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Hon. Kenneth Stanley Njindo Matiba
hardwood
#41 Posted : Monday, April 16, 2018 10:48:29 PM
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masukuma wrote:
wukan wrote:
limanika wrote:
I expect flags at half mast and 3 days of mourning for this great hero


What for? Matiba and his father denounced the mau mau collaborated with the colonial state enjoying the state patronage while the peasants struggled for independence. It's only after Moi used the same colonial instruments rigging and detention without trial that Matiba saw the light and start agitating for multiparty democracy. The revolt against Moi/Kanu was already simmering and he conveniently got the leadership role bestowed on him. I don't understand how being a fence-sitter in the first liberation then using the same kikuyu peasants in the second liberation makes him a hero. All he did was understand later in life what the struggle was about. All the same may he RIP

What did the Mau Mau really do? Asking for a friend? They are fabled to have given us independence from Mbeberu...How... they killed around 70 mzungus more Wazungus must have died from Malaria! AGAIN... what did they do?

@masukumawiki you are an IDIOT. Go read Kenyan history before exhibiting your ignorance here.
Lolest!
#42 Posted : Tuesday, April 17, 2018 6:34:22 AM
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What for? Matiba and his father denounced the mau mau collaborated with the colonial state enjoying the state patronage while the peasants struggled for independence.

We need to get something clear. Opposition to Mau Mau wasn't opposition to independence! There were people who were against use of violence in the freedom struggle.
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Rahatupu
#43 Posted : Tuesday, April 17, 2018 9:53:48 AM
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Lolest! wrote:
Quote:

What for? Matiba and his father denounced the mau mau collaborated with the colonial state enjoying the state patronage while the peasants struggled for independence.

We need to get something clear. Opposition to Mau Mau wasn't opposition to independence! There were people who were against use of violence in the freedom struggle.



It is worth noting that the pioneer Alliance students were mostly children of prominent colonial chiefs, teachers, and clergy. Exceptions are few though.
hardwood
#44 Posted : Tuesday, April 17, 2018 10:19:23 AM
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Rahatupu wrote:
Lolest! wrote:
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What for? Matiba and his father denounced the mau mau collaborated with the colonial state enjoying the state patronage while the peasants struggled for independence.

We need to get something clear. Opposition to Mau Mau wasn't opposition to independence! There were people who were against use of violence in the freedom struggle.



It is worth noting that the pioneer Alliance students were mostly children of prominent colonial chiefs, teachers, and clergy. Exceptions are few though.


Of course those categories of people were more enlightened, more "westernised", and took their kids to school. And alliance was a pioneer school.
kaka2za
#45 Posted : Tuesday, April 17, 2018 10:33:06 AM
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Lolest! wrote:
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What for? Matiba and his father denounced the mau mau collaborated with the colonial state enjoying the state patronage while the peasants struggled for independence.

We need to get something clear. Opposition to Mau Mau wasn't opposition to independence! There were people who were against use of violence in the freedom struggle.


Mau Mau rebellion was primarily about land. Those who had benefited collaborated with Colonialists.
Chief Njiiri reported lost his cool when he learnt independence was on the way.
Truth forever on the scaffold
Wrong forever on the throne
(James Russell Rowell)
Lolest!
#46 Posted : Tuesday, April 17, 2018 10:47:45 AM
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Anyway, back to Matiba and his legacy. I still find his decision to leave a Permanent Secretary position for a management trainee position bold. This was at a time when almost everyone in govt didn't have to do much scheming to get super deals on land etc

Even today, who leaves senior public service jobs for the taxing private sector?

Then he joined breweries where he had to do all manner of tasks to familiarise with the company. In his book, he talks of how he even scrubbed floors!! He even had to be transferred to Tz to keep him away from the people who knew him. Anyway, he still rose fast to the helm of the company..

Perhaps he wasn't just a lucky guy(to be PS at 32 was some stroke of luck, the whites were leaving) but was a very hardworking guy. He talks of how when he was posted to Education Ministry Hqs he'd work till midnight. When he started his hotel business, he'd work the whole weekend at the coast and travel back to Nairobi in time for Monday work.

We've also heard how serious he was as a Minister. Kaigangio et al, any memories from back then?
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hardwood
#47 Posted : Tuesday, April 17, 2018 10:55:11 AM
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Lolest! wrote:
Quote:

What for? Matiba and his father denounced the mau mau collaborated with the colonial state enjoying the state patronage while the peasants struggled for independence.

We need to get something clear. Opposition to Mau Mau wasn't opposition to independence! There were people who were against use of violence in the freedom struggle.


