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Uganda's Air Superiority
quicksand
#21 Posted : Monday, May 09, 2011 12:49:41 PM
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@Intelligentsia.
6 Sukhois cannot possibly cost 1.2 billion US dollars. I read somewhere (sorry, have no link) that an advanced fighter aircraft goes from 30 to 50 mill USD. Except the F22 Raptor, which the US is not even ready to sell yet
Intelligentsia
#22 Posted : Monday, May 09, 2011 1:32:45 PM
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quicksand wrote:
@Intelligentsia.
6 Sukhois cannot possibly cost 1.2 billion US dollars.

1 Su-30MK2 costs circa USD 54m X 6 = USD 324M
although they took USD 740M from Bank of Uganda; the bal. was 99.999% most likely siphoned to finance M7's recent re-election campaign. They done that mob times before anyway, that's why until now Ug. has had a Mickey Mouse airforce

I read somewhere (sorry, have no link) that an advanced fighter aircraft goes from 30 to 50 mill USD.

The Su-30MK2 is an advanced fighter and costs about USD 54M so that's in line with your upper limit of USD 50M. But the same amount fetches a 3rd gen plane if you buy from the West.
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi_Su-30MKK)

Except the F22 Raptor, which the US is not even ready to sell yet

Weaponry from the West is generally expensive that that from the East. In fact kila kitu from West is expe! Si that's why we are buying Chinese products in many areas, sio? Forget about the U.S. selling the Raptor to any other country for now, also note Raptor is a 5th generational fighter; Kenya's F-5Es are 2nd gen. fighters; while the Su-30MK2 are 4th gen fighters


poundfoolish
#23 Posted : Monday, May 09, 2011 2:37:41 PM
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did i read Jenga 'wananichi' Kaa-ndume...

oops my bad.. it's Njenga wananichi Karume
simonkabz
#24 Posted : Monday, May 09, 2011 2:53:14 PM
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@intel, wewe noma. I think the US$ 740m price tag includes Su30 platforms, aircraft combat weaponry, pilot/tech training, spares, other ground weapons, and of course not forgeting a fat kickback....
TULIA.........UFUNZWE!
Intelligentsia
#25 Posted : Monday, May 09, 2011 3:16:19 PM
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@skabz you are right it includes all those; initially the birds will have to be piloted by experienced Ukranian crews as no Ugandans have currently have any xperience with this bird for now.
Burning Spear
#26 Posted : Monday, May 09, 2011 5:31:19 PM
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[quote=Intelligentsia]@Rahatupu,
they are modernising.Quietly.
@Simonkabz, I believe some of the Sukhoi's have already been delivered; M7 arm-twisted the Ug. Parliment into rubber-stamping the very inflated purchases of these 4th generation fighters.
It will be violating Kenyan airspace but I don't put it beyond M7 to send the fighters travelling at Mach 2-plus streaking across Kenyan terriory to run sorties against Al-Shabaab in support of since Ug troops in AMISOM in Somalia who can now be able to call in air cover...
BTW, a Sukhoi such as this costs about USD 54m (say KShs 4.5b at KShs/USD 83)enough to pay for our Free Prim. Edu budget for a year...ha!

According to the latest data from the Stockholm Institute of International Peace Research Institute annual database, and its Military Balance report, Kenya has the smallest army in the region:

Eritrea - has 201,750 troops
DR Congo -151,251
Ethiopia - 38,000
Sudan - 190,300
Uganda -45,000
Rwanda - 33,000
Tanzania - 27,000
KENYA - 24,000
Burundi at 17,000 (figures from Burundi, though, indicate its army is 29,000 strong).

Despite that, Kenya trumps all these countries in defence spending, at $735 million annually and rising. This is equivalent to 2.1 per cent of Kenya’s $35 billion GDP. Analysts say most of this money has gone to upgrading military capability — which was becoming obsolete — and force readiness ....

E.A's Quiet Arms Race.

http://www.theeastafrica.../-/o3915fz/-/index.html[/quote]


the in formation about the number of troops is incorrect.Though kenya has fewer troops than its neighbours,it does not have 27,000,this is a conservative figure rather than real.

Also,it does not pay to have a bloated resource who hardly get some decnt pay by month end eg Uganda UPDF private gets a average of Ksh 5,000 compared to kenya Armay Private at Ksh 35,000.

You can have the numbers but quality be an issue.
"You're not supposed to be so blind with patriotism that you can't face reality. Wrong is wrong, no matter who says it". Malcolm X
simonkabz
#27 Posted : Monday, May 09, 2011 6:40:36 PM
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@bs consider that UPDF has over 8000 soldiers in the AMISOM. Fair pay, great experience (battle hardening in the most dangerous country in the world)...In 3yrs time, nearly the entire UPDF will have served in that hellhole....thats sth to ponder, right?
TULIA.........UFUNZWE!
Djinn
#28 Posted : Tuesday, May 10, 2011 10:37:48 AM
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Interesting discussion - when I saw the list by @intelligentsia showing the number of troops in Eastern African nations, I recalled a Sudanese Comprehensive Peace Agreement (CPA) map I saw. And for those that have mentioned Egypt, River Nile, Russia, China, Oil, Water, etc - you are on point.

The Southern Sudan deal was VERY difficult to broker owing to interests of more than a dozen countries - some of them outside Africa.

See the PDF here - http://publicintelligenc...ve-peace-agreement-map/

(click download PDF - Not the first graphic - that is more of a preview).

I hope you have a 17" or 19" screen for its rather broad - but its mind boggling knowing which interests orbit around Southern Sudan and also the history of the people around the region....
Rahatupu
#29 Posted : Tuesday, May 10, 2011 2:40:03 PM
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@Spear, quality does not come from sitting in the barracks through entire career punctuated by a few peacekeeping operations. It comes from the battle front period.
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#30 Posted : Tuesday, May 10, 2011 6:06:05 PM
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Any African army would not be a thread to even the fire brigade of an Austrian mountain village.
As long as African people suffer from poverty, diseases and lack of affordable education, spending funds on technically slimmed down fighter planes is in my opinion just obscene.
Carpe Aptenodytes!
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