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Who let the children here?! Just as absolute power corrupts leaders, so does absolute fanaticism blind the people from logic
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 10/29/2008 Posts: 1,566
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KulaRaha wrote:Ngalaka wrote:KulaRaha wrote:Seems the Immigration guys say he isn't Kenyan and the court ruled he is Kenyan.
That's a new spin! Even his lawyers haven't said that But if you have to apply for citizenship you are obviously not Kenyan at this moment... Now that's a fair argument. Bear in mind he is being asked to re-apply for citizenship to be restored. Isuni yilu yi maa me muyo - ni Mbisuu
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/26/2007 Posts: 6,514
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Ngalaka wrote:KulaRaha wrote:Ngalaka wrote:KulaRaha wrote:Seems the Immigration guys say he isn't Kenyan and the court ruled he is Kenyan.
That's a new spin! Even his lawyers haven't said that But if you have to apply for citizenship you are obviously not Kenyan at this moment... Now that's a fair argument. Bear in mind he is being asked to re-apply for citizenship to be restored. If you are restoring, that means presently he is not kenyan. But the court said he is very kenyan. So who is right? Business opportunities are like buses,there's always another one coming
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 10/29/2008 Posts: 1,566
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KulaRaha wrote:Ngalaka wrote:KulaRaha wrote:Ngalaka wrote:KulaRaha wrote:Seems the Immigration guys say he isn't Kenyan and the court ruled he is Kenyan.
That's a new spin! Even his lawyers haven't said that But if you have to apply for citizenship you are obviously not Kenyan at this moment... Now that's a fair argument. Bear in mind he is being asked to re-apply for citizenship to be restored. If you are restoring, that means presently he is not kenyan. But the court said he is very kenyan. So who is right? If they did, I missed that bit, and I would rest my case if you pointed it out to me. Isuni yilu yi maa me muyo - ni Mbisuu
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Rank: User Joined: 8/15/2013 Posts: 13,237 Location: Vacuum
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murchr wrote:Swenani wrote:hardwood wrote:Swenani wrote:murchr wrote:alma1 wrote:And just like that Miguna Miguna becomes more famous.
No airline can take a rowdy passenger. None. Kenya is about to get that US to Kenya direct flight.
Saa zingine you have to wonder what type of thinking goes on with gov't officials.
Sending goons into the airport without clearance to push a passenger into a plane is the height of sillyness.
If Miguna refuses to go, then what?
By the way, the fella is a Kenyan watu wapende wasipende. Wapost wazua wasipost. Even if you take a piece of paper called a passport. He's still a Kenyan. Get used to it.
Total waste of time when Kenyans have bigger issues to deal with. Like fake honey. No airport can allow an international traveler to pass a point of entry without a passport. This is not a fish market. Miguna would have submitted his Canadian passport which is what he used to travel and ride direct to Nyayo hse for his kenyan passport. JKIA has just passed a test. They've proved to FAA that they can not be intimidated by a bully. Why can't the gaarment use his confiscated Ke PP? Don't they have it Because it was invalidated and destroyed/perforated as it had been acquired illegally. The court ruled that Miguna should be given back his PP.Since it's the Ke gaarment that destroyed it , it should issue him with a Kenyan passport at the airport to facilitate hs entry Number 4 ya court order ina sema nini? A national ID is not a document of travel Number 6 states miguu must comply with the existing laws Order No 4 states clearly that ID should issue Miguna with travel docs while order no 6 states that KNHRC should be granted access to immigration and customs clearance areas of the port to monitor MM entry   If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
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guru267 wrote:jgithige wrote:hardwood wrote:Swenani wrote:murchr wrote:alma1 wrote:And just like that Miguna Miguna becomes more famous.
No airline can take a rowdy passenger. None. Kenya is about to get that US to Kenya direct flight.
Saa zingine you have to wonder what type of thinking goes on with gov't officials.
Sending goons into the airport without clearance to push a passenger into a plane is the height of sillyness.
If Miguna refuses to go, then what?
By the way, the fella is a Kenyan watu wapende wasipende. Wapost wazua wasipost. Even if you take a piece of paper called a passport. He's still a Kenyan. Get used to it.
