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Ericsson wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:Ericsson wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:Ericsson wrote:Kenya Reinsurance has put a tender for sale of Reinsurance Plaza Kisumu. Reserve price Ksh.1 billion  Sell and pay a dividend  Are there buyers at that price in this market? The rich Indians from Kisumu or government though the process may take time to conclude. Part of the proceeds may also be used to put up their new commercial building (twin towers) in Upper Hill There are many rich Luos who can buy it. Using the proceeds to build a new commercial building in Upper Hill, in the near future, would be STUPID and CRIMINAL. The proceeds should be invested in the stock market if the prices remain low. The best is to pay out a dividend. Next best is a share buyback. https://www.businessdail...insurance-plaza-3299332
@vvs. There you have it; ""The reason (for sale) is strategic reinvestment," Kenya Re chief executive Jadiah Mwaraniah said in response to the Business Daily queries without divulging further details." They will not use the proceeds to payout a dividend and highly unlikely stocks. The main shareholder(GOK) with 60%,is in distress of cash for referendum,budget 2021/2022 and general election 2022.They could be pushing to get this cash. They pushed safaricom to declare an interim dividend. https://www.businessdail...rastatals-money-3296618
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/4/2009 Posts: 10,747 Location: NAIROBI
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Ebenyo wrote:Ericsson wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:Ericsson wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:Ericsson wrote:Kenya Reinsurance has put a tender for sale of Reinsurance Plaza Kisumu. Reserve price Ksh.1 billion  Sell and pay a dividend  Are there buyers at that price in this market? The rich Indians from Kisumu or government though the process may take time to conclude. Part of the proceeds may also be used to put up their new commercial building (twin towers) in Upper Hill There are many rich Luos who can buy it. Using the proceeds to build a new commercial building in Upper Hill, in the near future, would be STUPID and CRIMINAL. The proceeds should be invested in the stock market if the prices remain low. The best is to pay out a dividend. Next best is a share buyback. https://www.businessdail...insurance-plaza-3299332
@vvs. There you have it; ""The reason (for sale) is strategic reinvestment," Kenya Re chief executive Jadiah Mwaraniah said in response to the Business Daily queries without divulging further details." They will not use the proceeds to payout a dividend and highly unlikely stocks. The main shareholder(GOK) with 60%,is in distress of cash for referendum,budget 2021/2022 and general election 2022.They could be pushing to get this cash. They pushed safaricom to declare an interim dividend. https://www.businessdail...rastatals-money-3296618
Can't rely on this since they ain't sure they will get a buyer. Safaricom is a different case since it doesn't have financial regulatory compliances Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,155 Location: Nairobi
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Ericsson wrote:Ebenyo wrote:Ericsson wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:Ericsson wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:Ericsson wrote:Kenya Reinsurance has put a tender for sale of Reinsurance Plaza Kisumu. Reserve price Ksh.1 billion  Sell and pay a dividend  Are there buyers at that price in this market? The rich Indians from Kisumu or government though the process may take time to conclude. Part of the proceeds may also be used to put up their new commercial building (twin towers) in Upper Hill There are many rich Luos who can buy it. Using the proceeds to build a new commercial building in Upper Hill, in the near future, would be STUPID and CRIMINAL. The proceeds should be invested in the stock market if the prices remain low. The best is to pay out a dividend. Next best is a share buyback. https://www.businessdail...insurance-plaza-3299332
@vvs. There you have it; ""The reason (for sale) is strategic reinvestment," Kenya Re chief executive Jadiah Mwaraniah said in response to the Business Daily queries without divulging further details." They will not use the proceeds to payout a dividend and highly unlikely stocks. The main shareholder(GOK) with 60%,is in distress of cash for referendum,budget 2021/2022 and general election 2022.They could be pushing to get this cash. They pushed safaricom to declare an interim dividend. https://www.businessdail...rastatals-money-3296618
