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USIU land GRABBED - 40 acres!
Rahatupu
#41 Posted : Thursday, July 14, 2016 8:16:38 PM
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@alma,someone said the constitution benefits lawyers more than anyone else on Wazua. Now looking at how long cases take in our courts vis a vis performance of CJ (rtd) then beside computerizing lands registry the courts have to truly transform but again it's against the interests of lawyers to do so. It's a jambazi system through and through.....yet we only see Moi.
murchr
#42 Posted : Thursday, July 14, 2016 8:28:19 PM
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Moi sold this land and forgot, Gideon is the one behind this recent transaction, of all titles Moi has he "lost" this one and applied for a new one in 2012. Who here believes Moi lost his title? Who actually believes the Moi family - with all the money they've had all the years, did not think of either subdividing/selling this land till 2016? 2. Where is the evidence that Moi has been paying land rates to the city of Nairobi?



By the way, this is the new style of stealing. Those who bought land in the 80s, the seller's children are coming back to claim the land and claiming that the sale "was not reported to the Land board" and other excuses. The law is in their favor. Lawyers will tell you openly the best way is to go to the streets and protest.

http://www.nation.co.ke/...36/-/6v7ay0/-/index.html
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Mike Ock
#43 Posted : Thursday, July 14, 2016 8:57:04 PM
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Othelo wrote:
alma1 wrote:
Mike Ock wrote:
yet you will see wazuans advocating for land as a proper investment channel! There is no security in that business if top government officials and those in the ministry are involved in the thieving. If you must go into land selling, give yourself a short timeline and get out before you are conned. Hapa USIU is screwed, unless they appoint someone who's willing to give himself the full time job of fighting this case for the next 10-20 years


I keep on telling people..until that lands registry is computerized, don't call land in Kenya a sure investment.

But that shall never happen...Computerizing that lands office is harder than Raila becoming President and Uhuru his deputy in 2022.

So what did Ngilu allegedly clean?????


Remember she claimed the land mafia pounced on her since she had started cleaning up: http://www.standardmedia...eforms-in-lands-ministry
Kusadikika
#44 Posted : Thursday, July 14, 2016 9:40:06 PM
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This doctor has lived in the US a bit too long. He is a little naïve on how Kenya works. He thinks that because he has a piece of paper called the title then public perception does not matter. I am sure he is the kind of guy who would buy a ranch in the middle of Narok or Kajiado county because a Maasai presented him with a valid title to the land. He will pay the money and get the title and then get the shock of his life when he goes to claim his land.

He is like that Nyoro guy who once ran for governor in Kiambu who was so confident of his superiority against other candidates for governor that he could not imagine anybody being "stupid" enough not to vote for him. He even started advertising for county executive jobs before the elections were done because he was sure he was going to win.


sitaki.kujulikana
#45 Posted : Thursday, July 14, 2016 10:50:42 PM
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Mike Ock wrote:
yet you will see wazuans advocating for land as a proper investment channel! There is no security in that business if top government officials and those in the ministry are involved in the thieving. If you must go into land selling, give yourself a short timeline and get out before you are conned. Hapa USIU is screwed, unless they appoint someone who's willing to give himself the full time job of fighting this case for the next 10-20 years

the wise land investors never hold on to a piece of land for long, its about buying, selling quickly and moving on to the next.
Gathige
#46 Posted : Friday, July 15, 2016 8:53:34 PM
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sitaki.kujulikana wrote:
Mike Ock wrote:
yet you will see wazuans advocating for land as a proper investment channel! There is no security in that business if top government officials and those in the ministry are involved in the thieving. If you must go into land selling, give yourself a short timeline and get out before you are conned. Hapa USIU is screwed, unless they appoint someone who's willing to give himself the full time job of fighting this case for the next 10-20 years

the wise land investors never hold on to a piece of land for long, its about buying, selling quickly and moving on to the next.



