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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/17/2009 Posts: 1,049
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chemirocha wrote:Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:The french have had a tough year with Islamic related terror, lets give them a little leeway to regain some semblance of control, may seem a tad overbearing but again who wouldn't react the way they are reacting.
In fact Islamic nations act in this exact way in their areas of control. The same way the french are trying to enforce french acceptable attire is the same way Islamic countries force shariah compliant attire in their countries. I don't hear anyone complaining about it though. One of the founding principles of the French Republic is social equality for all. For the government to restrict those freedoms is hypocrisy of the highest order. Extra-ordinary situations call for extraordinary measures. The French have been pushed to the wall. Just as absolute power corrupts leaders, so does absolute fanaticism blind the people from logic
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Rank: Member Joined: 1/30/2016 Posts: 332 Location: Rift Valley
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Nandwa wrote:chemirocha wrote:Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:The french have had a tough year with Islamic related terror, lets give them a little leeway to regain some semblance of control, may seem a tad overbearing but again who wouldn't react the way they are reacting.
In fact Islamic nations act in this exact way in their areas of control. The same way the french are trying to enforce french acceptable attire is the same way Islamic countries force shariah compliant attire in their countries. I don't hear anyone complaining about it though. One of the founding principles of the French Republic is social equality for all. For the government to restrict those freedoms is hypocrisy of the highest order. Extra-ordinary situations call for extraordinary measures. The French have been pushed to the wall. And yet the countries that enforce shariah law use this exact same reasoning for the sake of protecting 'morality'. This law has nothing to do with security or anti-terrorism actions.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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chemirocha wrote:Nandwa wrote:chemirocha wrote:Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:The french have had a tough year with Islamic related terror, lets give them a little leeway to regain some semblance of control, may seem a tad overbearing but again who wouldn't react the way they are reacting.
In fact Islamic nations act in this exact way in their areas of control. The same way the french are trying to enforce french acceptable attire is the same way Islamic countries force shariah compliant attire in their countries. I don't hear anyone complaining about it though. One of the founding principles of the French Republic is social equality for all. For the government to restrict those freedoms is hypocrisy of the highest order. Extra-ordinary situations call for extraordinary measures. The French have been pushed to the wall. And yet the countries that enforce shariah law use this exact same reasoning for the sake of protecting 'morality'. This law has nothing to do with security or anti-terrorism actions. The French, have some of the most oppressive attitudes even to their own women. Remember DSK saving the world via his 'orgies'? And he wasn't alone in this...
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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tycho wrote:AlphDoti wrote:tycho wrote:guru267 wrote:chemirocha wrote:The irony is if you look at photos from the 60's, women in the Arab world were dressed in the western fashion of jeans and mini skirts. That was after the fall of the Ottoman empire where Arab Nationalism took hold and Islamic practice was subdued... Those days are gone and we are in the midst of an Islamic revival.. Even in this Islamic revival, the woman is still a battlefied. There's no change that's significant from the 'Arab Nationalists'. Why? It's still the Men who will dictate how they should dress... what they should aspire to be. @tycho, this is where you're wrong. I hope you know that their fathers didn't tell them to do that, their brothers didn't tell them to do that, their sons didn't tell them to do that. This is NOT something that ONLY Muslim women were told; but Jewish women also, and Christian women also and Muslim women also were doing this. Unfortunately, now modern civilization (man-made) has asked women not to wear that, they could wear bikinis, does not mean that our culture (and God's wisdom, for those who are religious) is wrong and the modernist are right, no! History and science unfortunately have no means behind God. Humanity has always chosen for itself how to live. The Jews, early Christians, Muslims all chose a model of life that dominated the woman and automatically made her a battle ground... This shows you're giving your own opinion or someone else's. If you do not understand something, read about it. Do not rely on media or newspapers or social media to tell you about Islam. Today the information is as near as Google " status of women in Islam".
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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AlphDoti wrote:tycho wrote:AlphDoti wrote:tycho wrote:guru267 wrote:chemirocha wrote:The irony is if you look at photos from the 60's, women in the Arab world were dressed in the western fashion of jeans and mini skirts. That was after the fall of the Ottoman empire where Arab Nationalism took hold and Islamic practice was subdued... Those days are gone and we are in the midst of an Islamic revival.. Even in this Islamic revival, the woman is still a battlefied. There's no change that's significant from the 'Arab Nationalists'. Why? It's still the Men who will dictate how they should dress... what they should aspire to be. @tycho, this is where you're wrong. I hope you know that their fathers didn't tell them to do that, their brothers didn't tell them to do that, their sons didn't tell them to do that. This is NOT something that ONLY Muslim women were told; but Jewish women also, and Christian women also and Muslim women also were doing this. Unfortunately, now modern civilization (man-made) has asked women not to wear that, they could wear bikinis, does not mean that our culture (and God's wisdom, for those who are religious) is wrong and the modernist are right, no! History and science unfortunately have no means behind God. Humanity has always chosen for itself how to live. The Jews, early Christians, Muslims all chose a model of life that dominated the woman and automatically made her a battle ground... This shows you're giving your own opinion or someone else's. If you do not understand something, read about it. Do not rely on media or newspapers or social media to tell you about Islam. Today the information is as near as Google " status of women in Islam". And whose opinion is this? Google's? My proposition still stands. Islam, like Christianity, seeks to dominate the woman.
