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How to improve security in Kenya
tycho
#21 Posted : Thursday, January 22, 2015 5:09:59 PM
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Othelo wrote:
tycho wrote:
Othelo wrote:
Know your neighbours well, the so called nyumba kumi!!!!!!!!!!


Our eagerness for providing solutions without seeking to understand the problem is our undoing.

How bwana tycho?


Problems have evidence, evidence, causes, and causes, effects. Solutions are about altering causes. For example, how does my knowing my neighbor prevent him/her from coveting my property?

Is it true that crimes occur because the victims and offenders are strangers?
tycho
#22 Posted : Thursday, January 22, 2015 11:26:48 PM
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Security indeed, is in heaven, and is about heaven. So am talking about something dangerously subtle.

But then 'heaven' is so cliché. We need to understand it in a fresh way. We need to realize that we can only get to heaven through enlightenment.

And enlightenment is a human right. Heaven is a human right.

But what is heaven? Where is heaven? I will tell you. Heaven is the exercise of the 'I'. The 'I' is the union of all 'am'. Heaven is in the 'I'.

Security is knowing what 'I am who I am' means.
Fullykenyan
#23 Posted : Friday, January 23, 2015 12:27:17 AM
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Tyscho, every Ward should have an office of the President, where inhabitants of that Ward register their addresses. Without this address, it should be hard to enroll your kid in school, it should be impossible to attain medical service, get a sim card, it should be impossible to get a Job. If we have this data, it will be even easier to plan for national matters.
tycho
#24 Posted : Friday, January 23, 2015 8:16:33 AM
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Fullykenyan wrote:
Tyscho, every Ward should have an office of the President, where inhabitants of that Ward register their addresses. Without this address, it should be hard to enroll your kid in school, it should be impossible to attain medical service, get a sim card, it should be impossible to get a Job. If we have this data, it will be even easier to plan for national matters.


Why is it that we're in a hurry to offer treatment to a problem we haven't diagnosed?

What if our relationship with government is a major contributor to insecurity-as can be shown to be the case?
Muriel
#25 Posted : Friday, January 23, 2015 8:24:55 AM
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tycho wrote:
Othelo wrote:
tycho wrote:
Othelo wrote:
Know your neighbours well, the so called nyumba kumi!!!!!!!!!!


Our eagerness for providing solutions without seeking to understand the problem is our undoing.

How bwana tycho?


Problems have evidence, evidence, causes, and causes, effects. Solutions are about altering causes. For example, how does my knowing my neighbor prevent him/her from coveting my property?

Is it true that crimes occur because the victims and offenders are strangers?


Aha!

Then it (security) requires a total transformation of the mind. The problem and the cure starts in the mind.

Yes indeed you are talking about something very very subtle.
Muriel
#26 Posted : Friday, January 23, 2015 8:26:49 AM
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Fullykenyan wrote:
Tyscho, every Ward should have an office of the President, where inhabitants of that Ward register their addresses. Without this address, it should be hard to enroll your kid in school, it should be impossible to attain medical service, get a sim card, it should be impossible to get a Job. If we have this data, it will be even easier to plan for national matters.


Sounds like fascism. Feudalism.
Swenani
#27 Posted : Friday, January 23, 2015 9:22:39 AM
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tycho wrote:
Swenani wrote:
Muriel wrote:
tycho wrote:
Muriel wrote:
How to improve security.

I propose:

Become unfindable in the internet. Avoid having a findable (IP) address like Fullykenyan proposes. Government must not know where you are or where you stay.



Before we propose solutions we need to understand the factors at play. Otherwise for example, our solutions may end up being inadequate. I wouldn't believe you if you said that hiding IP addresses and cryptography will make us safer. There are many without IP addresses who are and have been insecure all this time.


Then security is myth. A folklore, even.

Does it exist?



But..but...security is a myth....Show me or prove to me that security exists


I live in a crime prone area, but I have taken steps that have made it harder for some of these crimes to happen to me. Others who've been less cautious haven't survived.

Swenani, do you know what a myth is?


Yes.

What you might think or appear secure to you might be unsecure for me.

Security is a myth!
If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
tycho
#28 Posted : Friday, January 23, 2015 9:43:22 AM
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Swenani wrote:
tycho wrote:
Swenani wrote:
Muriel wrote:
tycho wrote:
Muriel wrote:
How to improve security.

I propose:

Become unfindable in the internet. Avoid having a findable (IP) address like Fullykenyan proposes. Government must not know where you are or where you stay.