101 of land is ---- buy and occupy soonest possible. That is one extara way to proof ownership.
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alma1
#47 Posted : Friday, July 15, 2016 9:28:54 PM
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Gathige wrote:
sitaki.kujulikana wrote:
Mike Ock wrote:
yet you will see wazuans advocating for land as a proper investment channel! There is no security in that business if top government officials and those in the ministry are involved in the thieving. If you must go into land selling, give yourself a short timeline and get out before you are conned. Hapa USIU is screwed, unless they appoint someone who's willing to give himself the full time job of fighting this case for the next 10-20 years

the wise land investors never hold on to a piece of land for long, its about buying, selling quickly and moving on to the next.



101 of land is ---- buy and occupy soonest possible. That is one extara way to proof ownership.


Gathige we call that being a squatter...Terrible laws I tell you.


But the shikens are coming home to roost....

The property market Gathige, uza mara that that....listen and listen good....Become a squater, you'll do good. Have no title and sell, get a maka, you shall be good...And then I'll write a book on the perfect property market

Hapa ni Eveready tu.
Thieves are not good people. Tumeelewana?

murchr
#48 Posted : Sunday, July 17, 2016 5:11:06 PM
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Spin master general at work. Apparently Mo1 wants this matter resolved immediately. This has become a hot potato, the issue has been forwarded to the Director of Survey. Will Kiongera keep fighting, USIU has all the muscle to fight his to the end.


Sunday Nation wrote:
Fresh details by the Chief Lands Registrar F.K. Orioki paint a picture of duplicity by government officials and suggests that only the Director of Survey can give the true position on the matter.

He notes that the land has two title deeds issued to different parties.

One is held by USIU-Africa while the other is in possession of US-based entrepreneur George Kiongera, having bought the land from the former President on June 6 this year.

The land was then part of a bigger tract measuring 294.8 hectares, about 726 acres, and owned by Joreth Limited.

Joreth was associated with powerful politicians of the time, like Njenga Karume, Gerishon Kirima, Duncan Ndegwa and Arthur Magugu.

The vast land was sub-divided into 19 parcels in 1981, and Mr Moi acquired two of them – 12422/18 and 12422/19 – both measuring about 40 acres and was issued with title deeds.

On March 30, 1982, Mr Moi paid Sh600,000 for the two parcels, quite an amount at the time.

Since the land then was marked for agricultural purposes, it was changed from freehold to leasehold allowing the owner to use it for commercial purposes, according to lawyer Ndung’u.

On March 26, 1984, President Moi surrendered the two titles to the government as a requirement for the two plots to be consolidated and a single title deed issued.

The new title deed issued was identified as LR 12597. Records kept by lawyer Ndung’u, USIU-A’s lawyer, show that Mr Moi owned the land until 1988 when he sold it to DPS International Ltd.

However, he revealed that Mr Lewis of DPS International was an Israeli lawyer who was his colleague at Hamilton Harrison &Mathews, the law firm that transacted the alleged transfer of Moi’s property, which the former President says is false.

The sale of the President’s land to DPS, if at all it took place, and considering last month’s transaction, means Mr Moi sold the same piece of land twice.

Documents in possession of lawyer Ndung’u show DPS International Ltd bought 40 acres from Mr Moi, and an additional 20 acres hived off from an adjacent plot owned by former Finance minister Arthur Kinyanjui Magugu and his wife Margaret Wairimu Magugu.

The double transaction, dated November 18, 1988, amounted to Sh10 million.

Eleven years later, the land was in the market again and this time round the buyer was Insurance Company of East Africa (ICEA).

A transfer document seen by the Sunday Nation shows ICEA paid Sh17 million for the land on February 26, 1999.

Three months hardly passed and USIU-A entered into the land market with an interest in the parcel that is causing its administrators sleepless nights two decades later.

For a price of Sh90 million, the university acquired the 60 acres on May 4, 1999, according to the documents.

Fast forward to September 23, 2014 and former President Moi obtained an abstract from Kilimani Police Station in Nairobi after reporting that he lost the original title deed.

