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guru267 wrote:ecstacy wrote:The leader of Boko Haram, Abubaker Shekau, has proclaimed an Islamic caliphate in the north eastern Nigerian town of Gwoza, which was seized by the Islamic militants earlier this month.
The gains made by the Islamic group in recent weeks are unprecedented and they are close to creating an Islamic caliphate in northern Nigeria, mirroring what IS (Islamic State) has done in Iraq and Syria. Lets see how long the white man's borders last now! What if the white man is the one who actually created IS?..
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 5/31/2008 Posts: 1,076
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AlphDoti wrote:B.Timer wrote:
There is no religion without sects/factions. Going forward even more factions will continue to form among Muslims as well as Christians.
This emanates from various interpretation of the books that the faiths are based. There is no telling whose interpretation, including @aphadoti’s, is the correct or the Heavenly sanctioned one!
Right now, the so called Sunnis have people who interpret their books differently. That why we have the fundamentalist and the liberals, the pro Caliphates and those opposed to it.
@alphadoti, how many factions of Islam are there in the world today!
Be honest and avoid semantics – burying heads in the sand!
@B.Timer it's true there reports which have been put out. These reports are developed in America. They have developed parameter to judge Muslims, evaluate Muslims. I'm not being semantics or anything. It is the so called non-muslim experts who are putting up these differences to politically and ideologically group people. Objective of this kind of categorization is to create hostility and opposition between different categories. That is why, next you will ask me are you fundamentalist, or traditionalist or modernist or Secularist? If you read the Quran, there is no such categories. And there are agreed authentic hadiths. That's all. Sorry I had actually forgotten that in your book everything wrong in your house is as a result of the US  The Iranians and Iraqis are all Sunnis it’s only the US who created this Shia thing There are absolutely no differences in teachings and belief structure amongst the Muslims in Saudia and those in Iran, these Americans keep on cheating you know There is no war between the Sunnis and Shia at all  The said Shiites teachings and books were all authored in Washington Going by @ alphadoti's wisdom! then the Muslims must be very naïve to always let the Americans infiltrate them and cause all these divisions and set agendas for them  My apologies for expecting too much of our @alpha, he who carries the gold for deflecting and evading any inconvenient query on Islam  Dunia ni msongamano..
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/17/2008 Posts: 23,365 Location: Nairobi
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B.Timer wrote:AlphDoti wrote:B.Timer wrote:
There is no religion without sects/factions. Going forward even more factions will continue to form among Muslims as well as Christians.
This emanates from various interpretation of the books that the faiths are based. There is no telling whose interpretation, including @aphadoti’s, is the correct or the Heavenly sanctioned one!
Right now, the so called Sunnis have people who interpret their books differently. That why we have the fundamentalist and the liberals, the pro Caliphates and those opposed to it.
@alphadoti, how many factions of Islam are there in the world today!
Be honest and avoid semantics – burying heads in the sand!
@B.Timer it's true there reports which have been put out. These reports are developed in America. They have developed parameter to judge Muslims, evaluate Muslims. I'm not being semantics or anything. It is the so called non-muslim experts who are putting up these differences to politically and ideologically group people. Objective of this kind of categorization is to create hostility and opposition between different categories. That is why, next you will ask me are you fundamentalist, or traditionalist or modernist or Secularist? If you read the Quran, there is no such categories. And there are agreed authentic hadiths. That's all. Sorry I had actually forgotten that in your book everything wrong in your house is as a result of the US The Iranians and Iraqis are all Sunnis it’s only the US who created this Shia thing There are absolutely no differences in teachings and belief structure amongst the Muslims in Saudia and those in Iran, these Americans keep on cheating you know There is no war between the Sunnis and Shia at all The said Shiites teachings and bookings were all authored in Washington Going by @ alphadoti's wisdom! Then the Muslims must be very naïve to always let the Americans infiltrate them and cause all these divisions and set agendas for them My apologies for expecting too much of our @alpha, he who carries the gold for deflecting and evading any inconvenient query on Islam ..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
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Rank: Member Joined: 9/29/2010 Posts: 679 Location: nairobi
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guru267 wrote:ecstacy wrote:The leader of Boko Haram, Abubaker Shekau, has proclaimed an Islamic caliphate in the north eastern Nigerian town of Gwoza, which was seized by the Islamic militants earlier this month.
