@simon

That is a very poor analogy,renting from a thief does not create a risk to the renter. Now if the said thief asked me to give him my hard earned money in form of deposit or as part of a share in his future endeavors,then I would be very afraid.

Try another one.

@BAAK

Yours is a very lame argument,even Trade Bank in its hey days attracted young depositors. There is a reason those old pensioners bank with proven banks that have been around for years,it is because they dont want to take a risk with the only source of their livelihood. And as people grow older,they acquire more wealth and become more risk averse,so a young person who might have banked his meagre savings with Trade Bank in the 1980 would now prefer to bank his millions with Barclays.

Jaribu tena.

@BAAK

Eti talk to KACA and anti-corrupion,are you serius. Who has Ringera ever convicted of corruption. In Kenya we have had 40 years history of corruption and except for that AIDS Board director that Kiguoya sacrifised early in first term. nobody else has ever been convicted of corruption.

Ringera's sole role is to abate corruption investigations,not prevent or prosecute it,it is that 'ngo sroo' culture of thieves. Mwangi's role in the collapse of Trade Bank is public knowledge and if you dont know this fact then you are naive indeed about Kenya banking industry.

@TB

I cant wait for the day 'jaruos' take over the govt to see whether their 'ringeera' will be any different

I hope EB doesnt die since its the first bank to seriously patner with NEP residents

Me first,U next

It is well known that I question Equity and its business model as it doesn't make sense to me at all.

Having said that,I am not one to support a bank failing. Those like TB who take a falling bank as political capital have serious mental and emotional issues and must be ignored.

I preach against Equity and Kenyan banks because I love my country and not blinded by Equity multiple orgasms like some Equity lovers here are. Protecting this bank just because it gave you a loan is just as silly as TB hating it because it is owned by someone he thinks is a Kikuyu.

If Equity was to fail,so would the Kenyan economy. That is why it is important to ask questions of it any time it is not working as it should. So for those who love it,and are shareholders,instead of just going to those meetings and accepting everything they say as Prophetic,it is your duty to ask questions.

Questions such as,why their ATM's are always down. It is not enough to say everything is fine six months after this started.

So insist on accountability and this topic will be mute. Then please stop asking such questions as they have a habit of being asked elsewhere and life has a habit of self-fulfillment.

As for TB

I hate romour mongers so I will go by YOUR OWN rather than Mwangi's history. After someone reads your posts on this forum,it would be a stupid person who listens to your advice on anything. In fact,for that reason,I will support those that are supporting Equity on this particular topic.

To respond to thimioni,there are many scenarios under which Equity could colapse. Its collapse would impact the economy seriously because of its spread as a bank as well as a counterparty to other banks. Am assuming in this case we are talking about a total collapse. Equity had 53bn of customer deposits in Dec 08. GoK won't be able to cover that. The loan side would also cause serious headaches.

As to the Mwangi Trade Bank rumour. Its a lie. As I did 3yrs ago,here is my and a pal's ofer. If you have any evidence of the Ksh200m that Mwangi took,plse contact me offline and we'll mobilise depositors who lost money via Trade Bank and take it to a court. PS- you can file these sort of cases in almost any court not just in Kenya.

PPS: for us to continue having a intelligent rather than bile-filled discussion about Equity and in particular JM's role,can I recommend a reading of this seminal document http://www.microsave.org...ST%20EBS%20Rebirth.pdf. You may need to register your email to access it. The title is 'Understanding the Re-birth of Equity Building Society in Kenya'

PPPS: Mukiha-kudos on the laying out the barefacts. Some of the past and present principal investors in Equity have been non-Kenyans because Equity recognised back in the early 90s that your bank can collapse for political reasons. The one favor that CBK did for Equity was to allow Hellios shareholders to hide their names. The same exemption was extended to Co-op

Finally-one of the reasons that Equity was not fungua-d in 1992 was JM. At the time,Moi had zero time for kiuks. Won't it have been an apt time to close down an org led by somebody who had stolen from Trade Bank?





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TB

There was a time I wrote a very acid article here about mungiki. It might have been my first contribution to the forum.

Unlike you,I realised that I can make a point without going rancid while arguing. I grew up,moved on and I'm very happy now. You have a very serious mental and emotional issue and for your sake you need to grow up a bit.

There is no argument you bring up here that doesn't end up with a kikuyu angle. I am sorry,TB but your racism and shallow thinking are too obvious to ignore.

I am very specific in my points and go for particular issues in Kenyan banks. i won't be stopping now either. I am very vocal about bad management practises but find no pleasure in it. Any bank going down in this economy will affect even the railway terrorists. Just do yourself and your mental health a favour. Refrain thinking about Kikuyu angles even when you pee and you might get a hug.

However,please bring up your arguments,you might have a few friends here. In the meantime,I am only praying for the day that SK decides to add an ignore button to this forum.

I don't want this thread to disappear before TB returns from his slumber,therefore,here is some more data:

Co-Op Bank

a) Liquidity Ratio 33.1%
b) Minimum Statutory Ratio 20.0%
c) Excess (a-b) 13.1

g) Core capital/total deposit liabilities 18.9%
h) Minimum Statutory Ratio 8.0%
i) Excess 10.9% 2.5%

j) Core capital/total risk weighted assets 22.0%
k) Minimum Statutory Ratio 8.0%
l) Excess (j-k) 14.0%

m) Total capital/total risk weighted assets 23.5%
n) Minimum Statutory Ratio 12.0%
o) Excess (m-n) 11.5%

It is no wonder all the so-called 'big & stable' banks are running scared of Equity's success!

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@Litoro:

Undergrad or postgrad? Anyway,this is not the time to reveal...

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@TB:

OK. You made your case; I made mine.

Let's agree to disagree. Sawa?


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