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Bargains to buy from tomorrow???
VituVingiSana
#291 Posted : Tuesday, March 12, 2013 9:48:04 AM
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guru267 wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Kenya Re - Unless it is very cheap, it is of little interest. look how well Jubilee performs vs Kenya Re.


@VVS it is true Jubilee has usually has a better performance management than Kenya re but it think this Is more than compensated for in the share price

Price to book ratio: Kenya re (0.7) vs Jubilee (1.62)

Price to earnings ratio: Kenya re (5.4) vs Jubilee (7.5)

These differences in value reflect differences in management making them almost equal in terms of investment potential!
Well, that is why (if you read my original statement again, you will see I qualified it. "Kenya Re - Unless it is very cheap, it is of little interest"
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VituVingiSana
#292 Posted : Tuesday, March 12, 2013 9:52:05 AM
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@thedeal - CFCStanbic has underperformed vs other banks. Compare against NIC, I&M, DTB with 1/2 the assets yet similar PAT. The lower PER is deserved. As for Ethiopia, no foreign banks allowed to collect deposits so makes no sense. Buying Birr (by selling USD) to lend is a losing proposition with the depreciating Birr. The Birr is managed so the real value is lower than the CB rate.
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the deal
#293 Posted : Tuesday, March 12, 2013 10:04:03 AM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
@thedeal - CFCStanbic has underperformed vs other banks. Compare against NIC, I&M, DTB with 1/2 the assets yet similar PAT. The lower PER is deserved. As for Ethiopia, no foreign banks allowed to collect deposits so makes no sense. Buying Birr (by selling USD) to lend is a losing proposition with the depreciating Birr. The Birr is managed so the real value is lower than the CB rate.

I hope you are excluding goodwill in your calculation... cos goodwill excluded FY 2012 RoE at CFC 21.6% vs NIC 19.7%.
VituVingiSana
#294 Posted : Tuesday, March 12, 2013 12:08:11 PM
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the deal wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
@thedeal - CFCStanbic has underperformed vs other banks. Compare against NIC, I&M, DTB with 1/2 the assets yet similar PAT. The lower PER is deserved. As for Ethiopia, no foreign banks allowed to collect deposits so makes no sense. Buying Birr (by selling USD) to lend is a losing proposition with the depreciating Birr. The Birr is managed so the real value is lower than the CB rate.

I hope you are excluding goodwill in your calculation... cos goodwill excluded FY 2012 RoE at CFC 21.6% vs NIC 19.7%.

Knock the goodwill off & the P/B jumps ;-) ... Anyway, these prices for many shares are scaring me!
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theking
#295 Posted : Thursday, March 14, 2013 2:21:29 PM
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how long will these TNA colours b at the market. which ones r gd bargains after the 2 day drop?
Aguytrying
#296 Posted : Thursday, March 28, 2013 11:11:13 AM
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After cashing out into a large cash positions unexpectedly, I have been looking for bargains. And there are few left nowadays. I have identified the following four, that i would be comfortable to invest in. 2 are set to announce losses this FY, while the other 2 are set to announce almost half the profits they made last year.

TOTAL- Undervalued, having a bad year this year. things should turn around next year. Hidden potential due to oil find. buying target. 12.00-14.00.

KENOL- Still up for sale, a buyer will come. If not. Top management, so a turn around will come through in due time. Hope i can get at 9.00

TPSE- Undervalued on a P/B basis. P/B around 0.9. This years profits may not be as good as last years. However form here on out i expect it to maintain the growth trajectory in profits it has been accumulating since 2007. Buying Target 45-55.

NBK- I expect a turnaround this year. purely Speculative though. Buying target 18.50. if she goes, let her go

Most of the good chips have been taken away from the floor. These are the ones I've identified. LETS GO.
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VituVingiSana
#297 Posted : Thursday, March 28, 2013 12:05:59 PM
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@Aguy - Are they really discounted?

Total - Huge number of Preference Shares take get a dividend from PAT, if a div is declared.
KK - You know the drill. I would not mind them at 9 but it's a 2014 play.
TPSEA - Impeccable management. Lousy year for tourism with KE elections, petitions, etc & add problems in Europe which is the #1 source market.
NBK - Pure speculation.
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Aguytrying
#298 Posted : Thursday, March 28, 2013 12:42:57 PM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
@Aguy - Are they really discounted?

Total - Huge number of Preference Shares take get a dividend from PAT, if a div is declared.
KK - You know the drill. I would not mind them at 9 but it's a 2014 play.
TPSEA - Impeccable management. Lousy year for tourism with KE elections, petitions, etc & add problems in Europe which is the #1 source market.
NBK - Pure speculation.



Total- Here im banking on the turn around next year, and what TOTAL outre mer may do with TOTAL KE, they've already shown commitment with the company by increasing their stake thro' bail out last year. The preference shares is a bitter pill to swallow.

KK- agreed 2014 play

TPSEA- They should have a good H2(which is when they make most of their profits with the election cloud going away. On Europe im optimistic in the long term, effects may still be there this year and short term.

NBK- agreed. Don't try this at home
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VituVingiSana
#299 Posted : Thursday, March 28, 2013 1:26:28 PM
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Aguytrying wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
@Aguy - Are they really discounted?

Total - Huge number of Preference Shares take get a dividend from PAT, if a div is declared.
KK - You know the drill. I would not mind them at 9 but it's a 2014 play.
TPSEA - Impeccable management. Lousy year for tourism with KE elections, petitions, etc & add problems in Europe which is the #1 source market.
NBK - Pure speculation.

Total- Here im banking on the turn around next year, and what TOTAL outre mer may do with TOTAL KE, they've already shown commitment with the company by increasing their stake thro' bail out last year. The preference shares is a bitter pill to swallow.

KK- agreed 2014 play

TPSEA- They should have a good H2(which is when they make most of their profits with the election cloud going away. On Europe im optimistic in the long term, effects may still be there this year and short term.

NBK- agreed. Don't try this at home
Total KE had huge loans which was decimating their profits hence Outre Mer threw in cash to pay off the loans. The plus is PAT will increase & the pref dividend is much lower than paying interest. The disadvantage is that these could be converted to Ordinary Shares at some point which dilutes the Ordinary Shareholder. Or these can be redeemed [makes more sense for TOM] especially the ones at 31 which reduces the cash available to Total's ordinary shareholders...
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Aguytrying
#300 Posted : Thursday, March 28, 2013 1:45:57 PM
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@VVS are they any bargains to be had that you can see with experienced eyes?

I've had a hard time picking out companies since January. Maybe instead of forcing issues i should divert some of the cash to bonds as Graham recommends in such times.
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