The gains made by the Islamic group in recent weeks are unprecedented and they are close to creating an Islamic caliphate in northern Nigeria, mirroring what IS (Islamic State) has done in Iraq and Syria. Lets see how long the white man's borders last now! lets see how long ISIS/ISIL or whatever they call themselves last http://www.mirror.co.uk/...s-forming-hunter-4097083
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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B.Timer wrote:AlphDoti wrote:B.Timer wrote:
There is no religion without sects/factions. Going forward even more factions will continue to form among Muslims as well as Christians.
This emanates from various interpretation of the books that the faiths are based. There is no telling whose interpretation, including @aphadoti’s, is the correct or the Heavenly sanctioned one!
Right now, the so called Sunnis have people who interpret their books differently. That why we have the fundamentalist and the liberals, the pro Caliphates and those opposed to it.
@alphadoti, how many factions of Islam are there in the world today!
Be honest and avoid semantics – burying heads in the sand!
@B.Timer it's true there reports which have been put out. These reports are developed in America. They have developed parameter to judge Muslims, evaluate Muslims. I'm not being semantics or anything. It is the so called non-muslim experts who are putting up these differences to politically and ideologically group people. Objective of this kind of categorization is to create hostility and opposition between different categories. That is why, next you will ask me are you fundamentalist, or traditionalist or modernist or Secularist? If you read the Quran, there is no such categories. And there are agreed authentic hadiths. That's all. Sorry I had actually forgotten that in your book everything wrong in your house is as a result of the US The Iranians and Iraqis are all Sunnis it’s only the US who created this Shia thing There are absolutely no differences in teachings and belief structure amongst the Muslims in Saudia and those in Iran, these Americans keep on cheating you know There is no war between the Sunnis and Shia at all The said Shiites teachings and books were all authored in Washington Going by @ alphadoti's wisdom! then the Muslims must be very naïve to always let the Americans infiltrate them and cause all these divisions and set agendas for them My apologies for expecting too much of our @alpha, he who carries the gold for deflecting and evading any inconvenient query on Islam
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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B.Timer wrote:AlphDoti wrote:B.Timer wrote:
There is no religion without sects/factions. Going forward even more factions will continue to form among Muslims as well as Christians.
This emanates from various interpretation of the books that the faiths are based. There is no telling whose interpretation, including @aphadoti’s, is the correct or the Heavenly sanctioned one!
Right now, the so called Sunnis have people who interpret their books differently. That why we have the fundamentalist and the liberals, the pro Caliphates and those opposed to it.
@alphadoti, how many factions of Islam are there in the world today!
Be honest and avoid semantics – burying heads in the sand!
@B.Timer it's true there reports which have been put out. These reports are developed in America. They have developed parameter to judge Muslims, evaluate Muslims. I'm not being semantics or anything. It is the so called non-muslim experts who are putting up these differences to politically and ideologically group people. Objective of this kind of categorization is to create hostility and opposition between different categories. That is why, next you will ask me are you fundamentalist, or traditionalist or modernist or Secularist? If you read the Quran, there is no such categories. And there are agreed authentic hadiths. That's all. Sorry I had actually forgotten that in your book everything wrong in your house is as a result of the US The Iranians and Iraqis are all Sunnis it’s only the US who created this Shia thing There are absolutely no differences in teachings and belief structure amongst the Muslims in Saudia and those in Iran, these Americans keep on cheating you know There is no war between the Sunnis and Shia at all The said Shiites teachings and books were all authored in Washington Going by @ alphadoti's wisdom! then the Muslims must be very naïve to always let the Americans infiltrate them and cause all these divisions and set agendas for them My apologies for expecting too much of our @alpha, he who carries the gold for deflecting and evading any inconvenient query on Islam @B.Timer I understand your frustration. Please understand I have no control over what people come up with this world. I have no control over creation of terror groups like Al Qaeda and Taliban, which you and me now know it was the creation of U.S. to fight USSR. Why were some Muslims used in these groups? I have no answer, only them know, and Allah will deal with their affairs. You and me have no control over things like alleged Hitler killings of 6,000,000 Jews. It is quite naive of you to make me answerable to things beyond my capability. We've heard that Boko Haram was again created