Total waste of time when Kenyans have bigger issues to deal with. Like fake honey. No airport can allow an international traveler to pass a point of entry without a passport. This is not a fish market. Miguna would have submitted his Canadian passport which is what he used to travel and ride direct to Nyayo hse for his kenyan passport. JKIA has just passed a test. They've proved to FAA that they can not be intimidated by a bully. Why can't the gaarment use his confiscated Ke PP? Don't they have it Because it was invalidated and destroyed/perforated as it had been acquired illegally. Question if you have a Kenyan ID forget even the passport shouldn't you be allowed into Kenya? In some youtube video one can see Miguna flash out an ID for Kenya @jgithige first issue is that Miguna is holding a Kenyan national ID illegally. Under the old constitution he was supposed to hand in all documents that identify him as Kenyan as soon as he acquired Canadian citizenship. Secondly the Kenyan national ID cannot be used as a travel document except within the EAC excluding Tanzania and Burundi. If he was clever he would have flown from Dubai to Uganda using his Canadian passport and enter Kenya from Uganda using is illegally held National ID. The first before your first, The Judge ordered ID to issue Miguna with travel docs and facilitate his entry into Kenya...What's your understanding of that order? If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
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Ngalaka wrote:KulaRaha wrote:Ngalaka wrote:KulaRaha wrote:Ngalaka wrote:KulaRaha wrote:Seems the Immigration guys say he isn't Kenyan and the court ruled he is Kenyan.
That's a new spin! Even his lawyers haven't said that But if you have to apply for citizenship you are obviously not Kenyan at this moment... Now that's a fair argument. Bear in mind he is being asked to re-apply for citizenship to be restored. If you are restoring, that means presently he is not kenyan. But the court said he is very kenyan. So who is right? If they did, I missed that bit, and I would rest my case if you pointed it out to me. Ngalaka, read part 1 and 2 of the orders from Swenani. Effectively telling the gov't to chill out. They have to go to court to determine that issue. Not making tweeter statements. That is why they are afraid of this issue. It is not Miguna they are afraid of. They are afraid that a court case shall show that they acted illegally. Unfortunately as Jacob Zuma is discovering, you don't stay in gov't forever. Things like this catch up to you. Court orders are court orders. Unless you are Jubilee of course. Thieves are not good people. Tumeelewana?
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Rank: User Joined: 8/15/2013 Posts: 13,237 Location: Vacuum
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Ngalaka wrote:KulaRaha wrote:Ngalaka wrote:KulaRaha wrote:Seems the Immigration guys say he isn't Kenyan and the court ruled he is Kenyan.
That's a new spin! Even his lawyers haven't said that But if you have to apply for citizenship you are obviously not Kenyan at this moment... Now that's a fair argument. Bear in mind he is being asked to re-apply for citizenship to be restored. Why is he being asked to reapply for citizenship? The court voided Matiangi's order declaring MM allien If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
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Swenani wrote:guru267 wrote:jgithige wrote:hardwood wrote:Swenani wrote:murchr wrote:alma1 wrote:And just like that Miguna Miguna becomes more famous.
No airline can take a rowdy passenger. None. Kenya is about to get that US to Kenya direct flight.
Saa zingine you have to wonder what type of thinking goes on with gov't officials.
Sending goons into the airport without clearance to push a passenger into a plane is the height of sillyness.
If Miguna refuses to go, then what?
By the way, the fella is a Kenyan watu wapende wasipende. Wapost wazua wasipost. Even if you take a piece of paper called a passport. He's still a Kenyan. Get used to it.
Total waste of time when Kenyans have bigger issues to deal with. Like fake honey. No airport can allow an international traveler to pass a point of entry without a passport. This is not a fish market. Miguna would have submitted his Canadian passport which is what he used to travel and ride direct to Nyayo hse for his kenyan passport. JKIA has just passed a test. They've proved to FAA that they can not be intimidated by a bully. Why can't the gaarment use his confiscated Ke PP? Don't they have it Because it was invalidated and destroyed/perforated as it had been acquired illegally. Question if you have a Kenyan ID forget even the passport shouldn't you be allowed into Kenya? In some youtube video one can see Miguna flash out an ID for Kenya @jgithige first issue is that Miguna is holding a Kenyan national ID illegally. Under the old constitution he was supposed to hand in all documents that identify him as Kenyan as soon as he acquired Canadian citizenship. Secondly the Kenyan national ID cannot be used as a travel document except within the EAC excluding Tanzania and Burundi. If he was clever he would have flown from Dubai to Uganda using his Canadian passport and enter Kenya from Uganda using is illegally held National ID. The first before your first, The Judge order ID to issue Miguna with travel docs and facilitate his entry into Kenya...What's your understanding of that order? A visa issued on his Canadian passport is a valid document "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 10/29/2008 Posts: 1,566
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Swenani wrote:Ngalaka wrote:KulaRaha wrote:Ngalaka wrote:KulaRaha wrote:Seems the Immigration guys say he isn't Kenyan and the court ruled he is Kenyan.
