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Kratos wrote:Swenani wrote:Kratos wrote:hardwood wrote:You are wrong. There is something they can do. And it's only Trump who has the answer. Even us here in Kenya we are closing Daadab and kicking refugees/immigrants out. Kenya for Kenyans. America for Americans. You know things are thick when you have a luo as the american president. But they shall overcome They will get their country back. #VoteTrump. If Trumps answer is to kick out undesirables then things are not so rosy. In this Thread : "This is wrong and must be condemned"you point out that some of your relatives are in the Rift Valley and it seems they are not "natives". Simple question, would it be ok with you if kaleos want to kick out all immigrants and shut their imaginary doors to make kaleo land great again? Because that's immigration in a small scale. Also refugees and immigrants are not really the same thing. One is driven out of their home by brute force while the other makes a conscious decision to move to "greener pastures". By the way who is Kenyan enough to you? They are all the same Immigrants are economic refugees who are driven out of their home by brute economic forces When a war erupts and you and your family have to run away from your country to save your lives you cannot compare yourselves with people who despite relative peace want to change the quality of their lives by immigrating. By the way not all immigrants are middle eastern or african for that matter. An individual heading to the US from the UK as a result of a better paying job and decides to apply for citizenship is an immigrant and you definitely cant refer him as an economic refugee. Kratos,However you want to look at it an American coming to work in Kenya due to lack of jobs in US is an economic refugee,KIash is an economic refugee.They are all running from the tough economic times in their country for a better life someone just like those refugees who are in dadaab If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
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Swenani wrote:Kratos wrote:Swenani wrote:Kratos wrote:hardwood wrote:You are wrong. There is something they can do. And it's only Trump who has the answer. Even us here in Kenya we are closing Daadab and kicking refugees/immigrants out. Kenya for Kenyans. America for Americans. You know things are thick when you have a luo as the american president. But they shall overcome They will get their country back. #VoteTrump. If Trumps answer is to kick out undesirables then things are not so rosy. In this Thread : "This is wrong and must be condemned"you point out that some of your relatives are in the Rift Valley and it seems they are not "natives". Simple question, would it be ok with you if kaleos want to kick out all immigrants and shut their imaginary doors to make kaleo land great again? Because that's immigration in a small scale. Also refugees and immigrants are not really the same thing. One is driven out of their home by brute force while the other makes a conscious decision to move to "greener pastures". By the way who is Kenyan enough to you? They are all the same Immigrants are economic refugees who are driven out of their home by brute economic forces When a war erupts and you and your family have to run away from your country to save your lives you cannot compare yourselves with people who despite relative peace want to change the quality of their lives by immigrating. By the way not all immigrants are middle eastern or african for that matter. An individual heading to the US from the UK as a result of a better paying job and decides to apply for citizenship is an immigrant and you definitely cant refer him as an economic refugee. Kratos,However you want to look at it an American coming to work in Kenya due to lack of jobs in US is an economic refugee,KIash is an economic refugee.They are all running from the tough economic times in their country for a better life someone just like those refugees who are in dadaab According to the UNHCR "Refugees are people fleeing conflict or persecution. They are defined and protected in international law, and must not be expelled or returned to situations where their life and freedom are at risk" lets not make up stuff like the resident prof. So according to your statement Michael Joseph (former Safcom CEO)who immigrated to Kenya and thus an Immigrant is also a refugee and can register with UNHCR? On the same breath wealthy Kenyans who have immigrated to the UK are also economic refugees, really? Immigrants are not defined by one criteria only like you want to put it.