Can't rely on this since they ain't sure they will get a buyer. Safaricom is a different case since it doesn't have financial regulatory compliances Kenya Re is over-capitalized for the size of its business. It is earning low returns on its cash (deposits, T-Bills). The sale of the property is a matter for 2021. The dividend is for FY2020. BUT the IRA can block a dividend. Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/4/2009 Posts: 10,747 Location: NAIROBI
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VituVingiSana wrote:Ericsson wrote:Ebenyo wrote:Ericsson wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:Ericsson wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:Ericsson wrote:Kenya Reinsurance has put a tender for sale of Reinsurance Plaza Kisumu. Reserve price Ksh.1 billion  Sell and pay a dividend  Are there buyers at that price in this market? The rich Indians from Kisumu or government though the process may take time to conclude. Part of the proceeds may also be used to put up their new commercial building (twin towers) in Upper Hill There are many rich Luos who can buy it. Using the proceeds to build a new commercial building in Upper Hill, in the near future, would be STUPID and CRIMINAL. The proceeds should be invested in the stock market if the prices remain low. The best is to pay out a dividend. Next best is a share buyback. https://www.businessdail...insurance-plaza-3299332
@vvs. There you have it; ""The reason (for sale) is strategic reinvestment," Kenya Re chief executive Jadiah Mwaraniah said in response to the Business Daily queries without divulging further details." They will not use the proceeds to payout a dividend and highly unlikely stocks. The main shareholder(GOK) with 60%,is in distress of cash for referendum,budget 2021/2022 and general election 2022.They could be pushing to get this cash. They pushed safaricom to declare an interim dividend. https://www.businessdail...rastatals-money-3296618
Can't rely on this since they ain't sure they will get a buyer. Safaricom is a different case since it doesn't have financial regulatory compliances Kenya Re is over-capitalized for the size of its business. It is earning low returns on its cash (deposits, T-Bills). The sale of the property is a matter for 2021. The dividend is for FY2020. BUT the IRA can block a dividend. Proceeds is for strategic reinvestment meaning. What is this strategic investment they want to pursue that they can't use the available cash? Is is acquisition of a stake in a reinsurer? Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/4/2009 Posts: 10,747 Location: NAIROBI
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VituVingiSana wrote:Ericsson wrote:Ebenyo wrote:Ericsson wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:Ericsson wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:Ericsson wrote:Kenya Reinsurance has put a tender for sale of Reinsurance Plaza Kisumu. Reserve price Ksh.1 billion  Sell and pay a dividend  Are there buyers at that price in this market? The rich Indians from Kisumu or government though the process may take time to conclude. Part of the proceeds may also be used to put up their new commercial building (twin towers) in Upper Hill There are many rich Luos who can buy it. Using the proceeds to build a new commercial building in Upper Hill, in the near future, would be STUPID and CRIMINAL. The proceeds should be invested in the stock market if the prices remain low. The best is to pay out a dividend. Next best is a share buyback. https://www.businessdail...insurance-plaza-3299332
@vvs. There you have it; ""The reason (for sale) is strategic reinvestment," Kenya Re chief executive Jadiah Mwaraniah said in response to the Business Daily queries without divulging further details." They will not use the proceeds to payout a dividend and highly unlikely stocks. The main shareholder(GOK) with 60%,is in distress of cash for referendum,budget 2021/2022 and general election 2022.They could be pushing to get this cash. They pushed safaricom to declare an interim dividend. https://www.businessdail...rastatals-money-3296618
Can't rely on this since they ain't sure they will get a buyer. Safaricom is a different case since it doesn't have financial regulatory compliances Kenya Re is over-capitalized for the size of its business. It is earning low returns on its cash (deposits, T-Bills). The sale of the property is a matter for 2021. The dividend is for FY2020. BUT the IRA can block a dividend. Properties investment is 31% of their total assets. This is above the 30% limit. Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
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Rank: Member Joined: 12/24/2008 Posts: 112
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Would prefer that they paid a better dividend for 2020 rather than spending loads of money advertising 50 years in business on billboards around town as if they are manufacturers of some soap or cooking oil or some other FMCG! After all, when does the public walk into their offices to purchase re-insurance?