He made an application for reconstruction of the lost deed’s file at the land’s registry and also prayed to be issued with a provisional certificate of title.

The former President also swore an affidavit dated October 10, 2014 to support his report. Then Registrar of Lands W.M. Muigai gazetted the loss of Mr Moi’s document on January 16, 2015.

“It is upon this transfer that USIU-A lays claim on the same parcel of land and alleged it had been grabbed from them. Upon perusal of our records we indeed found LR 12597/2 registered to the university. The deed plan was done by surveyor D.M. Wainaina,” the registrar’s report adds.

Dr Kiongera maintains that his lawyers carried out due diligence and the transactions with former President were above board.

He did not meet the former President personally, but says he met his son, Baringo Senator Gideon Moi, and his lawyers.
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thuks
#49 Posted : Sunday, July 17, 2016 5:31:51 PM
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hardwood
#50 Posted : Monday, July 18, 2016 11:00:35 AM
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I thought this maneno of someone selling a piece of land to two different people only happens huko utawala and kihiu mwiri.
Kusadikika
#51 Posted : Monday, July 18, 2016 3:42:22 PM
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Note to self: Never buy land in Kenya. Balaa tupu.
hardwood
#52 Posted : Monday, July 18, 2016 3:54:17 PM
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Gathige
#53 Posted : Monday, July 18, 2016 4:17:49 PM
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hardwood wrote:
I thought this maneno of someone selling a piece of land to two different people only happens huko utawala and kihiu mwiri.



@hardwood, it happens everywhere. Mashamba zimesha and the available ones are now doing the second rounds circulation.

The best sure way to safeguard your Kaplot is to develop. Eviction is very hard unlike vacant land occupation.
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Kusadikika
#54 Posted : Monday, July 18, 2016 7:55:24 PM
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I think the money trail is easier to follow than the paper trail. Moi can say he did not sell the land in 1988 nor did he sign the transfer document but if it can be shown that he received money then he will have to explain what it was for.

This is a classic case of exactly what is wrong with Kenya and why we will remain underdeveloped for a long time:

An empty piece of land is:

Sold for Ksh. 600,000 in 1982
Sold for Ksh. 10,000,000 in 1988
Sold for Ksh. 17,000,000 in February 1999
Sold for Ksh. 90,000,000 in May 1999
Sold for Ksh.500,000,000 in 2016

This is madness. The value of that empty piece of land rose 83,300% in 34 years or an annual compound growth rate of 21.87 % for an empty piece of land!!?? No industry, no development, no work put in it, nothing, just buying it and locking the title in a cabinet and voila, 34 years later it has multiplied 833 times. Something is very wrong.
enyands
#55 Posted : Monday, July 18, 2016 8:05:47 PM
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Kusadikika wrote:
I think the money trail is easier to follow than the paper trail. Moi can say he did not sell the land in 1988 nor did he sign the transfer document but if it can be shown that he received money then he will have to explain what it was for.

This is a classic case of exactly what is wrong with Kenya and why we will remain underdeveloped for a long time:

An empty piece of land is:

Sold for Ksh. 600,000 in 1982
Sold for Ksh. 10,000,000 in 1988
Sold for Ksh. 17,000,000 in February 1999
Sold for Ksh. 90,000,000 in May 1999
Sold for Ksh.500,000,000 in 2016

This is madness. The value of that empty piece of land rose 83,300% in 34 years or an annual compound growth rate of 21.87 % for an empty piece of land!!?? No industry, no development, no work put in it, nothing, just buying it and locking the title in a cabinet and voila, 34 years later it has multiplied 833 times. Something is very wrong.


all land should be owned by the govt and any person willing to develop land should lease it.if you want to sell it, transfer back to govt and the same govt will lease it to someone else. that way there can be a good trail.lakini hapa Kenya ngilu tried to change somethings and alipigwa vita and kicked out.. I don't know how Ethiopia does it but its a success.

