know what wajingasisi is. What a failure ? It is very unfair to blame UMK for the 2nd round of BBI politics, we all know he was genuinely requesting his DP to tone down but he showed him middle finger. Uhuru is simply reacting to DP's constant politiking and stealing his Bedroom. UMK realised the country economy has totally failed under his stewardship and his political ground[bedroom] was shifting fast. Tangatanga team was riding rough on him. Since he cannot do anything significant to save the economy in the remaining 2 years, he has decided to save face with BBI-2 and use it to teach Mashamba a lesson. In the meantime werevu sisi are cheering left, right and center. OH my goodness. BBI2 is all well planned by uhuru /Raila and their enablers. The idea is to alter the first document to include execute pm and deputies. That's all. Didn't you hear the declarations in the last meeting? Open your eyes, demand good leadership and stop cheering nonsense. Martha Karua is among the first few politicians to ask that the constitution be implemented and not looking for excuses for poor governance Wajingasisi My dear...Mtatii. Go to the meetings and say your mind...Lakini, hii mtatii. Uliza tanga tanga. And there's no BBI 1 or 2...Hiyo ni mambo ya Itumbi. I heard Ruto saying BBI 2. Listen. These guys in tanga tanga f***ed up. They will never recover....Wait until Uhuru goes to Central... Mtajua hamjui. Kitaeweleka. Hehehe, huyu ni wewe kweli? I would expect you to prosecute the ethics of it, less the politics of it. The politics is that the elite want positions for themselves, wewe kama Mkenya, unataka nini? Full time politics or services?. Do you think what is happening right now is for the good of the country ?
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alma1		#304 Posted : Saturday, January 25, 2020 4:15:07 PM
Rank: Elder Joined: 9/19/2015 Posts: 2,871 Location: hapo		famooz wrote: Hi Alma! Long time. But BBI2 has been announced. Since the regional meetings started we have been told they will insert the post of (executive?) PM and 2 Deputies.this was not in BBI1. Its been pronounced even today in Mombasa.Ukweli urongo Usiwekwe box by political waves Do you honestly think lack of positiosn for the elite is is what is ailing Kenya? As it is, we are over represented, the wage bill is unmanageable, Kenyans are barely making heads meet etc., so my question is, why do we need to create more positions for politicians ? Why do we need to be put in an electioneering mode at this stage? Juzi I was at home, do you how much money my mum got from coffee? 3000 kshs for the whole harvest. Enda umwambie mambo ya BBI nonsense. It has been said and i really admire Karua for her stance . She said from the beginning that the issue we have in Kenya is impunity - a complete of respect for the constitution. Then she asked, why we want to it even before we implement it fully ? I am of the same mind and this is why i see BBI as a waste of resources and energy. Wajingasisi. By the way, when you get back, coffee. These are politicians... I believe that Kenya has fundamental issues to the core. One of them is following these Murchr bank rollers. Liars to the core. You know I never supported Uhuru or Raila and told you what Jubilee will do to the economy. They have done it exactly as I said. But right now I'm telling you, Tanga tanga are worse. Let us take advantage of this BBI thing and say your piece and keep your peace. I support BBI simply because I can say what I want especially the one man one vote issue. Not for Uhuru or Raila. But because we shall never get a chance like this again. Can you imagine Grand Mulla as AG, Murkomen as minister of interior, Kiunjuri back in gricasha, Sudi as trade, Aisha Jumwa as justice minister, Itumbi as CS interior? Let's be serious for a moment. I never supported Uhuru but surely the guy got saved after seeing Didi nyoro posting on FB and Alice Wahome screaming. We shall never have another chance to change the laws and constitution. Wachana na Murchr who was here telling us about the virtues of Huduma number. I am for the people. I believe in my heart, we shall never ever have another opportunity like this one. Especially if this thug convinces stupid Kenya voters that he really did not steal land from a primary school to build Weston with money he borrowed using Amaco that has never paid any single claim. Ruto charo nefa mbe. Let's vote Susan Kihika. Thieves are not good people. Tumeelewana?
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famooz		#305 Posted : Saturday, January 25, 2020 6:10:51 PM
Rank: Elder Joined: 11/19/2007 Posts: 2,047		Ok @Alma, yes to coffee. Lakini i disagree with all your points. I refuse to believe that only a section of politicians allied to DP William Ruto are the cause of all our problems. They are all part of the system, designed for a few - they are players in the game.If that were your only metric, you would also look at the other side and see the rot. So i think we shouldn't say its about nani ako msafi, no one is! Maybe only Karua ? If she forms a strong coalition with the likes of Aukot ( mimi niko kwa punguza mzigo btw) , we can say about usafi, but looking at main players, please dont tell me about Sudi and Jumwa, i will tell you about Joho and Waiguru and all of them. So lets have that coffee nisikie your motivation. Wapi @ Kingfisher ?