by the same U.S. Why? Your guess is as good as mine. So it is quite naive of you to say it is very naive to always let the Americans infiltrate and cause all these divisions and set agendas for them. You know how politics of the world are played. If the small politics we see here in Kenya leave you amazed, what of the people with global agenda? Then you said that I implied that there is nothing called Shia and Sunni groups. Of course there are such names as Sunni and Shia. But I just told you they have nothing to do with Islam. Islam is Islam, there is no sect. YOu will never find such groups in Quran or Hadith. If somebody comes up with sects, then that is not Islam. And I just told you that these groupings was created for political reasons. You don't like me telling it's the West coming up with these divisions, just like the way you don't like when I tell you country boundaries were created by the same people for political reasons.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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Quote:Last year, you did the same. Whenever you have nothing to say, when you realize how ignorant you are, you start getting frustrated and mad over your stupidity. You start using abusive words to try and make the other person mad so that it balances out. So if I get mad then it makes you feel bette kumbe people get annoyed by their own behavior?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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Quote:Then you said that I implied that there is nothing called Shia and Sunni groups. Of course there are such names as Sunni and Shia. But I just told you they have nothing to do with Islam. Islam is Islam, there is no sect. YOu will never find such groups in Quran or Hadith. If somebody comes up with sects, then that is not Islam. And I just told you that these groupings was created for political reasons. You don't like me telling it's the West coming up with these divisions, just like the way you don't like when I tell you country boundaries were created by the same people for political reasons. lol! then why are muslim a killing muslim b? Because they're whitewashed by mzungu? Do you practise nikah mut'ah? why or why not? ama ililetwa na mzungu for political reasons?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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Lolest! wrote:Quote:Last year, you did the same. Whenever you have nothing to say, when you realize how ignorant you are, you start getting frustrated and mad over your stupidity. You start using abusive words to try and make the other person mad so that it balances out. So if I get mad then it makes you feel bette kumbe people get annoyed by their own behavior? If you followed the talk, @mukiri asked me questions and I asnwered. I never returned back any abuses. Instead, I responded to @mukiri in kind, explaining respectfully why things are the way they are. I dialogue him in kindness all the way, with wisdom and beautiful references and quotes. I argued with him in ways that are best and most gracious. So I dare you @ecstacy or Wazuans or @admin to check the exchanges above and see if you can find where I abused @mukiri. But what did @mukiri do? He started using words which are disrespectful. He is weird. That is why he was "USERED" by @admin sometimes last year and he even said he is not going to read my posts!!!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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Lolest! wrote:Quote:Then you said that I implied that there is nothing called Shia and Sunni groups. Of course there are such names as Sunni and Shia. But I just told you they have nothing to do with Islam. Islam is Islam, there is no sect. YOu will never find such groups in Quran or Hadith. If somebody comes up with sects, then that is not Islam. And I just told you that these groupings was created for political reasons. You don't like me telling it's the West coming up with these divisions, just like the way you don't like when I tell you country boundaries were created by the same people for political reasons. lol! then why are muslim a killing muslim b? Because they're whitewashed by mzungu? Do you practise nikah mut'ah? why or why not? ama ililetwa na mzungu for political reasons? You can ask them. Killing is haram as far Quran and Hadith is concerned. If what people do in the world is what you use to judge, then suit yourself. Because I don't think I have to tell an objective person that the behaviour of one who calls himself a Christian is not necessarily an example of the life of Christ. And a Muslim therefore, is not necessarily an example of the faith that he might claim to embrace. Differentiate the two. NOTE: About this thing you keep singing about "nikah mut'ah", please click search there and see my reply on the same. I expect you to bring it up again sometimes in the future. You keep recycling these lies all the time.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/21/2010 Posts: 6,675 Location: Nairobi
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ecstacy wrote:guru267 wrote:ecstacy wrote:The leader of Boko Haram, Abubaker Shekau, has proclaimed an Islamic caliphate in the north eastern Nigerian town of Gwoza, which was seized by the Islamic militants earlier this month.