That's a new spin! Even his lawyers haven't said that But if you have to apply for citizenship you are obviously not Kenyan at this moment... Now that's a fair argument. Bear in mind he is being asked to re-apply for citizenship to be restored. Why is he being asked to reapply for citizenship? The court voided Matiangi's order declaring MM allien The substantive matter of whether or not Miguna is a citizen as at now is yet to be determined by Court. The orders given were on interlocutory matters arising pending the hearing of the main case. Isuni yilu yi maa me muyo - ni Mbisuu
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Rank: User Joined: 8/15/2013 Posts: 13,237 Location: Vacuum
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murchr wrote:Swenani wrote:guru267 wrote:jgithige wrote:hardwood wrote:Swenani wrote:murchr wrote:alma1 wrote:And just like that Miguna Miguna becomes more famous.
No airline can take a rowdy passenger. None. Kenya is about to get that US to Kenya direct flight.
Saa zingine you have to wonder what type of thinking goes on with gov't officials.
Sending goons into the airport without clearance to push a passenger into a plane is the height of sillyness.
If Miguna refuses to go, then what?
By the way, the fella is a Kenyan watu wapende wasipende. Wapost wazua wasipost. Even if you take a piece of paper called a passport. He's still a Kenyan. Get used to it.
Total waste of time when Kenyans have bigger issues to deal with. Like fake honey. No airport can allow an international traveler to pass a point of entry without a passport. This is not a fish market. Miguna would have submitted his Canadian passport which is what he used to travel and ride direct to Nyayo hse for his kenyan passport. JKIA has just passed a test. They've proved to FAA that they can not be intimidated by a bully. Why can't the gaarment use his confiscated Ke PP? Don't they have it Because it was invalidated and destroyed/perforated as it had been acquired illegally. Question if you have a Kenyan ID forget even the passport shouldn't you be allowed into Kenya? In some youtube video one can see Miguna flash out an ID for Kenya @jgithige first issue is that Miguna is holding a Kenyan national ID illegally. Under the old constitution he was supposed to hand in all documents that identify him as Kenyan as soon as he acquired Canadian citizenship. Secondly the Kenyan national ID cannot be used as a travel document except within the EAC excluding Tanzania and Burundi. If he was clever he would have flown from Dubai to Uganda using his Canadian passport and enter Kenya from Uganda using is illegally held National ID. The first before your first, The Judge order ID to issue Miguna with travel docs and facilitate his entry into Kenya...What's your understanding of that order? A visa issued on his Canadian passport is a valid document A visa is not a travel document but a travel facilitation document. ID were required to ISSUE travel docs and FACILITATE his entry back to Kenya If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
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Rank: User Joined: 8/15/2013 Posts: 13,237 Location: Vacuum
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Ngalaka wrote:Swenani wrote:Ngalaka wrote:KulaRaha wrote:Ngalaka wrote:KulaRaha wrote:Seems the Immigration guys say he isn't Kenyan and the court ruled he is Kenyan.
That's a new spin! Even his lawyers haven't said that But if you have to apply for citizenship you are obviously not Kenyan at this moment... Now that's a fair argument. Bear in mind he is being asked to re-apply for citizenship to be restored. Why is he being asked to reapply for citizenship? The court voided Matiangi's order declaring MM allien The substantive matter of whether or not Miguna is a citizen as at now is yet to be determined by Court. The orders given were on interlocutory matters arising pending the hearing of the main case. Yes, That's why Matiangi's orders, suspension of his PP and nullification of his citizenship was suspended. You either decide to follow the law or NOT, you don't decide to follow the favorable laws and ignore the unfavorable parts of the law by reading selectively and having selective amnesia If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 10/29/2008 Posts: 1,566
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I am told at one point, justice Lenaola ruled on a similar matter as Miguna's regarding another litigant whereupon he asserted that - such a person would have to re-aply to get back their Kenyan citizenship. If Miguna did that all this back and forth would end. Isuni yilu yi maa me muyo - ni Mbisuu
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Ngalaka wrote:I am told at one point, justice Lenaola ruled on a similar matter as Miguna's regarding another litigant whereupon he asserted that - such a person would have to re-aply to get back their Kenyan citizenship.
If Miguna did that all this back and forth would end. Who told you? Post the orders here Search court cases hereIf Obiero did it, Who Am I?
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Ngalaka wrote:Swenani wrote:Ngalaka wrote:KulaRaha wrote:Ngalaka wrote:KulaRaha wrote:Seems the Immigration guys say he isn't Kenyan and the court ruled he is Kenyan.