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alma1		#306 Posted : Saturday, January 25, 2020 6:22:34 PM
Rank: Elder Joined: 9/19/2015 Posts: 2,871 Location: hapo		famooz wrote: Ok @Alma, yes to coffee. Lakini i disagree with all your points. I refuse to believe that only a section of politicians allied to DP William Ruto are the cause of all our problems. They are all part of the system, designed for a few - they are players in the game.If that were your only metric, you would also look at the other side and see the rot. So i think we shouldn't say its about nani ako msafi, no one is! Maybe only Karua ? If she forms a strong coalition with the likes of Aukot ( mimi niko kwa punguza mzigo btw) , we can say about usafi, but looking at main players, please dont tell me about Sudi and Jumwa, i will tell you about Joho and Waiguru and all of them. So lets have that coffee nisikie your motivation. Wapi @ Kingfisher ? my fren as Looto would say. I don't care who's president. That was their life goal not mine. Mine is to take care of my peoples. These guys are thieves. Then they pay Nyakundi, Alai and Murchr to push a subject. If you asked Murchr what he stands for, he'll tell you, it depends on what he's being paid. Me and you have other issues. I don't think there's an evil person in tanga tanga. I just believe they lie without caring... I mean just yesterday, Looto said he had never attended a political rally. Liars and they have theives for friends. These people should not be allowed anywhere near power. If we think it's bad, it shall surely be worse. I know the people of Kiambu voted for Waititu coz sijui Kabogo talked about women's tits. So they voted against Kabogo to annoy him. That's the character of a Kenyan voter. DP is a problem. All his friends are thieves being arrested every week. I have nothing against Karua. Only that fake account from Kitengela has that issue. I don't vote for personalities coz we all have issues. But I will say this again and again and again. The Looto brigade has no problem with lying in public. Haya hawana. These people, giving them an opportunity in gov't. Do you know just today, Murkomen, Murkomen called baba baba. He said that he has no problem with referrendum. These people famooz are liars and thieves. Let us support them when they see the light, but let us not believe they care. And let them stop paying for mbroggers. And I still will never efa efa vote for Uhuru to become president. I have proof he's a failure Sasa if you give me the maize eating guy from Sugoi, you are jocking. Thieves are not good people. Tumeelewana?
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Lolest!		#307 Posted : Saturday, January 25, 2020 6:26:20 PM
Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma		Queen wrote: Lolest! wrote: kaka2za wrote: murchr wrote: 2012 wrote: BBI is baba's political alliance and party for 2022 Its unfortunate and a shame Uhuru has decided to burn money on such a useless worthless cause as Kenyans suffer. I am confused now. Are the Otangatanga for or against the BBI? Against. But they aren't ready for a fight for now Thus far they are not against. However when BBI-2 is unleashed, the noise from their end shall be unbearable. This you can take to the bank. Seen a video of Sudi saying they're not opposing it no matter the changes. He said they view BBI referendum calls as a trap and they won't fall for it. They will back BBI regardless of its form.
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Lolest!		#308 Posted : Saturday, January 25, 2020 6:32:06 PM
Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma		Listened to sections of the BBI meeting at the coast It sounded like early campaigns for Raila I've seen a pattern. Kisii, Kakamega, Mombasa... next I hear it's Kitui All pro Raila regions (at least per last polls) Nice strategy
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murchr		#309 Posted : Saturday, January 25, 2020 6:38:49 PM
Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980		famooz wrote: Ok @Alma, yes to coffee. Lakini i disagree with all your points. I refuse to believe that only a section of politicians allied to DP William Ruto are the cause of all our problems. They are all part of the system, designed for a few - they are players in the game.If that were your only metric, you would also look at the other side and see the rot. So i think we shouldn't say its about nani ako msafi, no one is! Maybe only Karua ? If she forms a strong coalition with the likes of Aukot ( mimi niko kwa punguza mzigo btw) , we can say about usafi, but looking at main players, please dont tell me about Sudi and Jumwa, i will tell you about Joho and Waiguru and all of them. So lets have that coffee nisikie your motivation. Wapi @ Kingfisher ? Its amazing how incoherent @alma has become. Jubilee issues were not brought about by Ruto. Focus. The money crisis was brought about by a Kiambu MP who felt that banks were profiting too much from issuing loans. Uhuru, despite all the warnings from experts signed that shit into law to experiment what would happen. The result? Credit became scarce, businesses cannot operate, job losses etc...it will take another 10 years to revamp that sector. The story of coffee is similar to that of tea (atleast tea some international players help) sugar, maize, milk, eggs, etc. Browse wazua...every year we are here complaining about how govt policy is hogwash. remember in Nov Kiunjuri was thinking of importing maize..do those policy decisions originate from cabinet? As we approach 2022 the farmer will be the target as usual with unexplained loans. By the way, what happened to the 906M given to miraa farmers? As much as Agriculture is important to Kenya, there has been no expert appointed in that ministry. FAO predicted that we'll get an invasion of locust what did they govt do? NOTHING...so that they can embarrass Kiunjuri. The menace is too much now even Munya can do nothing. So alma answer famooz...what will the PM & DPM position do to help? #Wajingasisi "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore .
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alma1		#310 Posted : Saturday, January 25, 2020 6:40:48 PM
Rank: Elder Joined: 9/19/2015 Posts: 2,871 Location: hapo		Lolest! wrote: Listened to sections of the BBI meeting at the coast It sounded like early campaigns for Raila I've seen a pattern. Kisii, Kakamega, Mombasa... next I hear it's Kitui All pro Raila regions (at least per last polls) Nice strategy In this forum you are the epitome of a liar. You always pretend to be neutral and every time I tell you...You personally are very very cheap. What pattern? Your fren said and categorically said he shall not participate. Your fren, hired Khalwale to say that Musalia would go to Mumias. Kikiaumana. Kikaeleweka. Ati a partern. I am telling Ruto again. You were lied to. I told you to go full force with Punguza Mzigo bill. You listened to these people next to you. I will tell you again Mr. Ruto...I promise you, utabaki peke yako tena. Hakuna ground iko different. Huko central ndio utalia. Utalia sana... Wachana na wakora kama Murchr na . They will eat your money every day. Ground iko different. Talk to me Mr. Ruto. Hire me. At least I'll tell you the truth. Thieves are not good people. Tumeelewana?
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