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hardwood wrote:enyands wrote:Tara wrote:murchr wrote:Kusadikika wrote:Whether Britain leaves or not or Donald Trump is elected on not, there is a fundamental shift in sentiment in both America and Britain that will have far reaching consequences in the future for all immigrants and immigration policies. It is now clear that there is a significant portion of Americans and Britons who are deeply dissatisfied with their countries immigration policies and these countries being democracies these sentiments will be expressed in change of policy going forward. Its interesting how when you are in Kenya you think getting a UK or US Visa is too hard but the Americans and Britons seeing the flood of immigrants to their countries think getting visas is too easy. What is happening is a fear of the inevitable. America is no longer as white as many would like it to be...its becoming more of a brown country with an explosion of Indians coming in because of the nature of jobs. Most white americans feel disenfranchised because these immigrants hold the moneyed jobs while traditional jobs go away. The reality will sink in. It's becoming brown because of Mexicans and others from South and Central America. While Chuti's are many they are not being blames for the browning yet. And that's the anger that drives trump supporters.he knows it that they are scared and that's why they are angry. Watching TV I saw one Mexican family having 4 kids running around , one on the supermarket carts and the other growing on her belly.so compare with a white family who most only have one kid or non and they tell you they chose to remain childless. What will happen in 20 yrs if this trend persists ? This is the anger driving trump supporters.Fact is there is nothing they can do about it .it's a train that's moving and nothing can stop it unless they gas chamber all immigrants .This year elections huko America will be interesting You are wrong. There is something they can do. And it's only Trump who has the answer. Even us here in Kenya we are closing Daadab and kicking refugees/immigrants out. Kenya for Kenyans. America for Americans. You know things are thick when you have a luo as the american president. But they shall overcome They will get their country back. #VoteTrump. Hardwood; Do you read the #altright? Just a hunch on my end? 
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Swenani wrote:Kratos wrote:Swenani wrote:Kratos wrote:hardwood wrote:You are wrong. There is something they can do. And it's only Trump who has the answer. Even us here in Kenya we are closing Daadab and kicking refugees/immigrants out. Kenya for Kenyans. America for Americans. You know things are thick when you have a luo as the american president. But they shall overcome They will get their country back. #VoteTrump. If Trumps answer is to kick out undesirables then things are not so rosy. In this Thread : "This is wrong and must be condemned"you point out that some of your relatives are in the Rift Valley and it seems they are not "natives". Simple question, would it be ok with you if kaleos want to kick out all immigrants and shut their imaginary doors to make kaleo land great again? Because that's immigration in a small scale. Also refugees and immigrants are not really the same thing. One is driven out of their home by brute force while the other makes a conscious decision to move to "greener pastures". By the way who is Kenyan enough to you? They are all the same Immigrants are economic refugees who are driven out of their home by brute economic forces When a war erupts and you and your family have to run away from your country to save your lives you cannot compare yourselves with people who despite relative peace want to change the quality of their lives by immigrating. By the way not all immigrants are middle eastern or african for that matter. An individual heading to the US from the UK as a result of a better paying job and decides to apply for citizenship is an immigrant and you definitely cant refer him as an economic refugee. Kratos,However you want to look at it an American coming to work in Kenya due to lack of jobs in US is an economic refugee,KIash is an economic refugee.They are all running from the tough economic times in their country for a better life someone just like those refugees who are in dadaab Hardwood is in kinsasha.someone should kick him out too since he isn't an originally Congolese so that he can feel what Mexicans are feeling
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 4/27/2010 Posts: 951 Location: Nyumbani
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My take , The way things are going, these refugees will have to stay in their war torn countries. I think some people are kind of fed up. So yesterday went UK , ask them the main reason is because of refugees( look at the Polish) More than a month ago, we witnessed the almost takeover of the Austrian gava by the extreme right. It was saved by the Austrian diaspora who voted for the ecology guy. This might be because they do not have the touch on what goes on back home.
Last week in Italy, a new mayor was elected, look at her party. Look at Mateo Renzi.
Tomorrow , elections in Spain, look at the kaguy up in the opinion poll (Iglesias) look at his party.
