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Why I reject the BBI
2012
#21 Posted : Monday, October 28, 2019 3:37:25 PM
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Posts: 6,592
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Fyatu wrote:
Quick question...

Will the BBI be presented to Kenyans in the form of referendum questions or will it be discussed in parliament and exposed to a vote on the floor of the house?


That's the thing, sadly, we don't know the content of BBI meaning we can't even tell if it requires a referendum or minor amends by parliament according to Artical 255 of the constitution.

(1) A proposed amendment to this Constitution shall be enacted in accordance with Article 256 or 257, and approved in accordance with clause (2) by a referendum, if the amendment relates to any of the following matters–--

(a) the supremacy of this Constitution;
(b) the territory of Kenya;
(c) the sovereignty of the people;
(d) the national values and principles of governance referred to in Article 10 (2) (a) to (d);
(e) the Bill of Rights;
(f) the term of office of the President;
(g) the independence of the Judiciary and the commissions and independent offices to which Chapter Fifteen applies;
(h) the functions of Parliament;
(i) the objects, principles and structure of devolved government; or
(j) the provisions of this Chapter.

(2) A proposed amendment shall be approved by a referendum under clause (1) if–--

(a) at least twenty per cent of the registered voters in each of at least half of the counties vote in the referendum;
and
(b) the amendment is supported by a simple majority of the citizens voting in the referendum.

(3) An amendment to this Constitution that does not relate to a matter specified in clause (1) shall be enacted either--

(a) by Parliament, in accordance with Article 256; or
(b) by the people and Parliament, in accordance with Article 257.

BBI will solve it
:)
Josey
#22 Posted : Tuesday, October 29, 2019 7:50:13 PM
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Joined: 9/12/2009
Posts: 236
Location: Nairobi
2012 wrote:
Fyatu wrote:
Quick question...

Will the BBI be presented to Kenyans in the form of referendum questions or will it be discussed in parliament and exposed to a vote on the floor of the house?


That's the thing, sadly, we don't know the content of BBI meaning we can't even tell if it requires a referendum or minor amends by parliament according to Artical 255 of the constitution.

(1) A proposed amendment to this Constitution shall be enacted in accordance with Article 256 or 257, and approved in accordance with clause (2) by a referendum, if the amendment relates to any of the following matters–--

(a) the supremacy of this Constitution;
(b) the territory of Kenya;
(c) the sovereignty of the people;
(d) the national values and principles of governance referred to in Article 10 (2) (a) to (d);
(e) the Bill of Rights;
(f) the term of office of the President;
(g) the independence of the Judiciary and the commissions and independent offices to which Chapter Fifteen applies;
(h) the functions of Parliament;
(i) the objects, principles and structure of devolved government; or
(j) the provisions of this Chapter.

(2) A proposed amendment shall be approved by a referendum under clause (1) if–--

(a) at least twenty per cent of the registered voters in each of at least half of the counties vote in the referendum;
and
(b) the amendment is supported by a simple majority of the citizens voting in the referendum.

(3) An amendment to this Constitution that does not relate to a matter specified in clause (1) shall be enacted either--

(a) by Parliament, in accordance with Article 256; or
(b) by the people and Parliament, in accordance with Article 257.

If this what the katiba says then DEFINITELY UhuRaila have the script already written...it shall PASS in parliament with flying colours. The HUSTLER nation will be forced to mobilize crowds for MAPAMBANO in the streets led by King Hustler...Then HAPPY ENDINGS for Bondo guy..
2012
#23 Posted : Tuesday, October 29, 2019 8:07:48 PM
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Joined: 12/9/2009
Posts: 6,592
Location: Nairobi
Josey wrote:
2012 wrote:
Fyatu wrote:
Quick question...

Will the BBI be presented to Kenyans in the form of referendum questions or will it be discussed in parliament and exposed to a vote on the floor of the house?


That's the thing, sadly, we don't know the content of BBI meaning we can't even tell if it requires a referendum or minor amends by parliament according to Artical 255 of the constitution.