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,155 Location: Nairobi
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/4/2009 Posts: 10,747 Location: NAIROBI
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Amekasirika yake yote Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,155 Location: Nairobi
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Ericsson wrote: Amekasirika yake yote I support @ElephantMan 100%. Pay more in dividends. Or use the "billboard advertising" to reach out and support its clients/staff/brokers. Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 8/10/2014 Posts: 984 Location: Kenya
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Rank: Member Joined: 12/24/2008 Posts: 112
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For a re-insurance company that has enjoyed the benefit of compulsory cessions from Gava (i.e. the taxpayer) since its inception, minority shareholders have very little to show other than tiny dividends and the odd bonus here or there (cutting my cake into smaller pieces, then trying to cheat me by saying that I now have more pieces of cake - nkt)!
Advertising on billboards is a pure 'procurement play' - no perceived benefit to Kenya-Re or its shareholders - benefit is to whichever billboard company that they are using. Board and MD are not in the know? Question of competence, if not integrity.
Their CSR (Niko fiti) is towards persons with physical disability. I have no quarrel with that - in fact I fully support it. I just need them to know that right now many of their shareholders are financially disabled!
The share price for this company has underperformed (on a PE basis) it's peers in the industry as well as the market as a whole for many years! So what is there to celebrate about being in business for 50 years?
GoK is suffering without money at the moment so this is the right time that Gava either divests from it or gives it out to 'professional' managers to run, given the paucity of returns from the current bunch at the trough.
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,155 Location: Nairobi
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Elephant Man wrote:For a re-insurance company that has enjoyed the benefit of compulsory cessions from Gava (i.e. the taxpayer) since its inception, minority shareholders have very little to show other than tiny dividends and the odd bonus here or there (cutting my cake into smaller pieces, then trying to cheat me by saying that I now have more pieces of cake - nkt)!
Advertising on billboards is a pure 'procurement play' - no perceived benefit to Kenya-Re or its shareholders - benefit is to whichever billboard company that they are using. Board and MD are not in the know? Question of competence, if not integrity.
Their CSR (Niko fiti) is towards persons with physical disability. I have no quarrel with that - in fact I fully support it. I just need them to know that right now many of their shareholders are financially disabled!
The share price for this company has underperformed (on a PE basis) it's peers in the industry as well as the market as a whole for many years! So what is there to celebrate about being in business for 50 years?
GoK is suffering without money at the moment so this is the right time that Gava either divests from it or gives it out to 'professional' managers to run, given the paucity of returns from the current bunch at the trough.  Someone needs to send this to the board! Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/4/2009 Posts: 10,747 Location: NAIROBI
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VituVingiSana wrote:Elephant Man wrote:For a re-insurance company that has enjoyed the benefit of compulsory cessions from Gava (i.e. the taxpayer) since its inception, minority shareholders have very little to show other than tiny dividends and the odd bonus here or there (cutting my cake into smaller pieces, then trying to cheat me by saying that I now have more pieces of cake - nkt)!
Advertising on billboards is a pure 'procurement play' - no perceived benefit to Kenya-Re or its shareholders - benefit is to whichever billboard company that they are using. Board and MD are not in the know? Question of competence, if not integrity.
Their CSR (Niko fiti) is towards persons with physical disability. I have no quarrel with that - in fact I fully support it. I just need them to know that right now many of their shareholders are financially disabled!
The share price for this company has underperformed (on a PE basis) it's peers in the industry as well as the market as a whole for many years! So what is there to celebrate about being in business for 50 years?
