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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/7/2007 Posts: 11,935 Location: Nairobi
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The train is off. Joho can address himself now Nothing great was ever achieved without enthusiasm.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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harrydre wrote:He should be cleaning mombasa, it's filthy. His D- wouln't allow him to see the long term benefits of the rail road to his own people. very petty of Uhuru! What would have happened if Joho had attended?
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Rank: Member Joined: 6/17/2010 Posts: 572
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kingfisher wrote:Njung'e wrote:Iganamagana wrote:Has anyone ever set up a business and not made a provision for recurrent expenditure till the business breaks even? Why do you want the GOK to be any different? Wewe enda njenga boma ya kuku na ununue kuku halafu ungonjee zitage mayai bila kuweka pesa ya mfanyi kazi, chakula na dawa! You might be addressing a young fellow who has never owned a kitten. Hachana na huyu jamaa. he has time to take us back all the way to feb? when we are waiting for the real mugithi in earnest na siyo hile ya @Njung'e kwa harusi @FRM2011, wewe endelea kutumia coast bus na kutembelea archives, mimi ni muguthi express once it is fully operational. is govt subsidizing the chinese because we were told that they will 'run' the railway ama running the railway has a different meaning here 'One headache for famous medieval holy people was that someone might murder you to acquire your body parts for the relics trade'
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Rank: Elder Joined: 4/9/2008 Posts: 2,824
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vky wrote:Impunity wrote:Now PORK and his abled DP ill board this inaugural (spl) ride from Coast to Nairobi tomorrow, I wonder what will be in their mind!
By the way have you seen some of those major stations? They are YUGE and beautiful but I am surprise the CS Transie said we will only have one train per day one way each...
Who will use all those magnificie facilities? The night lights, the air-coned waiting lounges, the YUGE platforms etal?
This means the lounges will be used only for a maximum of say 1 hour and remain deserted for the next 23 hours.
Anyone of you ever visited the Syokimau commuter train station? Its in a state of disrepair due to underutilization plus utter NEGLET! Yet it get occupied at least 3 hours a day!
The type of the train stations built by these Chinese were fully based on the China model of mass transport...those stations require several trains per day, operation every 30 mins on the minimum.
Otherwise we will see some of the rare white elephants that we thought had become extinct!
good observation there, on the passenger side of things one can easily speculate with some measure of certainty that when the novelty of the SGR quiets down we shall begin to see those white elephants roaming around and this speculation is given more credence by the fact that govt has subsidized the commercial operations of the rail to the tune of 15b all this being to the detriment of the taxpayer, if we had a double track then one would reasonably speculate that those white elephants would be kept at bay. Double tracks?? do you guys know how trains operates? talk of GOOD intersections and I will listen. When I have money, I get rid of it quickly, lest it find a way into my heart.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/6/2008 Posts: 3,559
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Every villager, farmer, Kenyan standing on the rail side children jumping up and down like crazy, very excited people, watching live on you tube! Mariakani stop and press briefing next. Meru Holiness
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/7/2007 Posts: 11,935 Location: Nairobi
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Much Know wrote:Every villager, farmer, Kenyan standing on the rail side children jumping up and down like crazy, very excited people, watching live on you tube! Mariakani stop and press briefing next. Link yawa.  Nothing great was ever achieved without enthusiasm.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 4/9/2008 Posts: 2,824
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Much Know wrote:Every villager, farmer, Kenyan standing on the rail side children jumping up and down like crazy, very excited people, watching live on you tube! Mariakani stop and press briefing next. wapi link? When I have money, I get rid of it quickly, lest it find a way into my heart.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/6/2008 Posts: 3,559
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kingfisher wrote:Much Know wrote:Every villager, farmer, Kenyan standing on the rail side children jumping up and down like crazy, very excited people, watching live on you tube! Mariakani stop and press briefing next. wapi link? Am watching these live this hogwash guys complaining as usual https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFC78e47ZLM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIRJj_K6CfAMeru Holiness
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Rank: Member Joined: 6/17/2010 Posts: 572
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kingfisher wrote:vky wrote:Impunity wrote:Now PORK and his abled DP ill board this inaugural (spl) ride from Coast to Nairobi tomorrow, I wonder what will be in their mind!