Very true. In all struggles some elements are more radical and militant than others. But the difference in degree of militancy doesn't mean that all do not have the same objective. KAU and Jomo were fighting politically while mau mau were more militant but objective was the same. Infact the militant wing accelerated the process of independence. Without mau mau we may have gone the Rhodesia or SA way where the settler whites took power after Britain retreated instead of power passing to blacks.
Swenani
#48 Posted : Tuesday, April 17, 2018 11:20:56 AM
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hardwood wrote:
Lolest! wrote:
Quote:

What for? Matiba and his father denounced the mau mau collaborated with the colonial state enjoying the state patronage while the peasants struggled for independence.

We need to get something clear. Opposition to Mau Mau wasn't opposition to independence! There were people who were against use of violence in the freedom struggle.


Very true. In all struggles some elements are more radical and militant than others. But the difference in degree of militancy doesn't mean that all do not have the same objective. KAU and Jomo were fighting politically while mau mau were more militant but objective was the same. Infact the militant wing accelerated the process of independence. Without mau mau we may have gone the Rhodesia or SA way where the settler whites took power after Britain retreated instead of power passing to blacks.

When baba uses or is perceived to use violence we denounce him yet we accept that violence accelerates the change process
If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
Lolest!
#49 Posted : Tuesday, April 17, 2018 11:22:07 AM
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kaka2za wrote:
Lolest! wrote:
Quote:

What for? Matiba and his father denounced the mau mau collaborated with the colonial state enjoying the state patronage while the peasants struggled for independence.

We need to get something clear. Opposition to Mau Mau wasn't opposition to independence! There were people who were against use of violence in the freedom struggle.


Mau Mau rebellion was primarily about land. Those who had benefited collaborated with Colonialists.
Chief Njiiri reported lost his cool when he learnt independence was on the way.

Not really. Africans were really being mistreated.
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Lolest!
#50 Posted : Tuesday, April 17, 2018 11:24:07 AM
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kaka2za
#51 Posted : Tuesday, April 17, 2018 11:34:17 AM
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Lolest! wrote:
kaka2za wrote:
Lolest! wrote:
Quote:

What for? Matiba and his father denounced the mau mau collaborated with the colonial state enjoying the state patronage while the peasants struggled for independence.

We need to get something clear. Opposition to Mau Mau wasn't opposition to independence! There were people who were against use of violence in the freedom struggle.


Mau Mau rebellion was primarily about land. Those who had benefited collaborated with Colonialists.
Chief Njiiri reported lost his cool when he learnt independence was on the way.

Not really. Africans were really being mistreated.


Who mistreated the home guards? Their children were admitted to top schools and they grabbed prime land all over. Chief Njiiri could manage 30 wives while his subjects were wallowing in poverty.
Sadly,history is written mainly by the sons of ngati who managed to go to Alliance,Maseno and Mangu. A few sons of peasants who made it like Ngugi wa Thiongo and Maina Wa Kinyati were incarcerated for pointing out the truth.
Truth forever on the scaffold
Wrong forever on the throne
(James Russell Rowell)
kaka2za
#52 Posted : Tuesday, April 17, 2018 11:39:40 AM
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Swenani wrote:
hardwood wrote:
Lolest! wrote:
Quote:

What for? Matiba and his father denounced the mau mau collaborated with the colonial state enjoying the state patronage while the peasants struggled for independence.

We need to get something clear. Opposition to Mau Mau wasn't opposition to independence! There were people who were against use of violence in the freedom struggle.


Very true. In all struggles some elements are more radical and militant than others. But the difference in degree of militancy doesn't mean that all do not have the same objective. KAU and Jomo were fighting politically while mau mau were more militant but objective was the same. Infact the militant wing accelerated the process of independence. Without mau mau we may have gone the Rhodesia or SA way where the settler whites took power after Britain retreated instead of power passing to blacks.

When baba uses or is perceived to use violence we denounce him yet we accept that violence accelerates the change process


The new constitution was realized mainly because of PEV
Rwanda would still be a shit-hole if genocide had not happened
Violence is the only language that the politerati understand.
Truth forever on the scaffold
Wrong forever on the throne
(James Russell Rowell)
Lolest!
#53 Posted : Tuesday, April 17, 2018 12:00:25 PM
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kaka2za wrote:
Lolest! wrote:
kaka2za wrote:
Lolest! wrote:
Quote:

What for? Matiba and his father denounced the mau mau collaborated with the colonial state enjoying the state patronage while the peasants struggled for independence.

We need to get something clear. Opposition to Mau Mau wasn't opposition to independence! There were people who were against use of violence in the freedom struggle.


