Muriel wrote:poundfoolish wrote:If i am not wrong. this is the real war between brothers.
Wachana na ile ya Ishmael na Jacob. the war in Israel is between the Kingdom of Judah and the Kingdom of Israel.
The problem is Judah has become very secular (nothing Judaism much with the current state of Israel) and Israel has become Moslem (Palestinians are now Moslem)
Palestinian might just be the former Samaritans who were actually Israeli that first formed the Northern Kingdom. decided Jerusalem is too far. Even in the days of the book, the two houses (Israel and Judah) hated each other.
The House of Judah was scattered, The house of Israel, being more willing, would always take up the culture of their conquerors and i suspect picked up on Islam when it spread. The house of Judah on the other hand left little remnants in Palestine, was scattered all through the world and started trooping back in in the 1900's
The members of the house of Ishmael living in Israel are very calm.. wamechill. going to Al Aqsa every Friday and living in Jerusalem bila shida.
Blow me down Poundfoolish!
I had never thought of it or looked at this in this manner. You make more sense than anyone and anything out there!
Refreshing!
Indeed, after the destruction of the Northern Kingdom of Israel by the Assyrians (721 BC), led by King Sargon II Northern Israel was dispersed throughout the Assyrian empire and nothing is heard about them after that. Where did they go? They remained in the neighbourhood! They must be the current Palestinians. Heck, they could be even Shia Muslims (with their relics)!
Amos and Hosea were the prophets in the Northern Kingdom of Israel who preached against adoption of "new religions" and relics, just a random point to drive this new point of view home. This is Judah oppressing his blood brothers.
No wonder Ishmael is hardly concerned despite sharing what on the surface is the same religion and just casts passing glances those sides choosing and preferring to focus more on the caliphate - and to destroy Shia "brothers" while at it.
Stranger than fiction.
@poundfoolish point of correction:
1. Israel and Judah were not two competing houses. The two never hated each other. Israel is Jacob, and Judah was one of the sons of Jacob.
2. The house of Judah was not scattered. It is the house of Jacob (Israel), which Judah was one of them. They were 12 of them in number.
Now, this topic made me look into this too. And just remembered the people who stimulate tussle between the two brothers. You see Christians and Muslims descended from the same father of faith: Abraham.
Abraham had two sons: Ishmael and Isaac.
Ishmael from Haggar and Isaac from Sarah. Ishmael is the father of the Arabs and Isaac is the father of the Jews, the Israelites.
The Quran 37:101 says:
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So We gave him the good news of a forbearing son".
Who is it?And this son is Ishmael for he is the first son whose good news was brought to Abraham. He is older than Isaac according to Muslims and the Bible too.
The Bible says: Ishmael born when Abraham was 86 years old and Isaac was born when Abraham was 99.In the Bible as well, God is said to have ordered Abraham to sacrifice his only son and in another version his firstborn.
But what happened there?At this spot, they inserted falsely the name of Isaac against the text of their very Scripture.
Why?The reason they inserted Isaac is that he is their father whereas Ishmael is the father of the Arabs. They added Isaac out of envy and brushed away "only son" by saying that Ishmael and his mother had already been to Makkah.
How does 'only son' become Isaac?Saying because the other wife already taken to far place in Makkah, makes Isaac only son is a false explanation. We never say "only son" except to a person who hasn't got but one son. Moreover, the firstborn has got a special place [in the heart of his father] that is not given to the following children and the order to sacrifice him is therefore a greater test.
How were these two sons?The Quran points out that Ishmael as the patient son and that he is the sacrificed.
The Quran afterwards says: "
And We gave him the good news of Isaac - a prophet,- one of the Righteous."
The Quran continues to say: "
We gave her [Sarah] glad tidings of Isaac, and after him, of Jacob."
Which means that in the lifetime of Abraham and Sarah, Isaac will beget a child that he will call Jacob implying that Isaac will have a progeny.