GoK is suffering without money at the moment so this is the right time that Gava either divests from it or gives it out to 'professional' managers to run, given the paucity of returns from the current bunch at the trough.  Someone needs to send this to the board! DM through twitter or tweet to the chairman and the corporation twitter handle Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/4/2009 Posts: 10,747 Location: NAIROBI
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Ericsson wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:Ebenyo wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:Ericsson wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:Ericsson wrote:Ebenyo wrote:Ericsson wrote:Kenya Reinsurance has put a tender for sale of Reinsurance Plaza Kisumu. Reserve price Ksh.1 billion A special dividend will be great From past experiences I don't see this coming. Kenya Re needs to rejig their portfolio. They should reduce their holding in government securities.Going forward yields on them are going down which will reduce the interest income. Their portfolio in quoted securities is very small at ksh.2bn yet assets is 53bn. In my opinion a good level of holdings in quoted securities should be about ksh.6bn From 2bn to 6bn (with total assets of 53bn) hardly moves the needle. 10bn minimum (20%) in equities (at low prices) in good firms and reduce the % exposure to real estate. Trying to sell the Kisumu building is a good start. In the current economic environment,they are finding it difficult to get a buyer. Happens. No surprise there. Let them sell it and give the special dividend #TanoTena manenos. I doubt it will be sold at 1bn in 2021. In that case they have two options; -Lower the price -Abandon the plan of selling it for now,hold it and continue earning rental income as they wait for economic conditions to improve Sale has been shelved due to lack of buyers Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
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Rank: Member Joined: 12/24/2008 Posts: 112
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So more money wasted on a failed process - advertising a building for sale.
There is more to this than meets the eye. 'Ordinary' Kenyans are praying and queueing and walking out of Kemsa/NYS and the like, with sack-loads (wheel-barrows?) of cash - and Kenya Re is having difficulty in selling a relatively new commercial building in KISUMU CITY for a measly Kshs. 1 billion? Next, you may hear of some other government entity wanting to put a building in the same location for Kshs.5b! But, there is no incentive or rent-seeking opportunity when buying/selling from/to another GoK entity...
I would actually not mind Kenya Re investing 0.0001% of their portfolio in some high risk venture - ETF, Tesla,Bitcoin, FX etc - they need to show some imagination, creativity, boldness and adventure in their portfolio management - the board will not be sacked if this type of investment went belly up!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/4/2009 Posts: 10,747 Location: NAIROBI
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2.69 seems to be a resistance for the share price,it's unable to rise past that Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 13,605 Location: nairobi
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Elephant Man wrote:So more money wasted on a failed process - advertising a building for sale.
There is more to this than meets the eye. 'Ordinary' Kenyans are praying and queueing and walking out of Kemsa/NYS and the like, with sack-loads (wheel-barrows?) of cash - and Kenya Re is having difficulty in selling a relatively new commercial building in KISUMU CITY for a measly Kshs. 1 billion? Next, you may hear of some other government entity wanting to put a building in the same location for Kshs.5b! But, there is no incentive or rent-seeking opportunity when buying/selling from/to another GoK entity...
I would actually not mind Kenya Re investing 0.0001% of their portfolio in some high risk venture - ETF, Tesla,Bitcoin, FX etc - they need to show some imagination, creativity, boldness and adventure in their portfolio management - the board will not be sacked if this type of investment went belly up!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/4/2009 Posts: 10,747 Location: NAIROBI
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The tenure of the MD is coming to an end this year. He has served two terms of 5 years each. He was appointed MD in April 2011 Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/4/2009 Posts: 10,747 Location: NAIROBI
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VituVingiSana wrote:Ericsson wrote: Amekasirika yake yote I support @ElephantMan 100%. Pay more in dividends. Or use the "billboard advertising" to reach out and support its clients/staff/brokers. Waah The billboards are many,put on all the major highways in Nairobi. Like ElephantMan has said,you might think Kenya Re manufactures and sells FMCG,soap,cooking or is a telco company like Safaricom,Airtel or Telkom kenya advertising its product/service. Hii ni upuzi Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,155 Location: Nairobi
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Leo ni leo. Tutacheka ama tutalia? Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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