The gains made by the Islamic group in recent weeks are unprecedented and they are close to creating an Islamic caliphate in northern Nigeria, mirroring what IS (Islamic State) has done in Iraq and Syria. Lets see how long the white man's borders last now! What if the white man is the one who actually created IS?.. If the white man was a Muslim who genuinely wanted an Islamic State then he can feel free! Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/21/2010 Posts: 6,675 Location: Nairobi
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kizee1 wrote:guru267 wrote:[quote=ecstacy]The leader of Boko Haram, Abubaker Shekau, has proclaimed an Islamic caliphate in the north eastern Nigerian town of Gwoza, which was seized by the Islamic militants earlier this month.
The gains made by the Islamic group in recent weeks are unprecedented and they are close to creating an Islamic caliphate in northern Nigeria, mirroring what IS (Islamic State) has done in Iraq and Syria. Lets see how long the white man's borders last now! lets see how long ISIS/ISIL or whatever they call themselves last http://www.mirror.co.uk/...-forming-hunter-4097083[/quote] Those same bafoons are the ones who failed to defeat Afghan tribesmen in caves..  The IS is 50,000 well trained killers with 7,000 recruited in July and still growing... In an authentic hadith Prophet Muhammad predicted the final army would reach a whooping 50 Million troops strong! Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/23/2009 Posts: 2,375
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B.Timer wrote:AlphDoti wrote:B.Timer wrote:
There is no religion without sects/factions. Going forward even more factions will continue to form among Muslims as well as Christians.
This emanates from various interpretation of the books that the faiths are based. There is no telling whose interpretation, including @aphadoti’s, is the correct or the Heavenly sanctioned one!
Right now, the so called Sunnis have people who interpret their books differently. That why we have the fundamentalist and the liberals, the pro Caliphates and those opposed to it.
@alphadoti, how many factions of Islam are there in the world today!
Be honest and avoid semantics – burying heads in the sand!
@B.Timer it's true there reports which have been put out. These reports are developed in America. They have developed parameter to judge Muslims, evaluate Muslims. I'm not being semantics or anything. It is the so called non-muslim experts who are putting up these differences to politically and ideologically group people. Objective of this kind of categorization is to create hostility and opposition between different categories. That is why, next you will ask me are you fundamentalist, or traditionalist or modernist or Secularist? If you read the Quran, there is no such categories. And there are agreed authentic hadiths. That's all. Sorry I had actually forgotten that in your book everything wrong in your house is as a result of the US The Iranians and Iraqis are all Sunnis it’s only the US who created this Shia thing There are absolutely no differences in teachings and belief structure amongst the Muslims in Saudia and those in Iran, these Americans keep on cheating you know There is no war between the Sunnis and Shia at all The said Shiites teachings and books were all authored in Washington Going by @ alphadoti's wisdom! then the Muslims must be very naïve to always let the Americans infiltrate them and cause all these divisions and set agendas for them My apologies for expecting too much of our @alpha, he who carries the gold for deflecting and evading any inconvenient query on Islam One thing @Alph America as we know it now is about 400 years old at most while this inter Muslim Politricks began during the lifetime of the prophet's grandson, that must be about 1200 to 1300 years ago. It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt...
-Mark Twain
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 2/3/2012 Posts: 1,317
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I've been watching the BBC documentary about how Obama nailed Osama Bin Laden. Very nice.
Tick...tock
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/21/2010 Posts: 6,675 Location: Nairobi
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kollabo wrote:I've been watching the BBC documentary about how Obama nailed Osama Bin Laden. Very nice.
Tick...tock He nailed Bin Laden and so what?? Bin Laden was ready to die like every other jihadist... What you need to learn about Jihad is the death of a leader is a completely meaningless event to the Jihadis! Boko Haram leader was killed in 2009... How did that solve anything?? Pakistan Taliban leader was killed last year... Did that stop them?? Bin Laden was "nailed" in 2011... Where are we today?? Hamas has lost plenty of leaders... and so?? Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
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