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Kaigangio wrote:Njunge wrote:Baratang wrote:Kaigangio wrote:When all the bees enter the hive, you can now place the top cover and leave it there for three days. At the third day, at night, move the hive 4 feet to wards the direction where you want it to be eventually but maintain the same bee hive entrance direction. After another three days move it another four feet. This process should go on until you have reached the desired location within your premises. @Kaigangio, why would you need to move the hive 4 feet after every 3 days? This is weird Thought so too!. what would happen if you moved the hive 4'6" each day?    @Baratang...when a swarm of bees colonize a hive or a new home, in the first three days the bees set their natural GPS to that point location and is not easily deleted from their brain. Take three scenarios: First scenario...If you move the new home say 8 feet from the hive colonization location: 1. the bees that had left the hive for foraging before relocating the hive will not return to the hive. Instead, they will crowd around the original location of the hive and in the evening they will form a spherical ball on a tree branch or eve of a house (pretty close to where the hive had been placed). The second day after spending the night in the cold they will do the same thing. After that they will die out.  2. The bees which will be coming out of the hive in its new location will not go back to it. They will return to where the hive was placed before it was relocated. they will suffer the same consequences as outlined in (1) above. Second scenario...If you move the new home to 4 feet away, the distance is pretty short and the bees will not have any trouble getting back to the hive as the bees' GPS is set at about four to five feet accuracy. The three days interval will not give the bees enough time to familiarise themselves with any new feature near the hive.  Third scenario...if you move the new home to more than 6 kilometres away from the original location, the bees will never find their way back to that location. Instead, they will reset their GPS upon the new location. Here we could help our sister Angelica further if she needs those bees but she does not want to be moving the hive after every three days. @Angelica, after relocating the new home for your bees to more than 6 kilometres (to an apiarist friend) you could let it stay for about four weeks. After that and during the night you could get your hive back and place it to your desired place in your homestead. The bees will never trace the route back to where you had relocated them to immediately after colonising the hive. Phew!!An interesting insect! Any question? Aish asante sana!!! A true elder!!! In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
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tycho wrote:@Kaigangio, I have this question: Can humans and bees share a common language, such that @Angelica can simply tell these bees, to go to the desired tree or place, as long as it's mutually agreed? This world is truly not my home.. Tycho, you want AA to have a dialogue with bees and maybe a handshake? If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
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tycho wrote:@Kaigangio, I have this question: Can humans and bees share a common language, such that @Angelica can simply tell these bees, to go to the desired tree or place, as long as it's mutually agreed? Yes. Humans can communicate with the bees. However, the interaction is not verbal but rather through actions. A good example is the one I have outlined above about moving bees from one point to another. If the bees don't like your idea of relocating them, they will abscond (vacate the hive and leave everything behind) and find another home or hive to colonize. A second basic example is when you want a colony of them bees to colonize your hive, you have to put it in a strategic and physically appealing location. Now, to convince those bee scouts which are out there looking for a new home that yours is better than your neighbour's, you will need to bait it by smeering wax onto top bars or frames or puting a few drops of nice smelling essential oil or putting one or two frames or top bars which are fully drawn with old comb or having all these together. If the scout bees like the hive they will go to the colony and perform their usual dance. A third example is when the colony has grown too large and either the bees have run out of space or the queen has run out of laying cells. The bees will construct the swarm cells (which are meant for rearing new virgin queens) in preparation for swarming. By increasing the amount of space, you are telling the bees not to swarm. If they agree with you, they will destroy the swarm cells and they will not swarm. If they don' t agree with you, the queen will leave the hive with half of the bees at the appropriate time without warning. If you destroy the queen cells yourself after you have provided the extra space, they may decide to stay. If they are annoyed with your actions, they will show you the middle finger and they will abscond. A fourth example is when you want to split a colony into two colonies. ...besides, the presence of a safe alone does not signify that there is money inside...
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Kaigangio wrote:tycho wrote:@Kaigangio, .... ...If the scout bees like the hive they will go to the colony and perform their usual dance.... Eish!! Bees dancing What dance is this now??