Mau Mau rebellion was primarily about land. Those who had benefited collaborated with Colonialists.
Chief Njiiri reported lost his cool when he learnt independence was on the way.

Not really. Africans were really being mistreated.


Who mistreated the home guards? Their children were admitted to top schools and they grabbed prime land all over. Chief Njiiri could manage 30 wives while his subjects were wallowing in poverty.
Sadly,history is written mainly by the sons of ngati who managed to go to Alliance,Maseno and Mangu. A few sons of peasants who made it like Ngugi wa Thiongo and Maina Wa Kinyati were incarcerated for pointing out the truth.

STOP!!

Today, history is being written by us here in wazua & others on fb, twirrra

That's the main source of what people believe.

So you hear them talk about how Jomo Kenyatta was a traitor coz he wasn't Mau Mau. Pathetic thought. If only the oath takers were freedom fighters, what does this mean for the rest of Kenyan communities outside GEMA(and some Maasai) that didn't take part in the oathing and/or the fighting? All other tribes were traitors?

The machifu had educated children. The teachers too, and the clergy(I read that there's a book on the Aworis, offspring of Cannon Awori. They're leaders wherever they went). Quite naturally, the country had to be led by the educated.
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masukuma
#54 Posted : Tuesday, April 17, 2018 12:40:41 PM
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hardwood wrote:
masukuma wrote:
wukan wrote:
limanika wrote:
I expect flags at half mast and 3 days of mourning for this great hero


What for? Matiba and his father denounced the mau mau collaborated with the colonial state enjoying the state patronage while the peasants struggled for independence. It's only after Moi used the same colonial instruments rigging and detention without trial that Matiba saw the light and start agitating for multiparty democracy. The revolt against Moi/Kanu was already simmering and he conveniently got the leadership role bestowed on him. I don't understand how being a fence-sitter in the first liberation then using the same kikuyu peasants in the second liberation makes him a hero. All he did was understand later in life what the struggle was about. All the same may he RIP

What did the Mau Mau really do? Asking for a friend? They are fabled to have given us independence from Mbeberu...How... they killed around 70 mzungus more Wazungus must have died from Malaria! AGAIN... what did they do?

@masukumawiki you are an IDIOT. Go read Kenyan history before exhibiting your ignorance here.

I am so sorry to break your little fragile heart and ego. That a militia that killed 70 white people gave you independence by chasing away an empire that defeated the Germans less than 20 years earlier. The political struggle gave us independence - if it was not for the Mau Mau akina kenyatta wouldn't have gone to prison. Political agitation was everything Mau Mau actually delayed independence! They are indirectly caused independence because Mbeberu acted inhumanly to people as a way to sort this rebellion and news of this went to the UK parliament and the British government started pulling out. Independence ganI hii ambayo Mbeberu anawapeleka lAncaster kuwatengenezea constitution?
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AlphDoti
#55 Posted : Tuesday, April 17, 2018 12:52:18 PM
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Lolest! wrote:
kaka2za wrote:
Lolest! wrote:
kaka2za wrote:
Lolest! wrote:
Quote:

What for? Matiba and his father denounced the mau mau collaborated with the colonial state enjoying the state patronage while the peasants struggled for independence.

We need to get something clear. Opposition to Mau Mau wasn't opposition to independence! There were people who were against use of violence in the freedom struggle.

Mau Mau rebellion was primarily about land. Those who had benefited collaborated with Colonialists.
Chief Njiiri reported lost his cool when he learnt independence was on the way.

Not really. Africans were really being mistreated.

Who mistreated the home guards? Their children were admitted to top schools and they grabbed prime land all over. Chief Njiiri could manage 30 wives while his subjects were wallowing in poverty.
Sadly,history is written mainly by the sons of ngati who managed to go to Alliance,Maseno and Mangu. A few sons of peasants who made it like Ngugi wa Thiongo and Maina Wa Kinyati were incarcerated for pointing out the truth.

STOP!!

Today, history is being written by us here in wazua & others on fb, twirrra

That's the main source of what people believe.

So you hear them talk about how Jomo Kenyatta was a traitor coz he wasn't Mau Mau. Pathetic thought. If only the oath takers were freedom fighters, what does this mean for the rest of Kenyan communities outside GEMA(and some Maasai) that didn't take part in the oathing and/or the fighting? All other tribes were traitors?

The machifu had educated children. The teachers too, and the clergy(I read that there's a book on the Aworis, offspring of Cannon Awori. They're leaders wherever they went). Quite naturally, the country had to be led by the educated.

