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The abortion Debate
cruso
#41 Posted : Tuesday, May 18, 2010 9:30:18 AM
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Let me ask on a point of information, should we leave these matters to the ladies alone? And what impact will that have on the whole issue of enabling men to be responsible members of society?

I pose these two FUNDAMENTAL questions bcoz often times men r always accused of abdicating their responsibility as fathers....will it help in telling them that the issue of pregnancy is a woman's issue n he has no say in it?

My hunch is that so long as we r Africans, matters to do with children are society matters - men and women included.
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sky5
#42 Posted : Tuesday, May 18, 2010 9:51:59 AM
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@cruso; these matters should not be left to the woman. It takes the two to tango. If left to the man, I think there will be more abortions. I believe most ladies decide to abort either because the man responsible (or is it irresponsible) demands it to be done or the lady does it out of frustration and rejection by the man and left to go it alone.

So I agree that if we men who are men enough to take responsibility for the pregnancy, the cases would be much less. But sadly, it is men who give the prescription on this debate.

On the other side of the debate, what happens to women who get pregnant after rape? Should they be allowed to abort or not?
masukuma
#43 Posted : Tuesday, May 18, 2010 10:39:41 AM
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@sky5, Rape is indeed a heinous crime, a primitive and uncouth crime that should be punished highly and i even suggest castration should be considered for repeat offenders. However, even if rape is a crime done by the now 'prospective' father, an abortion will still be murder of an innocent life. since the feotus has not done anything to deserve it. Regardless of the means and channel a life was brought into being - an innocent life should be protected. However it would be unfair to ask the victim to live with this child (a reminder of an atrocity employed on her) and thus at this point the government and church or private children homes should raise this child - who know who they may be.
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cruso
#44 Posted : Tuesday, May 18, 2010 10:50:12 AM
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@SKY5, in my earlier post I had suggested that in case of rape, the lady may be forced to make that decision alone without involving or seeking the counsel of the rapist. But lets not forget that the raped lady has brothers, cousins, a father, friends etc....who are men and she may seek their assistance or counsel...

I therefore still support @famooz that as society we should step up our responsibility concerning this matter by establishing institutions that can take care of such children because for sure they are totally innocent if you ask me, besides the aftermath of procuring an abortion has immense negative effects on our women that its not just worth it.
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sky5
#45 Posted : Tuesday, May 18, 2010 12:06:16 PM
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@masukuma; I agree rape is a barbaric act that should be punished severely and abortion of the innocent is murder. I think the idea of an institution (govt or church sponsored) to care for these babies is a very good one.

@cruso; You are quite right! The trauma of rape and abortion combined can be very damaging and depressive to the woman. I believe there is post rape counselling for this.
Intelligentsia
#46 Posted : Tuesday, May 18, 2010 3:35:59 PM
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FACT: Let's face it, we are in the 3rd world. we can't afford
institutions to take care of all (or even the
majority of) 'unwanted'(I cringe at the word) babies, in the
same way we don't have enough primary schools, hospitals,
colleges - ah,kila kitu! thats why its never featured highly
or at all in our national budget...even in more developed
countries the problem persists

Any interventions to reduce the incidences of abortion therefore have to focus on preventing the main cause of unwanted pregnacies - unprotected sex.
Unfortunately, so far sex education, religious institutions, threat of STIs, being killed by your lover's lover, and even death have failed to dampen the mood for unprotected sex...

And going by history,I think interventions to totally reduce casual unproteced sex are futile, a lost cause because sex is the second most powerful drive in humans after the hunger drive. This drive is so powerful, cuts across cultures, races, religions,across the most human sophisticated communities as well as the most priitive Sentinelese communities in the Bay of Bengal.

Discussion of sex-related issues has always been difficult across eons and will never have consensus.
Like:
- to legitimise or de-legitimise prostitution?
- to legitimise or de-legitimise abortion?
- why aren't STDs fully eradicated?
- Why polygamy & NOT polyandry?
- GALCK
- etc

the human race is at its most advanced in its history yet these problems still persist. We the current humankind found the above problems and will still leave them behind us. At best we will reduce the incidences. Sad reality.

QSTN: Why do women still get paged even when they can use protection, or failing that still have 3 full days within which to take Postinor 2 (or other) emergency contraception to prevent pregnancy?
Djinn
#47 Posted : Wednesday, May 19, 2010 2:06:51 PM
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this article

http://www.facebook.com/...id=517232010&ref=mf

very ably and competently addresses the issue of abortion - even a pro-life like me has to doubt
masukuma
#48 Posted : Wednesday, May 19, 2010 6:24:52 PM
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i always think ignoring the fact that it is the fate of person being discussed should never be forgotten.
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