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/7/2012 Posts: 11,935
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Kaigangio wrote:tycho wrote:@Kaigangio, I have this question: Can humans and bees share a common language, such that @Angelica can simply tell these bees, to go to the desired tree or place, as long as it's mutually agreed? Yes. Humans can communicate with the bees. However, the interaction is not verbal but rather through actions. A good example is the one I have outlined above about moving bees from one point to another. If the bees don't like your idea of relocating them, they will abscond (vacate the hive and leave everything behind) and find another home or hive to colonize. A second basic example is when you want a colony of them bees to colonize your hive, you have to put it in a strategic and physically appealing location. Now, to convince those bee scouts which are out there looking for a new home that yours is better than your neighbour's, you will need to bait it by smeering wax onto top bars or frames or puting a few drops of nice smelling essential oil or putting one or two frames or top bars which are fully drawn with old comb or having all these together. If the scout bees like the hive they will go to the colony and perform their usual dance. A third example is when the colony has grown too large and either the bees have run out of space or the queen has run out of laying cells. The bees will construct the swarm cells (which are meant for rearing new virgin queens) in preparation for swarming. By increasing the amount of space, you are telling the bees not to swarm. If they agree with you, they will destroy the swarm cells and they will not swarm. If they don' t agree with you, the queen will leave the hive with half of the bees at the appropriate time without warning. If you destroy the queen cells yourself after you have provided the extra space, they may decide to stay. If they are annoyed with your actions, they will show you the middle finger and they will abscond. A fourth example is when you want to split a colony into two colonies. Thanks & waiting for this part ......... In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/11/2012 Posts: 5,222
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Angelica _ann wrote:Kaigangio wrote:tycho wrote:@Kaigangio, I have this question: Can humans and bees share a common language, such that @Angelica can simply tell these bees, to go to the desired tree or place, as long as it's mutually agreed? Yes. Humans can communicate with the bees. However, the interaction is not verbal but rather through actions. A good example is the one I have outlined above about moving bees from one point to another. If the bees don't like your idea of relocating them, they will abscond (vacate the hive and leave everything behind) and find another home or hive to colonize. A second basic example is when you want a colony of them bees to colonize your hive, you have to put it in a strategic and physically appealing location. Now, to convince those bee scouts which are out there looking for a new home that yours is better than your neighbour's, you will need to bait it by smeering wax onto top bars or frames or puting a few drops of nice smelling essential oil or putting one or two frames or top bars which are fully drawn with old comb or having all these together. If the scout bees like the hive they will go to the colony and perform their usual dance. A third example is when the colony has grown too large and either the bees have run out of space or the queen has run out of laying cells. The bees will construct the swarm cells (which are meant for rearing new virgin queens) in preparation for swarming. By increasing the amount of space, you are telling the bees not to swarm. If they agree with you, they will destroy the swarm cells and they will not swarm. If they don' t agree with you, the queen will leave the hive with half of the bees at the appropriate time without warning. If you destroy the queen cells yourself after you have provided the extra space, they may decide to stay. If they are annoyed with your actions, they will show you the middle finger and they will abscond. A fourth example is when you want to split a colony into two colonies. Thanks & waiting for this part ......... She has been sold! The once-upon-a-time 'I don't want these bees', is sponging all available info
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Kaigangio wrote:tycho wrote:@Kaigangio, I have this question: Can humans and bees share a common language, such that @Angelica can simply tell these bees, to go to the desired tree or place, as long as it's mutually agreed? Yes. Humans can communicate with the bees. However, the interaction is not verbal but rather through actions. A good example is the one I have outlined above about moving bees from one point to another. If the bees don't like your idea of relocating them, they will abscond (vacate the hive and leave everything behind) and find another home or hive to colonize. A second basic example is when you want a colony of them bees to colonize your hive, you have to put it in a strategic and physically appealing location. Now, to convince those bee scouts which are out there looking for a new home that yours is better than your neighbour's, you will need to bait it by smeering wax onto top bars or frames or puting a few drops of nice smelling essential oil or putting one or two frames or top bars which are fully drawn with old comb or having all these together. If the scout bees like the hive they will go to the colony and perform their usual dance. A third example is when the colony has grown too large and either the bees have run out of space or the queen has run out of laying cells. The bees will construct the swarm cells (which are meant for rearing new virgin queens) in preparation for swarming. By increasing the amount of space, you are telling the bees not to swarm. If they agree with you, they will destroy the swarm cells and they will not swarm. If they don' t agree with you, the queen will leave the hive with half of the bees at the appropriate time without warning. If you destroy the queen cells yourself after you have provided the extra space, they may decide to stay. If they are annoyed with your actions, they will show you the middle finger and they will abscond. A fourth example is when you want to split a colony into two colonies. How many scouts are sent by a colony, and if more than one scout is sent, do the scouts go to one place? If more than one scout has been sent, how does the colony get to choose the best solution?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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I'm sure the above is possible. But let's hear from @Kaigangio first.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/27/2007 Posts: 2,768
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Baratang wrote:Kaigangio wrote:tycho wrote:@Kaigangio, .... ...If the scout bees like the hive they will go to the colony and perform their usual dance.... Eish!! Bees dancing What dance is this now?? There are two types of bee dances, the waggle and the head butt dances. When the scout bees which are also honeybee foragers discover a potential nesting site (home or hive) these scouts will go back to the other scouts in the colony who had gone to different location in search of a new home. In order to broadcast to other scout bees where the nest is and how suitable it is for the swarm the scout bees will perform a waggle dance. In fact each group of scout bees from different locations will do their waggle dance. The scout bees group dance that receives the largest support carries the day and more scout bees are dispatched to inspect the potential home. If they approve it the decision is made by the swarm to move in there. Howeve, before the decision is made there is a lot of scout bees lobbying. The scouts who are not in support of the potential home but an alternative will dissuade the waggling dancers to stop dancing by doing the head butts. With enough head butts some scout bees may stop waggle dancing showing that they have changed their mind on the potential home. All in all, if the head butt gains majority, the scouts will focus on the alternative potential home. The same waggle dance is done when foraging honey bees discover a location with lots of nectarful flowers. If by any chance some foragers think that those are dangerous flowers, they will head butt to persuade other honeybees in support to change their mind. ...besides, the presence of a safe alone does not signify that there is money inside...
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