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murchr
#21 Posted : Saturday, December 05, 2015 6:17:39 PM
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alma1 wrote:
murchr wrote:
newfarer wrote:
The sad thing is that the more the president talks about it the biggest the figures in question are getting. Did uhuru really want to be the president ama alilazimizwa. Si he is the ultimate appointing authority. Si afute watu


Ala, kwani you forgot we voted in a constitution that cut the powers of the president. It is not the work of the President to fire civil servants - that's the work of Public service commission, for Parliament its the Parliamentary service commission, for judges its the Judicial service commission etc. He has no power of influencing any of these commissions or else he'll be taken to court and his decision overridden. Even when the first bunch of ministers were taken to court, their first argument was UK has no powers Iko shida. When machozi said this constitution is incapacitating he was right.



Now that other excuses cannot be used we come up with the constitution excuse?

Where in the constitution does it say that the President has no power. Please quote nicely. It should start with "The President has no power to......."


These are the Functions of the President

    132. (1) The President shall—
    (a) address the opening of each newly elected Parliament;
    (b) address a special sitting of Parliament once every year and
    may address Parliament at any other time; and
    (c) once every year—
    (i) report, in an address to the nation, on all the measures
    taken and the progress achieved in the realisation of the
    national values, referred to in Article 10;
    (ii) publish in the Gazette the details of the measures and
    progress under sub-paragraph (i); and
    (iii) submit a report for debate to the National Assembly
    on the progress made in fulfilling the international
    obligations of the Republic.
    Functions of the
    President.
    Rev. 2010] Constitution of Kenya 77

    (2) The President shall nominate and, with the approval of the
    National Assembly, appoint, and may dismiss—
    (a) the Cabinet Secretaries, in accordance with Article 152;
    (b) the Attorney-General, in accordance with Article 156;
    (c) the Secretary to the Cabinet in accordance with Article
    154;
    (d) Principal Secretaries in accordance with Article 155;
    (e) high commissioners, ambassadors and diplomatic and
    consular representatives; and
    (f) in accordance with this Constitution, any other State or
    public officer whom this Constitution requires or empowers
    the President to appoint or dismiss.

    (3) The President shall—
    (a) chair Cabinet meetings;
    (b) direct and co-ordinate the functions of ministries and
    government departments; and
    (c) by a decision published in the Gazette, assign responsibility
    for the implementation and administration of any Act
    of Parliament to a Cabinet Secretary, to the extent not
    inconsistent with any Act of Parliament.

    (4) The President may—
    (a) perform any other executive function provided for in this
    Constitution or in national legislation and, except as otherwise
    provided for in this Constitution, may establish an office in
    the public service in accordance with the recommendation
    of the Public Service Commission;
    (b) receive foreign diplomatic and consular representatives;
    (c) confer honours in the name of the people and the
    Republic;
    (d) subject to Article 58, declare a state of emergency; and
    (e) with the approval of Parliament, declare war.
    78 Constitution of Kenya [Rev. 2010

    (5) The President shall ensure that the international obligations
    of the Republic are fulfilled through the actions of the relevant Cabinet
    Secretaries.

    133. (1) On the petition of any person, the President may exercise
    a power of mercy in accordance with the advice of the Advisory
    Committee established under clause

    (2), by—
    (a) granting a free or conditional pardon to a person convicted
    of an offence;
    (b) postponing the carrying out of a punishment, either for a
    specified or indefinite period;
    (c) substituting a less severe form of punishment; or
    (d) remitting all or part of a punishment.
    (2) There shall be an Advisory Committee on the Power of Mercy,
    comprising—
    (a) the Attorney-General;
    (b) the Cabinet Secretary responsible for correctional services;
    and
    (c) at least five other members as prescribed by an Act of
    Parliament, none of whom may be a State officer or in
    public service.

    (3) Parliament shall enact legislation to provide for—
    (a) the tenure of the members of the Advisory Committee;
    (b) the procedure of the Advisory Committee; and
    (c) criteria that shall be applied by the Advisory Committee in
    formulating its advice.

    (4) The Advisory Committee may take into account the views of
    the victims of the offence in respect of which it is considering making
    recommendations to the President.

    166. (1) The President shall appoint—

    (a) the Chief Justice and the Deputy Chief Justice, in accordance
    with the recommendation of the Judicial Service Commission,
    and subject to the approval of the National Assembly; and
    (b) all other judges, in accordance with the recommendation of
    the Judicial Service Commission.

    The removal of a judge may be initiated only by the Judicial
    Service Commission acting on its own motion, or on the petition of any
    person to the Judicial Service Commission.
    (3) A petition by a person to the Judicial Service Commission
    under clause (2) shall be in writing, setting out the alleged facts
    constituting the grounds for the judges removal.
    (4) The Judicial Service Commission shall consider the petition
    and, if it is satisfied that the petition discloses a ground for removal
    under clause (1), send the petition to the President.
    (5) The President shall, within fourteen days after receiving the
    petition, suspend the judge from office and, acting in accordance with
    the recommendation of the Judicial Service Commission—

    126. (1) A sitting of either House may be held at any place within
    Kenya and may commence at any time that the House appoints.
    (2) Whenever a new House is elected, the President, by notice in
    the Gazette, shall appoint the place and date for the first sitting of the new
    House, which shall be not more than thirty days after the election.