By the way have you seen some of those major stations? They are YUGE and beautiful but I am surprise the CS Transie said we will only have one train per day one way each...
Who will use all those magnificie facilities? The night lights, the air-coned waiting lounges, the YUGE platforms etal?
This means the lounges will be used only for a maximum of say 1 hour and remain deserted for the next 23 hours.
Anyone of you ever visited the Syokimau commuter train station? Its in a state of disrepair due to underutilization plus utter NEGLET! Yet it get occupied at least 3 hours a day!
The type of the train stations built by these Chinese were fully based on the China model of mass transport...those stations require several trains per day, operation every 30 mins on the minimum.
Otherwise we will see some of the rare white elephants that we thought had become extinct!
good observation there, on the passenger side of things one can easily speculate with some measure of certainty that when the novelty of the SGR quiets down we shall begin to see those white elephants roaming around and this speculation is given more credence by the fact that govt has subsidized the commercial operations of the rail to the tune of 15b all this being to the detriment of the taxpayer, if we had a double track then one would reasonably speculate that those white elephants would be kept at bay. Double tracks?? do you guys know how trains operates? talk of GOOD intersections and I will listen. we may or may not know how trains operate but the question that begs an answer is that when fully operational the SGR is expected to have 43 locomotives operating on a single track line, how efficient will this be, prepare to spot a few white elephants 'One headache for famous medieval holy people was that someone might murder you to acquire your body parts for the relics trade'
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Rank: Elder Joined: 4/9/2008 Posts: 2,824
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Now we need the schedule. I need to determine if I can move to my plot in Salama. When I have money, I get rid of it quickly, lest it find a way into my heart.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 3/27/2009 Posts: 1,437
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Gathige wrote:Has anyone ever set up a business and not made a provision for recurrent expenditure till the business breaks even? Why do you want the GOK to be any different? Wewe enda njenga boma ya kuku na ununue kuku halafu ungonjee zitage mayai bila kuweka pesa ya mfanyi kazi, chakula na dawa! Railroad has never been a profitable business worldwide. India, with the largest and most complex railway network is a purely state affair. [/quote The ripple effect on the economy is what matters. Even the toll roads in developed economies have some investment from the exchequer to be sustainable. The toll fee only maintains the roads but are not geared towards profit making.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/26/2007 Posts: 6,514
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So when is the train going to be operational? When I can I buy a ticket and take a ride? Business opportunities are like buses,there's always another one coming
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Rank: Elder Joined: 11/5/2010 Posts: 2,459
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Iganamagana wrote:Gathige wrote:Has anyone ever set up a business and not made a provision for recurrent expenditure till the business breaks even? Why do you want the GOK to be any different? Wewe enda njenga boma ya kuku na ununue kuku halafu ungonjee zitage mayai bila kuweka pesa ya mfanyi kazi, chakula na dawa! Railroad has never been a profitable business worldwide. India, with the largest and most complex railway network is a purely state affair. [/quote The ripple effect on the economy is what matters. Even the toll roads in developed economies have some investment from the exchequer to be sustainable. The toll fee only maintains the roads but are not geared towards profit making. Ati atia ? Have you looked at the feasibility study ? Done by the same contractor ? The president has been telling us its a game changer. That it will reduce transport costs by 60%. Now I have just seen the "discounted" prices for the cargo. 50K for a 20ft container. We have a gentleman called @Mkimwa on this forum. He is a veteran trucker. He can do a 20 ft container @50K to your doorstep upto Thika. For SGR, please add another 30K for the last mile trip to your doorstep. Again I ask, is the game-changing aspect of the SGR in addressing capacity challenges or in competitive pricing ? On these two it falls short.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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Quote:Yet I still choose to support the SGR. As veteran newspaper commentator on public policy issues, I have been at it long enough to appreciate that an investment in infrastructure that may appear to have low returns in the short-term, tends to have incredibly high returns in the long-term.
