@FUNDAAH, i didnt say i'm voting no!I need to read n discuss it first....That Zambian article shows us how fake our journalists are.They feed people with lies that their country is the worst and try to paint worse doing countries 'clean'.did u notice how they've overrated our politicians!We all know why no amendment passed, coz they played politics with the draft.And 4 the religious leaders, we know they aren't happy and want us to vote NO.

Kadonye...

for the 'undecideds'and 'not to register' as voters ...I've put them as no.... with assumption of 'if the referendum was done NOW'...

Also the Zambian Journalist may be wrong in some aspects...but my disclaimer was
'it is always greener on the other side of the fence'...his perceptions are however what Africa and the world feels about Kenya.and the Draft constitution


see also
http://news.yahoo.com/s/...aconstitutionparliament


White House praises Kenya constitution move
Chicago Fri Apr 2, 7:26 pm ET
WASHINGTON (AFP) – The White House Friday welcomed the Kenyan parliament's approval of a new draft constitution, hoping for a "promising new chapter" for a country in which US President Barack Obama has family roots.

"We are encouraged by the strong statements made by President (Mwai) Kibaki and Prime Minister (Raila) Odinga in support of the draft," said White House press secretary Robert Gibbs in a statement.

"A unified effort to see this important reform element through can help to turn the page to a promising new chapter of Kenyan history.

"We urge all Kenyans to focus on the future of their nation and to unify in support of a peaceful and credible referendum and electoral process."

Kenyan lawmakers approved the new draft constitution on Thursday, introducing key changes to the country's basic law, which will be submitted to a referendum later this year.

Enacting a new constitution was one of the reforms called for under a power-sharing deal between Kibaki and former opposition chief Odinga after the country's post-election unrest two years ago.

The draft proposes the creation of a Senate and of a Supreme Court. It also gives the new bicameral National Assembly authority to impeach the president.

Obama, whose late father was Kenyan, is closely followed in Kenya, and his election as America's first black president was widely celebrated there.

Mine is a resounding NO.

you seem not to be informed that the Kadhi's courts in the proposed constitution is worse than what we currently have....

The central MPs rukad the RV MPs for the amendment they considered so dear (after rejecting it in Naivasha because it was an ODM proposal)...i'm sure the trust is lost

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you seem not to be informed that the Kadhi's courts in the proposed constitution is worse than what we currently have.... [/quote]

Can you please explain in english and without quoting a bible verse what you mean?

I heard that on k24 today...no one explained.

@ Nancy...http://www.wazua.co.ke/forum.aspx?g=posts&t=6270&p=2#post71871.
The clause about "state and religion" has for the first time been removed from a proposed constitution.
Your tax will be paying for the running of the kadhi's courts even if hautahukumiwa huko...it is open for them to demand state funding (including trips to Mecca)

Here is the difference.

Current

66. Kadhis' Courts.
1. There shall be a Chief Kadhi and such number, not being less than three, of other Kadhis as may be pro- scribed by or under an Act of Parliament.
2. A person shall not be qualified to be appointed to hold or act in the office of Kadhi unless-
a. he professes the Muslim religion; and
b. he possesses such knowledge of the Muslim law applicable to any sect or sects of Muslims as qualifies him, in the opinion of the Judicial Service Commission, to hold a Kadhi's court.
3. Without prejudice to section 65 (1), there shall be such subordinate courts held by Kadhis as Parliament may establish and each Kadhi's court shall, subject to this Con stitution, have such jurisdiction and powers as may be conferred on it by any law.
4. The Chief Kadhi and the other Kadhis, or the Chief Kadhi and such of the other Kadhis (not being less than three in number) as may be prescribed by or under an Act of Parliament, shall each be empowered to hold a Kadhi's court having jurisdiction within the former Protectorate or within such part of the former Protectorate as may be so prescribed: Provided that no part of the former Protectorate shall be outside the jurisdiction of some Kadhi's court.
5. The jurisdiction of a Kadhi's court shall extend to the determination of questions of Muslim law relating to per- sonal status, marriage, divorcc or inheritance in proceedings in which all the parties profess the Muslim religion

Draft
Kadhis’ Courts

203. (1) There shall be a Chief Kadhi and such number, not being fewer than three, of
other Kadhis as may be prescribed by or under an Act of Parliament.
(2) A person shall not be qualified to be appointed to hold or act in the office of
Kadhi unless the person—
(a) professes the Muslim religion; and
(b) possesses such knowledge of the Muslim law applicable to any
sects of Muslims as qualifies that person, in the opinion of the
Judicial Service Commission, to hold a Kadhi’s court.
(3) Without prejudice to Article 202, there shall be such subordinate courts
held by Kadhis as Parliament may establish and each Kadhi’s court
shall, subject to this Constitution, have such jurisdiction and powers as
may be conferred on it by law.
(4) The Chief Kadhi and the other Kadhis, or the Chief Kadhi and such of
the other Kadhis (not being fewer than three in number) as may be
prescribed by or under an Act of Parliament, shall each be empowered
to hold a Kadhi’s court having jurisdiction within Kenya.(6) The jurisdiction of a Kadhi’s court shall be limited to the determination
of questions of Muslim law relating to personal status, marriage, divorce
or inheritance in proceedings in which all the parties profess the Muslim
religion and submit to the jurisdiction of the Kadhi’s courts.

I think you have just shown why the muslims were scared. You guys are amazing.

So, you will be ok if all muslims were relegated to the protectorate area.

why then not go majimbo all the way?

lets have the kadhis court in the protectorate area and leave the rest of the country to the "holy" christians.

aiii yawa!

Please guys, vote No and still have the Kadhis court. Vote Yes and still have a Kadhis court.

In short, you are speaking in tongues that I can't understand.

People, define FORMER PROTECTORATE? FORMER PROTECTORATE was not the coast region.... to my understanding, KENYA was the PROTECTORATE........... and even if it was the coast region, does it mean that muslims do not have the right to own and reside in any other part of the country except the coastal strip?

I am not even sure of what we are arguing about here.... so, what is the actual danger of having kadhi courts in the constitution? if we feel that another religion should not be treated "uniquely" then why cant the Christians come up with their courts and i will be more than glad to vote for them to be entrenched in the constitution? Its like stopping a goat from eating "miriyo ndikahuhite" and you are not going to eat them!!!!