    Role of Parliamentary Service Commission

    6) The Commission is responsible for—
    (a) providing services and facilities to ensure the efficient and
    effective functioning of Parliament;

    (b) constituting offices in the parliamentary service, and
    appointing and supervising office holders;
    (c) preparing annual estimates of expenditure of the parliamentary
    service and submitting them to the National Assembly
    for approval, and exercising budgetary control over the
    service;

    (d) undertaking, singly or jointly with other relevant
    organisations, programmes to promote the ideals of
    parliamentary democracy; and
    (e) performing other functions—
    (i) necessary for the well-being of the members and staff of
    Parliament; or
    (ii) prescribed by national legislation

    Role of Public Service Commission

    (2) The Public Service Commission consists of a chairperson, a
    vice chairperson and seven other members appointed by the President
    with the approval of the National Assembly.

    234. (1) The functions and powers of the Commission are as set
    out in this Article.
    (2) The Commission shall—
    (a) subject to this Constitution and legislation––
    (i) establish and abolish offices in the public service; and
    (ii) appoint persons to hold or act in those offices, and to
    confirm appointments;
    (b) exercise disciplinary control over and remove persons
    holding or acting in those offices;

    (c) promote the values and principles mentioned in Articles 10
    and 232 throughout the public service;


The President cannot ursurp those powers. Its up to these commissions to work. But we know some of the members of these commissions are political appointees so they will do what serves their interests
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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alma1
#22 Posted : Saturday, December 05, 2015 6:32:27 PM
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Murchr I asked you a specific question

The section in the constitution that says that the President "has no powers"

Then we can start this debate about how a lame duck president still wants to be president in 2017 even when he knows he has no powers.
Thieves are not good people. Tumeelewana?

murchr
#23 Posted : Saturday, December 05, 2015 6:36:11 PM
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alma1 wrote:
Murchr I asked you a specific question

The section in the constitution that says that the President "has no powers"

Then we can start this debate about how a lame duck president still wants to be president in 2017 even when he knows he has no powers.


Read my last statement
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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limanika
#24 Posted : Saturday, December 05, 2015 6:36:33 PM
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@muchr, we didn't elect a president to fire people left right and center. But to coordinate and run govt so well that there isn't need to fire anyone
murchr
#25 Posted : Saturday, December 05, 2015 6:42:54 PM
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limanika wrote:
@muchr, we didn't elect a president to fire people left right and center. But to coordinate and run govt so well that there isn't need to fire anyone


Isn't the govt running? We are talking about theft in the public service
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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murchr
#26 Posted : Saturday, December 05, 2015 7:08:17 PM
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These are the members of the Parliament committee who traveled across the world to find out how they should be eating in parliament. For those who don't know for every sitting in a committee an MP earns Ksh 5,250 after tax

"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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limanika
#27 Posted : Saturday, December 05, 2015 7:18:15 PM
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murchr wrote:
limanika wrote:
@muchr, we didn't elect a president to fire people left right and center. But to coordinate and run govt so well that there isn't need to fire anyone


Isn't the govt running? We are talking about theft in the public service

if govt is running, its running downhill. Otherwise how does money get out of state coffers to buy mansions in leafy suburbs if govt is not running?
murchr
#28 Posted : Saturday, December 05, 2015 7:22:40 PM
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limanika wrote:
murchr wrote:
limanika wrote:
@muchr, we didn't elect a president to fire people left right and center. But to coordinate and run govt so well that there isn't need to fire anyone


Isn't the govt running? We are talking about theft in the public service

if govt is running, its running downhill. Otherwise how does money get out of state coffers to buy mansions in leafy suburbs if govt is not running?


Now this is what kills meaningful debates. Why not wait for these people to be taken to court if they stole money to build mansions? Who asks RAO where he got the money to buy his mansions in Karen and the 1Bn mansion in Kisumu dont forget the dude was in detention and the wife resigned from TSC? Let the law take its course after all a majority of you voted for it.
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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murchr
#29 Posted : Saturday, December 05, 2015 7:42:45 PM
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Records of more than 65 MPs who borrowed more than Sh2.6 billion from Parliament are missing.

This means the Parliamentary Service Commission may be unable to recover loans.

The Ethics and Anti-corruption Commission says lost records cover mortgages and car loans for lawmakers in current and former Parliaments.

This was the most shocking revelation of financial problems and mismanagement at the PSC — including payment of salaries to retired lawmakers and payment of sitting and mileage allowances to lawmakers who did not attend meetings or travel to constituencies.

- See more at: http://www.the-star.co.k...ing#sthash.ernv4jcL.dpuf
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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limanika
#30 Posted : Saturday, December 05, 2015 7:46:14 PM
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murchr wrote:
limanika wrote:
murchr wrote:
limanika wrote:
@muchr, we didn't elect a president to fire people left right and center. But to coordinate and run govt so well that there isn't need to fire anyone


Isn't the govt running? We are talking about theft in the public service

if govt is running, its running downhill. Otherwise how does money get out of state coffers to buy mansions in leafy suburbs if govt is not running?


Now this is what kills meaningful debates. Why not wait for these people to be taken to court if they stole money to build mansions? Who asks RAO where he got the money to buy his mansions in Karen and the 1Bn mansion in Kisumu dont forget the dude was in detention and the wife resigned from TSC? Let the law take its course after all a majority of you voted for it.

I don’t speak for rao. Opinion still out there whether he would run a worse administration..but he’s not in power so that’s a hypothetic question. On the past, if govt of the day allowed Rao to get away, they carry half the blame. And two wrongs don’t make a right. If the debate is now not meaningful to you don’t bother reply
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