Several years ago, we shouted ourselves hoarse about Turkwel Dam.
Today, it is an integral part of our hydro-electric power generation capacity.
We criticised Eldoret Airport as unviable and dismissed it as an investment funded by expensive and corruptly committed commercial loans.
SUPPORTING SGR
Today, it is one the fastest growing cargo hums of the region.
If I had the powers and means, I would force the two leading presidential candidates, Mr Uhuru Kenyatta and Mr Raila Odinga, to declare that they will continue supporting SGR until it reaches Malaba through Kisumu, even after the elections. http://www.nation.co.ke/...948834-6ukruz/index.html
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/22/2009 Posts: 2,449 Location: Africa
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Looks like Uhuru watches Carol Mutoko's blog. They've changed the name of the sgr to Madaraka express
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/8/2013 Posts: 4,068 Location: At Large.
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Shak wrote:Looks like Uhuru watches Carol Mutoko's blog. They've changed the name of the sgr to Madaraka express Of course it had a name but Mutoko na kimbelembele yake could not wait.It was to be unveiled the last minute. Love is beautiful and so are those who share it.With Love, Marriage is an amazing event in ones life time, the foundation of joy, happiness and success.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/29/2011 Posts: 2,242
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FRM2011 wrote:Iganamagana wrote:Gathige wrote:Has anyone ever set up a business and not made a provision for recurrent expenditure till the business breaks even? Why do you want the GOK to be any different? Wewe enda njenga boma ya kuku na ununue kuku halafu ungonjee zitage mayai bila kuweka pesa ya mfanyi kazi, chakula na dawa! Railroad has never been a profitable business worldwide. India, with the largest and most complex railway network is a purely state affair. [/quote The ripple effect on the economy is what matters. Even the toll roads in developed economies have some investment from the exchequer to be sustainable. The toll fee only maintains the roads but are not geared towards profit making. Ati atia ? Have you looked at the feasibility study ? Done by the same contractor ? The president has been telling us its a game changer. That it will reduce transport costs by 60%. Now I have just seen the "discounted" prices for the cargo. 50K for a 20ft container. We have a gentleman called @Mkimwa on this forum. He is a veteran trucker. He can do a 20 ft container @50K to your doorstep upto Thika. For SGR, please add another 30K for the last mile trip to your doorstep. Again I ask, is the game-changing aspect of the SGR in addressing capacity challenges or in competitive pricing ? On these two it falls short. @FRM2011, Trucking yes you can make cash ( as you are using infrastructure you have not built- the roads and only pay a levy to use which is minimal). The game-changer is not in the economic sense but in terms to time saved and the national pride ( the feeling you get when you spot a KQ plane in far flung countries, but at home it makes astronomical losses). It would feel good to catch the train and be in Msa in 4hrs but the price is a subsidized one. Twende Mombasani sasa! "Things that matter most must never be at the mercy of things that matter least." Goethe
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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Bigchick wrote:Shak wrote:Looks like Uhuru watches Carol Mutoko's blog. They've changed the name of the sgr to Madaraka express Of course it had a name but Mutoko na kimbelembele yake could not wait.It was to be unveiled the last minute. You must be a very evil woman.. Wivu yako ni ya hali ya juu "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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murchr wrote:Bigchick wrote:Shak wrote:Looks like Uhuru watches Carol Mutoko's blog. They've changed the name of the sgr to Madaraka express Of course it had a name but Mutoko na kimbelembele yake could not wait.It was to be unveiled the last minute. You must be a very evil woman.. Wivu yako ni ya hali ya juu auuuiiii  
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Rank: Member Joined: 7/27/2014 Posts: 560 Location: Eastlando
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Will this Train havepolicemen in all the coaches? I am scared that Terrotists ccould take advantage of the usual slow response of the kenyan police, to slaughter passengers, once the train leaves either Nrb or Mombasa
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