a friend from Ghana told me he is buying a plot in accra in a place like langata for 300,000 ksh. what about the same price in Kenya langata?300,000 dollars!!!!!

amidst every poverty encroachment there is a richman flying.somoene's benefitting from all this confusion at lands office
Kusadikika
#56 Posted : Monday, July 18, 2016 8:22:13 PM
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enyands wrote:
Kusadikika wrote:
I think the money trail is easier to follow than the paper trail. Moi can say he did not sell the land in 1988 nor did he sign the transfer document but if it can be shown that he received money then he will have to explain what it was for.

This is a classic case of exactly what is wrong with Kenya and why we will remain underdeveloped for a long time:

An empty piece of land is:

Sold for Ksh. 600,000 in 1982
Sold for Ksh. 10,000,000 in 1988
Sold for Ksh. 17,000,000 in February 1999
Sold for Ksh. 90,000,000 in May 1999
Sold for Ksh.500,000,000 in 2016

This is madness. The value of that empty piece of land rose 83,300% in 34 years or an annual compound growth rate of 21.87 % for an empty piece of land!!?? No industry, no development, no work put in it, nothing, just buying it and locking the title in a cabinet and voila, 34 years later it has multiplied 833 times. Something is very wrong.


all land should be owned by the govt and any person willing to develop land should lease it.if you want to sell it, transfer back to govt and the same govt will lease it to someone else. that way there can be a good trail.lakini hapa Kenya ngilu tried to change somethings and alipigwa vita and kicked out.. I don't know how Ethiopia does it but its a success.

a friend from Ghana told me he is buying a plot in accra in a place like langata for 300,000 ksh. what about the same price in Kenya langata?300,000 dollars!!!!!

amidst every poverty encroachment there is a richman flying.somoene's benefitting from all this confusion at lands office


You are right enyands. This is just crazy. What is the incentive to build any wealth if all you have to do is sit on a title and just sell it. I have put the numbers on a chart and it is a steady rise upto that February 1999 number and then the graph just lifts off.

Is there an economist in the house who can explain this phenomenon. What happened in 1999 that led to this. I know I am using numbers not adjusted to inflation but there should be an explanation for the sudden rise in property values in the 2000s. Or could it have something to do with the 2002 change of government??!
murchr
#57 Posted : Monday, July 18, 2016 8:44:03 PM
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Kusadikika wrote:
enyands wrote:
Kusadikika wrote:
I think the money trail is easier to follow than the paper trail. Moi can say he did not sell the land in 1988 nor did he sign the transfer document but if it can be shown that he received money then he will have to explain what it was for.

This is a classic case of exactly what is wrong with Kenya and why we will remain underdeveloped for a long time:

An empty piece of land is:

Sold for Ksh. 600,000 in 1982
Sold for Ksh. 10,000,000 in 1988
Sold for Ksh. 17,000,000 in February 1999
Sold for Ksh. 90,000,000 in May 1999
Sold for Ksh.500,000,000 in 2016

This is madness. The value of that empty piece of land rose 83,300% in 34 years or an annual compound growth rate of 21.87 % for an empty piece of land!!?? No industry, no development, no work put in it, nothing, just buying it and locking the title in a cabinet and voila, 34 years later it has multiplied 833 times. Something is very wrong.


all land should be owned by the govt and any person willing to develop land should lease it.if you want to sell it, transfer back to govt and the same govt will lease it to someone else. that way there can be a good trail.lakini hapa Kenya ngilu tried to change somethings and alipigwa vita and kicked out.. I don't know how Ethiopia does it but its a success.

a friend from Ghana told me he is buying a plot in accra in a place like langata for 300,000 ksh. what about the same price in Kenya langata?300,000 dollars!!!!!

amidst every poverty encroachment there is a richman flying.somoene's benefitting from all this confusion at lands office


You are right enyands. This is just crazy. What is the incentive to build any wealth if all you have to do is sit on a title and just sell it. I have put the numbers on a chart and it is a steady rise upto that February 1999 number and then the graph just lifts off.