(1) A proposed amendment to this Constitution shall be enacted in accordance with Article 256 or 257, and approved in accordance with clause (2) by a referendum, if the amendment relates to any of the following matters–--

(a) the supremacy of this Constitution;
(b) the territory of Kenya;
(c) the sovereignty of the people;
(d) the national values and principles of governance referred to in Article 10 (2) (a) to (d);
(e) the Bill of Rights;
(f) the term of office of the President;
(g) the independence of the Judiciary and the commissions and independent offices to which Chapter Fifteen applies;
(h) the functions of Parliament;
(i) the objects, principles and structure of devolved government; or
(j) the provisions of this Chapter.

(2) A proposed amendment shall be approved by a referendum under clause (1) if–--

(a) at least twenty per cent of the registered voters in each of at least half of the counties vote in the referendum;
and
(b) the amendment is supported by a simple majority of the citizens voting in the referendum.

(3) An amendment to this Constitution that does not relate to a matter specified in clause (1) shall be enacted either--

(a) by Parliament, in accordance with Article 256; or
(b) by the people and Parliament, in accordance with Article 257.

If this what the katiba says then DEFINITELY UhuRaila have the script already written...it shall PASS in parliament with flying colours. The HUSTLER nation will be forced to mobilize crowds for MAPAMBANO in the streets led by King Hustler...Then HAPPY ENDINGS for Bondo guy..



Hustler is clever. He can't go to the streets, he gets other idiots like Ichunguwa to do his dirty work.

BBI will solve it
:)
rurinjaa
#24 Posted : Wednesday, October 30, 2019 4:19:42 AM
Rank: New-farer

Joined: 7/10/2013
Posts: 29
Well, it looks like there are pple who already know the contents of the report. From the word go lectures started on why we should support BBI and at some point a brigade pushed for money to be set aside in the budget for a referendum and on the opposite side there is a call for rejection of the initiative. Why didn’t we adopt the parliamentary system in 2010, M2 and those in former PM office were as surprised as the rest of us then the stars were aligned and probably someone wanted to inherit the presidential powers as were, now the shoe is on the other side. They gave what they should not have given and the side that was for presidential now have it and it will not be a walk in the park to get the parliamentary system but then so did the chaos of 2008 were fermented and inocubated from 2005 referendum . . . Or may be we are all wrong and BBI is the medicine the doctor prescribed!
FRM2011
#25 Posted : Tuesday, November 26, 2019 9:03:41 AM
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Joined: 11/5/2010
Posts: 2,459
Looking at the 9-point communique from the president when he set up BBI, I predict this report will change the structure of our governance systems radically.

It will be impossible for the likes of sonko to vie in future.



Lolest!
#26 Posted : Tuesday, November 26, 2019 2:05:38 PM
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Watu wa Nyiri kina alma na frm2011,
your relatives here
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mpobiz
#27 Posted : Tuesday, November 26, 2019 3:09:24 PM
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Lolest! wrote:
Watu wa Nyiri kina alma na frm2011,
your relatives here


Ground iko sambamba
Politics is just things to keep the people divided and foolish and put your trust in men and none of them can do nothing for you...
Angelica _ann
#28 Posted : Tuesday, November 26, 2019 3:24:11 PM
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Joined: 12/7/2012
Posts: 11,936
mpobiz wrote:
Lolest! wrote:
Watu wa Nyiri kina alma na frm2011,
your relatives here


Ground iko sambamba


Very strong kabisa!!!
In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
Amores
#29 Posted : Tuesday, November 26, 2019 3:35:00 PM
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Joined: 11/25/2011
Posts: 2,103
Location: Nrb
So ni nini iko kwa hii PPI?
I am happy
Lolest!
#30 Posted : Tuesday, November 26, 2019 6:36:26 PM
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Joined: 3/18/2011
Posts: 12,069
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Who has a link to the report? There seems to be a bonoko one doing rounds
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