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Rank: User Joined: 9/6/2013 Posts: 1,446 Location: In a house
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AlphDoti wrote:tycho wrote:guru267 wrote:chemirocha wrote:The irony is if you look at photos from the 60's, women in the Arab world were dressed in the western fashion of jeans and mini skirts. That was after the fall of the Ottoman empire where Arab Nationalism took hold and Islamic practice was subdued... Those days are gone and we are in the midst of an Islamic revival.. Even in this Islamic revival, the woman is still a battlefied. There's no change that's significant from the 'Arab Nationalists'. Why? It's still the Men who will dictate how they should dress... what they should aspire to be. @tycho, this is where you're wrong. I hope you know that their fathers didn't tell them to do that, their brothers didn't tell them to do that, their sons didn't tell them to do that. This is NOT something that ONLY Muslim women were told; but Jewish women also, and Christian women also and Muslim women also were doing this. Unfortunately, now modern civilization (man-made) has asked women not to wear that, they could wear bikinis, does not mean that our culture (and God's wisdom, for those who are religious) is wrong and the modernist are right, no! I disagree! First hand experience.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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tycho wrote:AlphDoti wrote:tycho wrote:AlphDoti wrote:tycho wrote:guru267 wrote:chemirocha wrote:The irony is if you look at photos from the 60's, women in the Arab world were dressed in the western fashion of jeans and mini skirts. That was after the fall of the Ottoman empire where Arab Nationalism took hold and Islamic practice was subdued... Those days are gone and we are in the midst of an Islamic revival.. Even in this Islamic revival, the woman is still a battlefied. There's no change that's significant from the 'Arab Nationalists'. Why? It's still the Men who will dictate how they should dress... what they should aspire to be. @tycho, this is where you're wrong. I hope you know that their fathers didn't tell them to do that, their brothers didn't tell them to do that, their sons didn't tell them to do that. This is NOT something that ONLY Muslim women were told; but Jewish women also, and Christian women also and Muslim women also were doing this. Unfortunately, now modern civilization (man-made) has asked women not to wear that, they could wear bikinis, does not mean that our culture (and God's wisdom, for those who are religious) is wrong and the modernist are right, no! History and science unfortunately have no means behind God. Humanity has always chosen for itself how to live. The Jews, early Christians, Muslims all chose a model of life that dominated the woman and automatically made her a battle ground... This shows you're giving your own opinion or someone else's. If you do not understand something, read about it. Do not rely on media or newspapers or social media to tell you about Islam. Today the information is as near as Google " status of women in Islam". And whose opinion is this? Google's? My proposition still stands. Islam, like Christianity, seeks to dominate the woman. Still your opinion. You have been brainwashed or misinformed. DO NOT rely on the secular world to inform you about status of women in Islam. If you go to the Islam source, you will find that it is the contrary. Look at how prophet treated women. Look at status of women in the Quran. You can look at my response to this issue here.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
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If a bikini isn't allowed in Saudi Arabia why should this burkini be allowed in France?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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AlphDoti wrote:tycho wrote:AlphDoti wrote:tycho wrote:AlphDoti wrote:tycho wrote:guru267 wrote:chemirocha wrote:The irony is if you look at photos from the 60's, women in the Arab world were dressed in the western fashion of jeans and mini skirts. That was after the fall of the Ottoman empire where Arab Nationalism took hold and Islamic practice was subdued... Those days are gone and we are in the midst of an Islamic revival.. Even in this Islamic revival, the woman is still a battlefied. There's no change that's significant from the 'Arab Nationalists'. Why? It's still the Men who will dictate how they should dress... what they should aspire to be. @tycho, this is where you're wrong. I hope you know that their fathers didn't tell them to do that, their brothers didn't tell them to do that, their sons didn't tell them to do that. This is NOT something that ONLY Muslim women were told; but Jewish women also, and Christian women also and Muslim women also were doing this. Unfortunately, now modern civilization (man-made) has asked women not to wear that, they could wear bikinis, does not mean that our culture (and God's wisdom, for those who are religious) is wrong and the modernist are right, no! History and science unfortunately have no means behind God. Humanity has always chosen for itself how to live. The Jews, early Christians, Muslims all chose a model of life that dominated the woman and automatically made her a battle ground... This shows you're giving your own opinion or someone else's. If you do not understand something, read about it. Do not rely on media or newspapers or social media to tell you about Islam. Today the information is as near as Google " status of women in Islam". And whose opinion is this? Google's? My proposition still stands. Islam, like Christianity, seeks to dominate the woman. Still your opinion. You have been brainwashed or misinformed. DO NOT rely on the secular world to inform you about status of women in Islam. If you go to the Islam source, you will find that it is the contrary. Look at how prophet treated women. Look at status of women in the Quran. You can look at my response to this issue here. I've seen your previous responses on this matter. I've even checked on the google links you've hinted upon. And setting your argumenta ad hominem aside; my proposition still stands. The better thing is to ask why it stands... But that will be asking you to start reasoning outside your dogma. Something that may prove too difficult.
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