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Matiba sells 2m Carbacid Shares to Centum
stockyt
#21 Posted : Wednesday, May 20, 2009 8:57:00 AM
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My 2cents.

Cant see much in centums acquisition of 20%carbacid unless smebody should tell us at what price. that is the most important point. centum's value is based on their diversified portfolio,acquiring so much of one company is not necessarily great opportunity unless at big bargain- remember RVR which has much greater potential.

I mean there are bargains all over the place- perhaps the only advantage in carbacids case is that they will be able to get the big chunk without having to disrupt supply/demand as would be with other bargain counters currently trading.

And I bet the pricing/valuation will not be very different from current status of other trading counters.
The General
#22 Posted : Wednesday, May 20, 2009 9:09:00 AM
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@stockyt,Maybe this could answer your question on the value of carbacid to Centum:

The company mines carbon dioxide,and fills the gas in cylinders at its Nairobi plant. The largest consumers of Carbacid products are soft drink and beer manufacturers.


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Ruchwarsteve
#23 Posted : Wednesday, May 20, 2009 9:51:00 AM
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jammo
#24 Posted : Wednesday, May 20, 2009 10:01:00 AM
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Centum..
What's their main source of income?
..dividends from other investments
..share of profits from other businesses
..nini ingine?..occasional trade off of an investment..
My point..it's not a collective investment scheme..with constant flow of cash..regardless of market status..bull..bear..pig..etc

so..cost averagin by centum in stocks is limited by cash they have..fact of the matter..whole stock portfolio is down more than 50%...buying more to easen loss burden in very much limited by the cash the hold..especially when all businesses had a slump last year n not everyone was keen on declaring dividend...




+If ur investment lost 50% value..and u bought more of it..same cash value as earlier purchase..assumin its kcb bought earlier at 30 n it's at 15..it would mean that at 23 u'd hav broken even..the more u buy..the better for u..especially if price is goin up... But do you have that much cash to do so..not only one counter..but all others? ..plus everytime index turns red u r totally petrified!
The perception that most institutions hav some genius of sorts locked in a room to come up with excellent investment especially in the NSE is a lie!! If anyone had approached u to buy their carbacid/Boc shares i doubt u'd hav hesitated to buy.
On that note...the alliance nominees that sold to centum must hav clawed in a good profit..so until centum tables the figures.Talk is cheap..even for CEOs. Please look for another thing to buy! Especially if the ur investment in centum is likely to be more than 10% overall portfolio.
But again.. I could be wrong.


DISCLAIMER: This is the opinion of one Jammo,CFA,CPA,Opinionated and Loud,based in nairobi. Whilst care has been taken in compiling the data to be as most factual n logical,he doesn't accept any responsibility of accuracy or completeness of info contained herein..neither does he purport to be a genius!
The Real Shaft
#25 Posted : Wednesday, May 20, 2009 10:25:00 AM
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right said ....

however....

why does an investor.... such as myself.......

need to know what a company does.... i thought it was how........

and that is why i still have msc.....

and not kcb....

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The General
#26 Posted : Wednesday, May 20, 2009 10:33:00 AM
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@ Jammo,i don't think your wrong,i think you are spot on especially with this comment:

The perception that most institutions hav some genius of sorts locked in a room to come up with excellent investment especially in the NSE is a lie!!

To prove this,one only has to look at the NSE listed portfolio that Centum has.

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Mainat
#27 Posted : Wednesday, May 20, 2009 11:12:00 AM
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If my source is correct (and I&rsquo;m doubting it now),that Centum paid Ksh350m for the stake (its 22.5% btw),then this could well be the bargain deal of yr so far. Carbacid's interim dps was Ksh5 and annualised EPS is 19.53 based on interim PBT of KSh155m.

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jammo
#28 Posted : Wednesday, May 20, 2009 11:37:00 AM
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@mjengakenya...that translates to about 137bob a share..closing price when the suspension took effect.. I don't get this...the seller didn't factor in value growth over period of suspension? Kwani how desperate r they for the 350million!

DISCLAIMER: This is the opinion of one Jammo,CFA,CPA,Opinionated and Loud,based in nairobi. Whilst care has been taken in compiling the data to be as most factual n logical,he doesn't accept any responsibility of accuracy or completeness of info contained herein..neither does he purport to be a genius!
Mainat
#29 Posted : Wednesday, May 20, 2009 11:53:00 AM
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@jam- hence the caveat...But I seem to recall reading about some cash issues/unpdaid loans affecting some if not most of Matiba's businesses akina Hillcrest; Alliance hotels et al-so maybe immediate cashflow injection was too tempting...

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mozenrat
#30 Posted : Wednesday, May 20, 2009 11:55:00 AM
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@Jammo.... Can't say whether the 350 figure is correct but as to desperation... Oh yes they are... That I know... visited their hotels lately?... They need the money...
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