Before we propose solutions we need to understand the factors at play. Otherwise for example, our solutions may end up being inadequate. I wouldn't believe you if you said that hiding IP addresses and cryptography will make us safer. There are many without IP addresses who are and have been insecure all this time.


Then security is myth. A folklore, even.

Does it exist?



But..but...security is a myth....Show me or prove to me that security exists


I live in a crime prone area, but I have taken steps that have made it harder for some of these crimes to happen to me. Others who've been less cautious haven't survived.

Swenani, do you know what a myth is?


Yes.

What you might think or appear secure to you might be unsecure for me.

Security is a myth!


A myth isn't a conflict of opinion or finding. A scientific issue may have such a characteristic does it qualify as a 'myth'?

How does one know whether something is secure or not? Are there recognized methods of appraisal?

So far, your thinking is short of diligence swenani.
Swenani
#29 Posted : Friday, January 23, 2015 9:59:56 AM
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tycho wrote:
Swenani wrote:
tycho wrote:
Swenani wrote:
Muriel wrote:
tycho wrote:
Muriel wrote:
How to improve security.

I propose:

Become unfindable in the internet. Avoid having a findable (IP) address like Fullykenyan proposes. Government must not know where you are or where you stay.



Before we propose solutions we need to understand the factors at play. Otherwise for example, our solutions may end up being inadequate. I wouldn't believe you if you said that hiding IP addresses and cryptography will make us safer. There are many without IP addresses who are and have been insecure all this time.


Then security is myth. A folklore, even.

Does it exist?



But..but...security is a myth....Show me or prove to me that security exists


I live in a crime prone area, but I have taken steps that have made it harder for some of these crimes to happen to me. Others who've been less cautious haven't survived.

Swenani, do you know what a myth is?


Yes.

What you might think or appear secure to you might be unsecure for me.

Security is a myth!


A myth isn't a conflict of opinion or finding. A scientific issue may have such a characteristic does it qualify as a 'myth'?

How does one know whether something is secure or not? Are there recognized methods of appraisal?

So far, your thinking is short of diligence swenani.


I didn't say a myth is a conflict of opinion,A myth is a false belief

Look at you beliefs below
Quote:
I live in a crime prone area, but I have taken steps that have made it harder for some of these crimes to happen to me. Others who've been less cautious haven't survived.


What if the guys "who didn't survive" believed that if they took those steps which made them appear "unsecure" to you it will make them secure.Maybe they are secure wherever they are!!!
If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
tycho
#30 Posted : Friday, January 23, 2015 10:08:41 AM
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Joined: 7/1/2011
Posts: 8,804
Location: Nairobi
Swenani wrote:
tycho wrote:
Swenani wrote:
tycho wrote:
Swenani wrote:
Muriel wrote:
tycho wrote:
Muriel wrote:
How to improve security.

I propose:

Become unfindable in the internet. Avoid having a findable (IP) address like Fullykenyan proposes. Government must not know where you are or where you stay.



Before we propose solutions we need to understand the factors at play. Otherwise for example, our solutions may end up being inadequate. I wouldn't believe you if you said that hiding IP addresses and cryptography will make us safer. There are many without IP addresses who are and have been insecure all this time.


Then security is myth. A folklore, even.

Does it exist?



But..but...security is a myth....Show me or prove to me that security exists


I live in a crime prone area, but I have taken steps that have made it harder for some of these crimes to happen to me. Others who've been less cautious haven't survived.

Swenani, do you know what a myth is?


Yes.

What you might think or appear secure to you might be unsecure for me.

Security is a myth!


A myth isn't a conflict of opinion or finding. A scientific issue may have such a characteristic does it qualify as a 'myth'?

How does one know whether something is secure or not? Are there recognized methods of appraisal?

So far, your thinking is short of diligence swenani.


I didn't say a myth is a conflict of opinion,A myth is a false belief

Look at you beliefs below
Quote:
I live in a crime prone area, but I have taken steps that have made it harder for some of these crimes to happen to me. Others who've been less cautious haven't survived.


What if the guys "who didn't survive" believed that if they took those steps which made them appear "unsecure" to you it will make them secure.Maybe they are secure wherever they are!!!


Unfortunately swenani, belief doesn't come out of nowhere. That's why I have asked you whether there are methods of appraisal.

As for 'myth' here's a meaning:

myth
1.
2.
[mith]
noun
a traditional or legendary story, usually
concerning some being or hero or event,
with or without a determinable basis of
fact or a natural explanation, especially
one that is concerned with deities or
demigods and explains some practice,
rite, or phenomenon of nature.
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