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NTV Inside the constitution.
kadonye
#21 Posted : Friday, May 28, 2010 8:23:54 AM
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I missed it, main points?
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masukuma
#22 Posted : Friday, May 28, 2010 8:35:46 AM
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Nation poll last night on the Kadhi's courts. 70% don't want it 30% want it.
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sky5
#23 Posted : Friday, May 28, 2010 8:55:53 AM
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whichever way you look at it, the big rush to enact a constitution with contentious issues is not to the best interests of most Kenyans. I believe that Kenyans are now well informed to vote wisely.

If the referendum was held at the beginning of May, the 'YES' vote would have carried the day, but I don't see that happenning come August 4th.
Ray
#24 Posted : Friday, May 28, 2010 9:17:58 AM
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During the debate the deputy speaker was unruly and not in order.He told Joe Ageyo that he brought his christian friends as the audience. That was derogatory.
Ja-Kom
#25 Posted : Friday, May 28, 2010 9:56:15 AM
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Hii mambo ngumu.Why should the courts be protected under the proposed constitution?? Still have no answer to this question..
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muganda
#26 Posted : Friday, May 28, 2010 10:40:33 AM
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TV programme was interesting - can't argue with that.

I was disappointed by behaviour of audience which reflected choice of venue - Strathmore is a Catholic institution and I'd warrant over 75% of institution doesn't support Kadhi's courts. The audience was hostile to Mr.Faram and Ms.Wambui.


Best comeback of the evening was when Mr.Kanjama prove beyond doubt that constitutions can be inconsistent requiring some hierachical interpretation of the document.

"Is Kenya a secular state?" - this question caused a conondrum. At first panelists were arguing our constitution does not primarily lean towards Christianity. Then when this question was asked, they felt Kenya should not wholly ascribe to secularism.


"Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere." These powerful words written by Martin Luther King in 1963 from a Birmingham Jail; and quoted by Mr.Ongote surmised my opinion of the matter.
sky5
#27 Posted : Friday, May 28, 2010 10:54:27 AM
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muganda wrote:
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"Is Kenya a secular state?" - this question caused a conondrum. At first panelists were arguing our constitution does not primarily lean towards Christianity. Then when this question was asked, they felt Kenya should not wholly ascribe to secularism.



Although over 75% of Kenyans call themselves Christians (by Christian names), Kenya is a secular state. If it were to be non-secular state, which religion would be defined as state religion in the constitution?
muganda
#28 Posted : Friday, May 28, 2010 1:09:08 PM
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@sky5, majority of Kenyans lean towards Christianity. It affects our thinking, beliefs, our being... And so it finds itself into the constitution.

So it was slightly amusing to see the panel yesterday argue they don't want Islam because we are secular; and on the other hand argue 'life begins at conception' clause is not a inherently Christian demand.

Also debators could not agree if Muslims are a 'minority'...
Kenya: 88%Christian 10%Islam 2%Other
(wikipedia)
nanfor1
#29 Posted : Friday, May 28, 2010 1:15:33 PM
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someone has lied to these fellows that all Kenyans care. Watching the program yesterday was telling in its obvious slant. The scary thing was to see the reactions of the guys at the coast. Those thinking that there will be a new draft in november should take a shot of my rum. Next round will be total majimbo whether these fundamentalists want it or not.
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Intelligentsia
#30 Posted : Friday, May 28, 2010 1:22:33 PM
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masukuma, so much with the hole-poking in all these threads.
Now be honest to yourself and wazuans and tell us what are the main POSITIVE things about the draft.
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