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Hon. Kenneth Stanley Njindo Matiba
limanika
#21 Posted : Monday, April 16, 2018 12:19:50 PM
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hardwood wrote:
Was Matiba Kenya's enemy No 1 who derailed the match to Canaan in 1992? When all the revolutionary forces had lined up in FORD ready to remove dictator Moi, Matiba spoilt the party and aborted the imminent victory. All the generals at the time had lined up behind Jaramogi - people like Muite, wamalwa, Orengo, Raila, Imanyara, Kiraitu etc. Then matiba who was very unwell at the time both physically and mentally decided to break away and run on his own, or was pushed to run by a selfish cartel that wanted to ride on his name even though they knew his poor health status. And the rest is history.
check your facts again. The difference betwn jaramogi and matiba was on method of nominating the pork candidate. Jaramogi wanted delegates to do the job while matiba wanted the common man to decide. In the end they couldn't agree and the man who could have united them (muliro) died (some say murdered) in the confusion. That said, it was kibaki who split the Kikuyu vote and denied matiba victory
limanika
#22 Posted : Monday, April 16, 2018 12:21:26 PM
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I expect flags at half mast and 3 days of mourning for this great hero
aemathenge
#23 Posted : Monday, April 16, 2018 1:21:38 PM
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Goodbye Norma Jean Though I never knew you at all You had the grace to hold yourself While those around you crawled They crawled out of the woodwork And they whispered into your brain They set you on the treadmill And they made you change your name And it seems to me you lived your life Like a candle in the wind Never knowing who to cling to When the rain set in And I would have liked to have known you But I was just a kid Your candle burned out long before Your legend ever did Loneliness was tough The toughest role you ever played Hollywood created a superstar And pain was the price you paid Even when you died Oh the press still hounded you All the papers had to say Was that Marilyn was found in the nude And it seems to me you lived your life Like a candle in the wind Never knowing who to cling to When the rain set in And I would have liked to have known you But I was just a kid Your candle burned out long before Your legend ever did Goodbye Norma Jean Though I never knew you at all You had the grace to hold yourself While those around you crawled Goodbye Norma Jean From the young man in the twenty second row Who sees you as something more than sexual More than just our Marilyn Monroe And it seems to me you lived your life Like a candle in the wind Never knowing who to cling to When the rain set in And I would have liked to have known you But I was just a kid Your candle burned out long before Your legend ever did Your candle burned out long before Your legend ever did Songwriters: Elton John / Bernie Taupin Candle in the Wind lyrics © Universal Music Publishing Group
aemathenge
#24 Posted : Monday, April 16, 2018 1:40:38 PM
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Goodbye England's rose May you ever grow in our hearts You were the grace that placed itself Where lives were torn apart You called out to our country And you whispered to those in pain Now you belong to heaven And the stars spell out your name And it seems to me you lived your life Like a candle in the wind Never fading with the sunset When the rain set in And your footsteps will always fall here Along England's greenest hills Your candle's burned out long before Your legend ever will Loveliness we've lost These empty days without your smile This torch we'll always carry For our nation's golden child And even though we try The truth brings us to tears All our words cannot express The joy you brought us through the years And it seems to me you lived your life Like a candle in the wind Never fading with the sunset When the rain set in And your footsteps will always fall here Along England's greenest hills Your candle's burned our long before Your legend ever will Goodbye England's rose May you ever grow in our hearts You were the grace that placed itself Where lives were torn apart Goodbye England's rose From a country lost without your soul Who'll miss the wings of your compassion More than you'll ever know And it seems to me you lived your life Like a candle in the wind Never fading with the sunset When the rain set in And your footsteps will always fall here Along England's greenest hills Your candle's burned out long before Your legend ever will Candle in the Wind '97 Elton John Songwriters: Elton John / Bernie Taupin Candle in the Wind '97 lyrics © Universal Music Publishing Group
wukan
#25 Posted : Monday, April 16, 2018 2:19:21 PM
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limanika wrote:
I expect flags at half mast and 3 days of mourning for this great hero
What for? Matiba and his father denounced the mau mau collaborated with the colonial state enjoying the state patronage while the peasants struggled for independence. It's only after Moi used the same colonial instruments rigging and detention without trial that Matiba saw the light and start agitating for multiparty democracy. The revolt against Moi/Kanu was already simmering and he conveniently got the leadership role bestowed on him. I don't understand how being a fence-sitter in the first liberation then using the same kikuyu peasants in the second liberation makes him a hero. All he did was understand later in life what the struggle was about. All the same may he RIP
aemathenge
#26 Posted : Monday, April 16, 2018 3:12:11 PM
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wukan wrote:
limanika wrote:
I expect flags at half mast and 3 days of mourning for this great hero
All he did was understand later in life what the struggle was about.