The US might very probably vote in Trump
Eu residents are becoming fed up dealing with problems brought from elsewhere. Especially now that terrorism has come home.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
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rest.easy wrote:hardwood wrote:enyands wrote:Tara wrote:murchr wrote:Kusadikika wrote:Whether Britain leaves or not or Donald Trump is elected on not, there is a fundamental shift in sentiment in both America and Britain that will have far reaching consequences in the future for all immigrants and immigration policies. It is now clear that there is a significant portion of Americans and Britons who are deeply dissatisfied with their countries immigration policies and these countries being democracies these sentiments will be expressed in change of policy going forward. Its interesting how when you are in Kenya you think getting a UK or US Visa is too hard but the Americans and Britons seeing the flood of immigrants to their countries think getting visas is too easy. What is happening is a fear of the inevitable. America is no longer as white as many would like it to be...its becoming more of a brown country with an explosion of Indians coming in because of the nature of jobs. Most white americans feel disenfranchised because these immigrants hold the moneyed jobs while traditional jobs go away. The reality will sink in. It's becoming brown because of Mexicans and others from South and Central America. While Chuti's are many they are not being blames for the browning yet. And that's the anger that drives trump supporters.he knows it that they are scared and that's why they are angry. Watching TV I saw one Mexican family having 4 kids running around , one on the supermarket carts and the other growing on her belly.so compare with a white family who most only have one kid or non and they tell you they chose to remain childless. What will happen in 20 yrs if this trend persists ? This is the anger driving trump supporters.Fact is there is nothing they can do about it .it's a train that's moving and nothing can stop it unless they gas chamber all immigrants .This year elections huko America will be interesting You are wrong. There is something they can do. And it's only Trump who has the answer. Even us here in Kenya we are closing Daadab and kicking refugees/immigrants out. Kenya for Kenyans. America for Americans. You know things are thick when you have a luo as the american president. But they shall overcome They will get their country back. #VoteTrump. Hardwood; Do you read the #altright? Just a hunch on my end? Yes. And also #stormfront. I am a firm believer that a people should be in charge of their destiny. Migrants (and their offspring) shouldn't be the ones charting their future.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,823 Location: Nairobi
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hardwood wrote:
Yes. And also #stormfront. I am a firm believer that a people should be in charge of their destiny. Migrants (and their offspring) shouldn't be the ones charting their future.
yeah... the thing is that everyone is a migrant or an offspring of a migrant! that's the firm truth. just because you cannot remember it does not mean that you are 'native'. England like the US is a bunch of older immigrants hating newer immigrants. Even f*cking japan as we know is is a bunch of immigrants - the only question is always.. how far back did you immigrate to this place. Granted that right now immigration is on steroids due to technology and information flow but immigration is as old as humans. the future of human beings is that we will in a couple of hundred years look like brazilians - tupende tusipende. All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/21/2010 Posts: 6,675 Location: Nairobi
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kiash wrote:My take , The way things are going, these refugees will have to stay in their war torn countries. I think some people are kind of fed up. So yesterday went UK , ask them the main reason is because of refugees( look at the Polish) More than a month ago, we witnessed the almost takeover of the Austrian gava by the extreme right. It was saved by the Austrian diaspora who voted for the ecology guy. This might be because they do not have the touch on what goes on back home.
Last week in Italy, a new mayor was elected, look at her party. Look at Mateo Renzi.
Tomorrow , elections in Spain, look at the kaguy up in the opinion poll (Iglesias) look at his party.
The US might very probably vote in Trump
Eu residents are becoming fed up dealing with problems brought from elsewhere. Especially now that terrorism has come home. So long as USA, UK, EU and Russia continue to bomb the middle east, they must continue to take in refugees. Every action has a consequence! Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,823 Location: Nairobi
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Wachana na uncle Tom AKA @hardwood. People stuck in time. All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/25/2014 Posts: 2,301 Location: kenya
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masukuma wrote:Wachana na uncle Tom AKA @hardwood. People stuck in time. Masukuma I think what I realised is most people who talk panganga hapa about people staying in their countries have never been immigrant and the far they have ever gone is west Africa . So they don't know what it feels to be an economic, political, war refugee or just immigrant.Tell that to ngugi wa Thiong'o or former CJ MUTUNGA . They have always been well off here in kenya and belong to the correct political class.They just don't understand what going to a foreign country is if not only trying to learn their language like french .
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