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Wendz
#21 Posted : Thursday, July 01, 2010 12:00:05 PM
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Soko tele wrote:
Wendz wrote:
Soko tele wrote:
Another reason why i will vote NO. ......the draft is doubling MPS and if it passes we will be spending over 8Bn is MP salaries alone.
God Save Kenya





Vote yes with me and we shall have powers to kick the bloody thieves out of their seats if they pull that one on us!


The same MPs will legislates how an MP can be kicked out...........you tell me how objective that ACT will be. I can bet on my boda boda that they will make it near impossible to recall any of their own...........

@Kizee
Its going to be unrealistic and hence opens the discussion for a review downwards. Either way, the No campgain does not mean that we wont have a new constitution and the contentious issues (abortion, land, Kadhi and spelling mistakes) do not touch on the devolution...... so this will still stand... or am i wrong?



That's true sokotele but at least the document also gives us a chance to choose an independent President who may have his head on his shoulders and might actually put this country in the right track.... Sometimes we fail to choose the right people because they are not "in the circles" of the parties pushing their agendas.... there are many options in this proposed constitutions that can help us put the country in the right track without having to rely on the MPs. Remember there will also be senators and governors etc who might actually push these goons.....
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Soko tele
#22 Posted : Thursday, July 01, 2010 12:33:43 PM
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kizee wrote:
Wendz wrote:
Soko tele wrote:
Another reason why i will vote NO. ......the draft is doubling MPS and if it passes we will be spending over 8Bn is MP salaries alone.
God Save Kenya



I think we are better off with the new constitution.... what makes you think you are safe with this one when the same MPs have the powers to change the boundaries and dish out constituencies without consulting you? they can increase the numbers and we still wont do anything... As Fundaah says, i think they are trying to beat the constitution by awarding themselves hefty increases so that by the time it passes, it will be odd to review it downwards....

Vote yes with me and we shall have powers to kick the bloody thieves out of their seats if they pull that one on us!




...i guess if we have a new constitution we will have to pay these salos for an extra 100 mps ama? so shud we really vote yes on these grounds?


There will be 196 more Mps................do the mathd'oh! d'oh!
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Impunity
#23 Posted : Thursday, July 01, 2010 12:45:38 PM
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Soko tele wrote:
kizee wrote:
Wendz wrote:
Soko tele wrote:
Another reason why i will vote NO. ......the draft is doubling MPS and if it passes we will be spending over 8Bn is MP salaries alone.
God Save Kenya



I think we are better off with the new constitution.... what makes you think you are safe with this one when the same MPs have the powers to change the boundaries and dish out constituencies without consulting you? they can increase the numbers and we still wont do anything... As Fundaah says, i think they are trying to beat the constitution by awarding themselves hefty increases so that by the time it passes, it will be odd to review it downwards....

Vote yes with me and we shall have powers to kick the bloody thieves out of their seats if they pull that one on us!




...i guess if we have a new constitution we will have to pay these salos for an extra 100 mps ama? so shud we really vote yes on these grounds?


There will be 196 more Mps................do the mathd'oh! d'oh!


DRAFT law??? Emphatic NO!
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rasilio
#24 Posted : Thursday, July 01, 2010 12:48:36 PM
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I wonder why kenyans love complaining so much

It is true that they have added their salaries. It is also true that you can do nothing and I mean nothing about it.

But somehow you blame this on the new constitution!

My friend soko tele, what do you suggest we do about it. In fact, I am sure that they will increase the salaries again, so what to do about it.

The present constitution allows them to increase their salaries when they feel about it. Since we are living in it, what is your suggestion on what we should do about it.

I know voting yes will stop this once and for all.
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Soko tele
#25 Posted : Thursday, July 01, 2010 1:07:03 PM
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rasilio wrote:
I wonder why kenyans love complaining so much

It is true that they have added their salaries. It is also true that you can do nothing and I mean nothing about it.

But somehow you blame this on the new constitution!

My friend soko tele, what do you suggest we do about it. In fact, I am sure that they will increase the salaries again, so what to do about it.

The present constitution allows them to increase their salaries when they feel about it. Since we are living in it, what is your suggestion on what we should do about it.

I know voting yes will stop this once and for all.


I have not blamed anything on the new constitution infact i want it amended before 4th August.

Just put a clause in the draft that says anyone who is actively involved in drafting the constitution( MPs, COE , IIEC and the boundery commissioners) are not eligible to hold any political office untill after 2 terms.
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rasilio
#26 Posted : Thursday, July 01, 2010 1:14:09 PM
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you will discover that if you complain less and find solutions more, you may have nothing to complain about.

If i was in their shoes and the law allowed me to increase my salaries willy nilly. You would not even complain about these guys.

Stop complaining, do something about it or shut up and live with it. It saves a lot of your bandwidth.
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McReggae
#27 Posted : Thursday, July 01, 2010 1:38:25 PM
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Kenyans yawa......who would say no????
.....even Mutava Musyimi is in the house!!!!!!
..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
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kizee
#28 Posted : Thursday, July 01, 2010 1:50:06 PM
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rasilio wrote:
you will discover that if you complain less and find solutions more, you may have nothing to complain about.

If i was in their shoes and the law allowed me to increase my salaries willy nilly. You would not even complain about these guys.

Stop complaining, do something about it or shut up and live with it. It saves a lot of your bandwidth.



lets see...hes/she is doing something about it..hes/shes voicing his dissatisfaction on an internet forum visited by a good number of kenyans..some who share his/her opinion...who knows what next? something may actually come out of it...ama shud he/she chain himself to a tree like okia omtata? ama go to the streets and start chanting mali yetu?
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Much Know
#29 Posted : Thursday, July 01, 2010 1:55:57 PM
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Wendz wrote:

I think we are better off with the new constitution.... what makes you think you are safe with this one

We have said before that the options should not be the proposed constitution against the current one, as there are too many other better options which have been put forward and ignored, for example removing (or voting separately) for the very few contentious sections and voting first for those where there is consensous. I would also like to see a constitution that ensures NOBODY CAN DECIDE HOW TO PAY THEMSELVES WITH PUBLIC FUNDS, no wonder the politicians are using simple lies to woo masses.
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Fundaah
#30 Posted : Thursday, July 01, 2010 2:06:00 PM
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Much Know wrote:
[quote=Wendz]
We have said before that the optionsshould notbe the proposed constitution against the current oneagreed but we are already in a situation where the position is between the draft and the current constitution , as there are too many other better options which have been put forward and ignored..unfortunately these will put a reverse gear on the gains already achieved in the draft as you know there are many chameleons in by the name politicians so we better take the positives by the draft than wait for the chameleons to change their colours/stand ,
..... I would also like to see a constitution that ensures NOBODY CAN DECIDE HOW TO PAY THEMSELVES WITH PUBLIC FUNDS, ..this is sorted out in the draft

So why not say 'Yes'
Isaiah 65:17-Look! I am creating new heavens and a new earth, and no one will even think about the old ones anymore
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