Actually, other communities actively participated in one way or another... like the Nandi Resistance to British Rule, from 1890-1906.
Rahatupu
#56 Posted : Tuesday, April 17, 2018 1:06:56 PM
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IMHO, I bet the colonialists achieved in Kenya beyond their wildest dreams. Today ours is a hegemonic imperialist state right from economic to political spheres. We have had the JK imperialist era where like the colonial times opposition was unwelcome, starting with the KPU Jaramogi errors all the way to JM and Tom Mboya murders in the political front that was continued by Nyayo with Ouko et al being sent to their graves early because of dissent. Not to mention Matiba and co incarceration.

On the economic front the plunder continues from where Jomo left and where Nyayo followed. In a word had the real freedom fighters of the JM, Kimathi and Kungu Karumba ilk taken over maybe we'd have true liberation at all fronts. But sadly we cannot appreciate the psychology of collaboration against their "house slave/nigger"mentality of when looked at from a point of view of what to do with independence.
Rahatupu
#57 Posted : Tuesday, April 17, 2018 1:22:39 PM
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Actually, other communities actively participated in one way or another... like the Nandi Resistance to British Rule, from 1890-1906.

@Alphdoti, that is not true. Other communities were not subjected to the brutality of the colonial rule as those in the Mountain region. That is a fact. Hence these communities had no option but to resist and fight back the colonial brutality. As early as 1880s Mekatilili wa Menza encountered the British and resisted their presence. Waiyaki wa Hinga did the same and so did Koitalel.

However, unlike in other areas where the British merely ""passed"their settlement in central Kenya made life really unbearable for the locals hence their resentment and raise of Mau Mau as a force to counter the brutal and dehumanizing rule.
hardwood
#58 Posted : Tuesday, April 17, 2018 1:36:23 PM
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kaka2za wrote:
Lolest! wrote:
kaka2za wrote:
Lolest! wrote:
Quote:

What for? Matiba and his father denounced the mau mau collaborated with the colonial state enjoying the state patronage while the peasants struggled for independence.

We need to get something clear. Opposition to Mau Mau wasn't opposition to independence! There were people who were against use of violence in the freedom struggle.


Mau Mau rebellion was primarily about land. Those who had benefited collaborated with Colonialists.
Chief Njiiri reported lost his cool when he learnt independence was on the way.

Not really. Africans were really being mistreated.


Who mistreated the home guards? Their children were admitted to top schools and they grabbed prime land all over. Chief Njiiri could manage 30 wives while his subjects were wallowing in poverty.
Sadly,history is written mainly by the sons of ngati who managed to go to Alliance,Maseno and Mangu. A few sons of peasants who made it like Ngugi wa Thiongo and Maina Wa Kinyati were incarcerated for pointing out the truth.


Since kenya is not just kikuyuland, can you also tell us what happened in luoland, luhyaland, turkanaland, pokotland, somaliland/NE, masailand etc etc.
AlphDoti
#59 Posted : Tuesday, April 17, 2018 2:28:54 PM
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ALphdoti wrote:
Rahatupu wrote:
Actually, other communities actively participated in (the struggle against the colonialists) in one way or another... like the Nandi Resistance to British Rule, from 1890-1906.

@Alphdoti, that is not true. Other communities were not subjected to the brutality of the colonial rule as those in the Mountain region. That is a fact. Hence these communities had no option but to resist and fight back the colonial brutality. As early as 1880s Mekatilili wa Menza encountered the British and resisted their presence. Waiyaki wa Hinga did the same and so did Koitalel.

However, unlike in other areas where the British merely ""passed"their settlement in central Kenya made life really unbearable for the locals hence their resentment and raise of Mau Mau as a force to counter the brutal and dehumanizing rule.

Apologies for the typo. I meant: other communities actively participated in (the struggle against the colonialists)
Much Know
#60 Posted : Tuesday, April 17, 2018 2:35:43 PM
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Before the United States joined the world war II, where Britain was at risk of losing to Germany, President Woodrow Wilson made Wintson Churchhill to swear a secret Mt. Kenya oath administered by a Mt.Kenya elder, largely organised by Jomo Kenyatta, in the Presence of several global elders, that he will grant independence to ALL AFRICAN countries within 15 years from 1941, this is called the ATLANTIC CHARTER, this is the document that guaranteed our independence and not the other things you hear about, research it! It is the good side of America, that saved us, otherwise we would have been cleared aboriginal style, eveolution theory had prepared the ground, people now thought we were really monkeys, up to today, "monkeys argue" about how they got independence, it was granted by God.
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