That's a new spin! Even his lawyers haven't said that But if you have to apply for citizenship you are obviously not Kenyan at this moment... Now that's a fair argument. Bear in mind he is being asked to re-apply for citizenship to be restored. Why is he being asked to reapply for citizenship? The court voided Matiangi's order declaring MM allien The substantive matter of whether or not Miguna is a citizen as at now is yet to be determined by Court. The orders given were on interlocutory matters arising pending the hearing of the main case. After reading the court document, I agree with you. Business opportunities are like buses,there's always another one coming
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Rank: Member Joined: 7/10/2014 Posts: 145 Location: Nairobi
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Swenani wrote:Ngalaka wrote:Swenani wrote:Ngalaka wrote:KulaRaha wrote:Ngalaka wrote:KulaRaha wrote:Seems the Immigration guys say he isn't Kenyan and the court ruled he is Kenyan.
That's a new spin! Even his lawyers haven't said that But if you have to apply for citizenship you are obviously not Kenyan at this moment... Now that's a fair argument. Bear in mind he is being asked to re-apply for citizenship to be restored. Why is he being asked to reapply for citizenship? The court voided Matiangi's order declaring MM allien The substantive matter of whether or not Miguna is a citizen as at now is yet to be determined by Court. The orders given were on interlocutory matters arising pending the hearing of the main case. Yes, That's why Matiangi's orders, suspension of his PP and nullification of his citizenship was suspended. You either decide to follow the law or NOT, you don't decide to follow the favorable laws and ignore the unfavorable parts of the law by reading selectively and having selective amnesia This MM issue has really watered down the handshake. Deep inside BABA must be regretting on it. He has no word for his followers. The silence tells it all. "Blowing out someone else candle won't make yours shine brighter"-Anonymous
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 10/29/2008 Posts: 1,566
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KulaRaha wrote:Ngalaka wrote:Swenani wrote:Ngalaka wrote:KulaRaha wrote:Ngalaka wrote:KulaRaha wrote:Seems the Immigration guys say he isn't Kenyan and the court ruled he is Kenyan.
That's a new spin! Even his lawyers haven't said that But if you have to apply for citizenship you are obviously not Kenyan at this moment... Now that's a fair argument. Bear in mind he is being asked to re-apply for citizenship to be restored. Why is he being asked to reapply for citizenship? The court voided Matiangi's order declaring MM allien The substantive matter of whether or not Miguna is a citizen as at now is yet to be determined by Court. The orders given were on interlocutory matters arising pending the hearing of the main case. After reading the court document, I agree with you. Thank you brother @Kulaheppy Kudos for showing obective attitude on this issue. You we can castigate the Gotv when it goes wrong (as it so often does) but when there is a non issue...... Mgala muuwe lakini haki yake mpe. Isuni yilu yi maa me muyo - ni Mbisuu
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/3/2008 Posts: 4,057 Location: Gwitu
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This is not about the law. It is about showing who is the boss. The lawyers will find some other fish to fry and MM will either toe the govt line or fly back to Toronto. Truth forever on the scaffold
Wrong forever on the throne
(James Russell Rowell)
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Rank: Elder Joined: 4/9/2008 Posts: 2,824
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The same order (4) gives one Joshua Miguna Miguna liberty to use his Canadian PP to re-enter and stay in the country until the petition is determined. Why cant he just use that? It is the easier option. And he does not need to give any other reason. Bu he just loves drama. without drama nobody will notice him!! When I have money, I get rid of it quickly, lest it find a way into my heart.
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Rank: User Joined: 8/15/2013 Posts: 13,237 Location: Vacuum
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Ngalaka wrote:KulaRaha wrote:Ngalaka wrote:Swenani wrote:Ngalaka wrote:KulaRaha wrote:Ngalaka wrote:KulaRaha wrote:Seems the Immigration guys say he isn't Kenyan and the court ruled he is Kenyan.
That's a new spin! Even his lawyers haven't said that But if you have to apply for citizenship you are obviously not Kenyan at this moment... Now that's a fair argument. Bear in mind he is being asked to re-apply for citizenship to be restored. Why is he being asked to reapply for citizenship? The court voided Matiangi's order declaring MM allien The substantive matter of whether or not Miguna is a citizen as at now is yet to be determined by Court. The orders given were on interlocutory matters arising pending the hearing of the main case. After reading the court document, I agree with you. Thank you brother @Kulaheppy Kudos for showing obective attitude on this issue. You we can castigate the Gotv when it goes wrong (as it so often does) but when there is a non issue...... Mgala muuwe lakini haki yake mpe. @Ngalaka surely, there should be objectivity. If the matter is before the court, why is he being asked to re-apply for citizenship? He can only be deemed a Kenyan non citizen once the court decides so.As of now, he is KENYAN citizen and the same court ordered that he be issued with travel docs and his entry be facilitated ama pia tumefika kwa selective understanding If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
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