Is there an economist in the house who can explain this phenomenon. What happened in 1999 that led to this. I know I am using numbers not adjusted to inflation but there should be an explanation for the sudden rise in property values in the 2000s. Or could it have something to do with the 2002 change of government??!


You cannot build where there are no roads. The Govt should do their part first so that everything else may fall in place. Roads, utilities all belong to the govt
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Wakanyugi
#58 Posted : Tuesday, July 19, 2016 12:14:55 PM
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Kusadikika wrote:
I think the money trail is easier to follow than the paper trail. Moi can say he did not sell the land in 1988 nor did he sign the transfer document but if it can be shown that he received money then he will have to explain what it was for.

This is a classic case of exactly what is wrong with Kenya and why we will remain underdeveloped for a long time:

An empty piece of land is:

Sold for Ksh. 600,000 in 1982
Sold for Ksh. 10,000,000 in 1988
Sold for Ksh. 17,000,000 in February 1999
Sold for Ksh. 90,000,000 in May 1999
Sold for Ksh.500,000,000 in 2016

This is madness. The value of that empty piece of land rose 83,300% in 34 years or an annual compound growth rate of 21.87 % for an empty piece of land!!?? No industry, no development, no work put in it, nothing, just buying it and locking the title in a cabinet and voila, 34 years later it has multiplied 833 times. Something is very wrong.


This is clear evidence that we have a bubble economy. I remember someone doing a similar analysis of house prices in Kieleshwa, Ruda etc.

There is simply no relationship between price and value and a big chunk of the real estate business, it seems, has been grabbed by money launderers.

Clearly something has to pop. The only question is when.
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Othelo
#59 Posted : Tuesday, July 19, 2016 12:20:18 PM
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Bubble will never burst as long as there is ill gotten money floating around in Billions through tenderprenuers ......... like those NYS figures, you will never feel a pinch buying inflated 'properties' if you are a beneficiary.
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Jaina
#60 Posted : Tuesday, July 19, 2016 2:50:05 PM
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Wakanyugi wrote:
Kusadikika wrote:
I think the money trail is easier to follow than the paper trail. Moi can say he did not sell the land in 1988 nor did he sign the transfer document but if it can be shown that he received money then he will have to explain what it was for.

This is a classic case of exactly what is wrong with Kenya and why we will remain underdeveloped for a long time:

An empty piece of land is:

Sold for Ksh. 600,000 in 1982
Sold for Ksh. 10,000,000 in 1988
Sold for Ksh. 17,000,000 in February 1999
Sold for Ksh. 90,000,000 in May 1999
Sold for Ksh.500,000,000 in 2016

This is madness. The value of that empty piece of land rose 83,300% in 34 years or an annual compound growth rate of 21.87 % for an empty piece of land!!?? No industry, no development, no work put in it, nothing, just buying it and locking the title in a cabinet and voila, 34 years later it has multiplied 833 times. Something is very wrong.


This is clear evidence that we have a bubble economy. I remember someone doing a similar analysis of house prices in Kieleshwa, Ruda etc.

There is simply no relationship between price and value and a big chunk of the real estate business, it seems, has been grabbed by money launderers.

Clearly something has to pop. The only question is when.


Please leave the analysts incremental percentages on land and you will somehow understand the logic of The law of demand and supply.

If there is demand for a product and there is no supply, then the price will definitely increase.

Anyone with 10 Acres + land anywhere along Thika and or Kiambu Roads and is willing to sell can easily get offered 30-50 Million per acre. You can talk of the same about upperhill, Runda etc.

The price of a farmland in Ngoingwa -Thika around 1980 was Ksh 3000 per Acre. Today similar parcel is priced at 5 Million for Quarter acre.

Wait for the bubble to burst alone, coz such things dint happen in cash driven system like ours






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