@Hamburglar,refusing to speak your mothertoungue is STUPID....ni ujinga tu!

I'm not hurling insults but I still insist that that's very primitive and stupid way of thinking and looking at ethnic languages(see your stupid highlighted in red above). Who said you can't speak kikuyu, swahili and English. The only issue is when you use your native language in a public cosmopolitan place.

It doesn't make sense to go to an interior remote place in central and start talking to people in English or Swahili, that's not intelligent but stupid and primitive.

When you speak Turkana it doesnt make you a tribal, I have met someone who doesnt speak his native language because he grew up in Nairobi yet voted someone in last elections just because they come from the same tribe.

Not everyone who speaks their native language is a tribal but some people who can't speak their native languages are tribal

Who said I was insulting you? Don't take things so personally!
there is a difference my friend between self celebration (AKA ethnic chauvinism) and being celebrated by others... the thread i started was to celebrate LUOS... it's not self celebration by LUOS. if you notice self celebration always ends up with fights but celebration or positive attribution by others ends up in ethnic harmony! or that has never occurred to you?

Shida is that kikuyus have been bullied and intimidated so much online (and elsewhere) particularly by luos and luhyas that some fear even saying they are kikuyus. But i am not the kind to be intimidated. When the pigs bring their ujinga, i jump into their pigsty and whip sense into them.

Kikuyus should be proud of their culture, language and their sons and daughters. Just like luos, bukusus, kaleos, maasai etc are. It's not ujinga to be proud of your heritage and your people. We have an obligation to bring up our sons and daughters i.e. the next generation of kikuyus to be people who are proud of their culture and heritage....and the accomplishments of their people.

This is nonsense. Have you ever seen an englishman raised even in nyalgunga, mongolia or timbuktu, who doesnt know or speak his mothertongue? But an okuyu born in gachie and raised 10km away in githurai or buruburu is claiming he wants nothing to do with the "primitive" language of his forefathers. #Decolonise your mind.

You have a point however it's a single story. For some of us Kikuyu was never taught to us...it never stuck and so while we hear it fairly well the line will and with us. The not needing to learn it was made stronger by the fact that being a kikuyu is sometimes harmful to your health... something that you don't know becomes a burden and of course that will not make one look for their roots. Some try and relate you learning kikuyu to an Englishman learning English and if English is good enough for the Englishman all kikuyus should learn kikuyu because the englishman is learning English... it's a case of monkey see monkey do! For one it's practical for the other it's learning for the sake of learning. I personally find it pointless but that's just me. The rest can engage in episodes of monkey see monkey do... hapo siko!
ati an obligation....TO WHO? WHO IS MARKING? COMPETITION WITHOUT MEDALS ARE POINTLESS

Great point, its learning for the sake of learning. What's the fascination with ones mother tongue, one can survive with only English but try that with only your mother tongue, you will soon realize it's useless.

tuko na shida! shida mingi sana! because we suffer from a ME-TOO complex! we never really ask ourselves whether it's in our interest to do something - we project/extrapolate and say if it's good for the goose, it's good for the gander! have you ever noticed this is the case? Someone comes from abroad and says - hey! we should do X because people of country Y do it! I agree that ethnicity is a problem but can someone show me a european country that has the rich ethnic makeup we have? We are doing well and statements like 'tribalism should end' over here - while good intentioned will not end the vice but concrete individual steps at a personal level will! it's guaranteed that the 3 masukumalets that are on the planet will not learn the language of their paternal grand parents and the language of the maternal grand parents. hiyo imeishia hapo... for better or for worse! It's admirable to fight to have an identity. but an identity is an object in the driving mirror... only useful when you jumuika with others of the same identity. I also think we should stop with the fixation of traditional dances and ceremonial clothes - why? we know better! let elements of culture die if they are inferior to 'modern' cultural elements - this life does not have reruns... make the most out of it. I have seen some what I would call stupid (in my opinion) moves such as going back to "our traditional religion/belief system". priss! you already know it's false. You know the power of religion is such that it gains on you when you are young. for example...
how many people right now would buy the story of mormons? (doing my best Julia Sweeney rendition )... Imagine a group of 2 boys show up at your door step and tell you... they have a message from God - to you! and when they tell you the story it goes something like this...

of course you wouldn't buy it! A KID WOULD... BUT NOT YOU!! it's almost similar to the ridiculous sound stories of most religions but since they are taught to us when we were young and impressionable - we kinda keep them. So imagine a guy in his old age deciding to follow traditional kikuyu religion? going back to mukurwe wa nyagathanga! like really? 9 daughters? the fascination with the fig tree? anyway kila mtu ni mtu mzima and if you want to waste your life and time learning useless things because you see someone else learning something useful - be my guest!!

I would have loved to have some of these wahengas showing up over here!! the y would be shocked! somehow we tend to think of these wahangas as all wise people kumbe they were fishermen who never travelled 200kms away from their homes. Maybe back then it was useful to have a cultural identity.... right now? it's as useful as fresh breath is to a telephone operator.

Am a realist, i only align myself with things that add value to my life. Whether you want to call it colonial mentality or not, it doesn't matter to me, if it's beneficial then i will do it. Knowing how to read and write English is the reason i am where i am today, and i am rich. Lol. My mother tongue has never added any value in my life, infact i can't even speak it and i don't care.

Mother tongue has no place in a civilized society. It's because of mother tongues that Kenyans are so tribal. This world is a global village, if you can't communicate in English in today's Kenya (not the Kenya of our parents) then get ready to live in poverty, unless you are pastor Nganga and can con your way to riches. It's reality, some languages have absolutely no value in a civilized society. If something doesn't help me then i don't need it in my life. I don't have any self hate, i don't identify myself as a Kikuyu so i can feel proud of my heritage, i identify myself as a Kenyan and i say that to those imbeciles who ask you what tribe you are the first time you meet them. What does it matter what tribe i am from? Isn't just being Kenyan good enough? Do i need to reveal am Kiuk so that they can choose if we can be friends or not? That is a sad way to make friends. If you ask me what tribe i am i will tell you i am Kenyan. Full stop. Stupid tribes only serve to divide us more than they unite us and the sooner we get rid of them the better our children will get along in the future.

Oh, and since you are so proud of your mother tongue, next time you go for a job interview, answer the questions in Kikuyu or Luo and see if you get the job. As much as you want to say that English is a colonial language, the fact is, you can't live and be successful without knowing how to read and write English, whether you like it or not, English is here to stay, but on the flip side, you can be very successful without ever uttering a word of your mother tongue. I am testament to that fact.

So, hate "Colonial" English all you want and call me a colonized mind but facts are facts and you have also used the same English to get to where you are today. Let's keep it real, mother tongues are useless in today's society, they serve absolutely no purpose in a civilized world. If anything, they are detrimental and are a main reason why Kenya and Africa is full of tribalism and genocides.