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Data Breach - Panama Papers
mawinder
#21 Posted : Tuesday, April 05, 2016 7:06:33 AM
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Some correction on the article. Praful Shah formerly of Trust Bank is not in hiding. A friend works for him and meets him almost daily
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#22 Posted : Tuesday, April 05, 2016 8:15:10 AM
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murchr wrote:
Mike Ock wrote:
This revelation will go nowhere. It's trying to touch the untouchables of the world


Nothing will happen in Kenya but right now 800 individuals from Australia are now under investigation by the tax man..other investigations have began in France etc

In Iceland, the Prime Minister is under pressure to resign..lets see how the cookie crumbles


It should be interesting.
chemirocha
#23 Posted : Tuesday, April 05, 2016 11:28:25 AM
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Personally I am underwhelmed by the investigative work being done by the Kenyan partners involved in these leaks.

The shady dealings of a grandmother and a long forgotten ponzi scheme is not explosive material.
masukuma
#24 Posted : Tuesday, April 05, 2016 11:41:52 AM
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by the way - on whom does the burden of proof lie in the claim that the companies are used for corrupt purposes?

Are you supposed to "come clean" on your own or is GOK supposed to show that these companies are "dirty"? i.e. are you supposed to show your innocence or is GOK supposed to show your guilt - especially if you are a private citizen.
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Taurrus
#25 Posted : Tuesday, April 05, 2016 1:53:38 PM
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The Kenyan client was Mr Ndakwe, an author of several Christian books and whose born-again credentials endeared him to the pyramid scheme victims. Mr Ndakwe also ran another company, Kings Script Publishers Ltd, which not only published his books, but also collected money from the public

Sad Sad Sad
Taurrus
#26 Posted : Tuesday, April 05, 2016 1:56:30 PM
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Clip was the second largest pyramid scheme after Deci — founded by George Odinga Donde and Mary Odinga — which took Sh2.4 billion from its 93,485 members.

Mawinder Habari?smile
Much Know
#27 Posted : Tuesday, April 05, 2016 2:33:57 PM
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masukuma wrote:
by the way - on whom does the burden of proof lie in the claim that the companies are used for corrupt purposes?

Are you supposed to "come clean" on your own or is GOK supposed to show that these companies are "dirty"? i.e. are you supposed to show your innocence or is GOK supposed to show your guilt - especially if you are a private citizen.

As a Kenyan judge, one is subject to the special constitutional requirement to uphold "high moral character", there is no hair splitting on this. If so many Kenyans are saying what she is doing in assisting capital flight for years from Kenya is immoral, if the entire global press thinks these are immoral people, why shouldn't the judiciary drop her immediately for the questions arising from her association with well known thugs? She will wait for courti bandia about her morals the same way she is fighting the constitution on the very clear 70 year age limit. The JSC told us this woman is a liar, did she tell JSC about her side hustle as a capital flight expert!!! Now this! This panama thing is associated with thieves, conman, capital flight experts, it seems everyone in the world including those who released this details were clearly exposing the stinking potholes of the Illuminati.
Ras Kienyeji Man
murchr
#28 Posted : Tuesday, April 05, 2016 2:37:03 PM
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masukuma wrote:
by the way - on whom does the burden of proof lie in the claim that the companies are used for corrupt purposes?

Are you supposed to "come clean" on your own or is GOK supposed to show that these companies are "dirty"? i.e. are you supposed to show your innocence or is GOK supposed to show your guilt - especially if you are a private citizen.


What are you trying to say?

Data is there, its up to the investigatives authorities to find out if money laundering laws were broken. If Ndakwe is the director of this company and the rest are factitious, the courts can order the govt to posses the property and compensate victims - as in the case of pyramid schemes - or penalize the company on taxes evaded

http://www.vertic.org/me...ceeds_Crime_AML_Act.pdf
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masukuma
#29 Posted : Tuesday, April 05, 2016 2:55:23 PM
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are there perfectly legal reasons to have briefcase companies in liechtenstein, panama or jersey islands? if so - then then why put a blanket statement on all names that appear on this website? again who really wants to pay tax unless they have to? if you find a perfectly legal way to skive taxation and the nosey taxman - more power to you!

I am not sure about this jurisdiction but in some countries - this data would not be admissible in court! it was the result of an illegality to begin with and that ruins the case. there are cases where a former police dog sniffs the boot of a car and smells narcotics then gives the narcotics found sign and the police officer who now owns the dog arrests the owner and opens the boot - the case is thrown out because the means of getting evidence is just as important as the court case itself. if evidence is all that mattered then why do we frown upon torture?
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Robinhood
#30 Posted : Tuesday, April 05, 2016 3:13:01 PM
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murchr wrote:
masukuma wrote:
by the way - on whom does the burden of proof lie in the claim that the companies are used for corrupt purposes?

Are you supposed to "come clean" on your own or is GOK supposed to show that these companies are "dirty"? i.e. are you supposed to show your innocence or is GOK supposed to show your guilt - especially if you are a private citizen.


What are you trying to say?

Data is there, its up to the investigatives authorities to find out if money laundering laws were broken. If Ndakwe is the director of this company and the rest are factitious, the courts can order the govt to posses the property and compensate victims - as in the case of pyramid schemes - or penalize the company on taxes evaded

http://www.vertic.org/me...ceeds_Crime_AML_Act.pdf


Can someone please remind me what happened to the money laundering fiasco involving one Okemo and Gichuru? Same will happen to any Kenyann on the list.
Great men are not always wise, neither do the aged understand judgement...
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