... and went on to DO something about it when he did. And true to his kuga na gwika (do or die) traits of doing things, he gave his everything unlike ...... Therein lies @Limanika's expectations for the Flags to fly at half mast. Of course, the Kamwana Ngaament, being a continuation of the MzeroOne Project, will ignore this request. May the good Lord rest Stanley Matiba in eternal peace.
kaka2za
#27 Posted : Monday, April 16, 2018 3:24:21 PM
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A good proportion of the voters were born post-1992 and have no idea who Matiba is.
Truth forever on the scaffold Wrong forever on the throne (James Russell Rowell)
limanika
#28 Posted : Monday, April 16, 2018 3:27:25 PM
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wukan wrote:
limanika wrote:
I expect flags at half mast and 3 days of mourning for this great hero
What for? Matiba and his father denounced the mau mau collaborated with the colonial state enjoying the state patronage while the peasants struggled for independence. It's only after Moi used the same colonial instruments rigging and detention without trial that Matiba saw the light and start agitating for multiparty democracy. The revolt against Moi/Kanu was already simmering and he conveniently got the leadership role bestowed on him. I don't understand how being a fence-sitter in the first liberation then using the same kikuyu peasants in the second liberation makes him a hero. All he did was understand later in life what the struggle was about. All the same may he RIP
Matiba is the father of 2nd liberation. Though jaramogi had been in the trenches for decades, it took matiba's charisma and wealth to force moi to accept. In the process he spent his fortune, lost his health. Of course there were other dynamics that converged at the time e.g. end of cold war, to aid the process, but all the same he is the catalyst we needed. As for collaboration with colonialists b4 independence, opinion is still divided. We needed some to work with mzungu for strategic reasons, provided it was not extreme
kaka2za
#29 Posted : Monday, April 16, 2018 3:42:22 PM
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limanika wrote:
wukan wrote:
limanika wrote:
I expect flags at half mast and 3 days of mourning for this great hero
What for? Matiba and his father denounced the mau mau collaborated with the colonial state enjoying the state patronage while the peasants struggled for independence. It's only after Moi used the same colonial instruments rigging and detention without trial that Matiba saw the light and start agitating for multiparty democracy. The revolt against Moi/Kanu was already simmering and he conveniently got the leadership role bestowed on him. I don't understand how being a fence-sitter in the first liberation then using the same kikuyu peasants in the second liberation makes him a hero. All he did was understand later in life what the struggle was about. All the same may he RIP
Matiba is the father of 2nd liberation. Though jaramogi had been in the trenches for decades, it took matiba's charisma and wealth to force moi to accept. In the process he spent his fortune, lost his health. Of course there were other dynamics that converged at the time e.g. end of cold war, to aid the process, but all the same he is the catalyst we needed. As for collaboration with colonialists b4 independence, opinion is still divided. We needed some to work with mzungu for strategic reasons, provided it was not extreme
No he wasn't. 2nd Liberation was triggered by Rev Dr Murere Njoya!
Truth forever on the scaffold Wrong forever on the throne (James Russell Rowell)
Lolest!
#30 Posted : Monday, April 16, 2018 4:35:11 PM
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I like the disagreements here.. We must question the role of our heroes. Even Winnie Mandela's legacy is oft questioned I have always wondered how it would have been if he had not been rigged out of the 1988 Kanu polls
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