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MaichBlack
#21 Posted : Monday, December 08, 2014 9:44:00 AM
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tycho wrote:
Technology and even more, digital technology can't reduce crime and terrorism. In the next few years terrorists may be more tech savvy than governments and even more moneyed, and it will be difficult for such measures as proposed here to suffice.

Perhaps we should also admit that thugs and terrorists are more intelligent than the average law abiding citizen.

@tycho - We are already past the hype stage in Business Analytics. The measures discussed here are not "proposed". They are tried and tested in different parts of the world. Here are some links:

Edmonton Police

Big Data Policing

Crime Fighting with big Data Weapons

Law Enforcement Analytics
Never count on making a good sale. Have the purchase price be so attractive that even a mediocre sale gives good returns.
MaichBlack
#22 Posted : Monday, December 08, 2014 9:46:47 AM
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@tycho - One of my favourite quotes from the second link above is

Quote:
Predictive-analytics software is the latest piece of policing technology working its way into law-enforcement stations around the country, although it's going up against tight budgets, bureaucracy and a culture still clinging to its analog ways.
Never count on making a good sale. Have the purchase price be so attractive that even a mediocre sale gives good returns.
ecstacy
#23 Posted : Monday, December 08, 2014 10:39:56 AM
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MaichBlack wrote:
tycho wrote:
Technology and even more, digital technology can't reduce crime and terrorism. In the next few years terrorists may be more tech savvy than governments and even more moneyed, and it will be difficult for such measures as proposed here to suffice.

Perhaps we should also admit that thugs and terrorists are more intelligent than the average law abiding citizen.

@tycho - We are already past the hype stage in Business Analytics. The measures discussed here are not "proposed". They are tried and tested in different parts of the world. Here are some links:

Edmonton Police

Big Data Policing

Crime Fighting with big Data Weapons

Law Enforcement Analytics


You cannot use BI on an analogue framework. Start there.
MaichBlack
#24 Posted : Monday, December 08, 2014 10:51:04 AM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 7/22/2009
Posts: 7,918
ecstacy wrote:
MaichBlack wrote:
tycho wrote:
Technology and even more, digital technology can't reduce crime and terrorism. In the next few years terrorists may be more tech savvy than governments and even more moneyed, and it will be difficult for such measures as proposed here to suffice.

Perhaps we should also admit that thugs and terrorists are more intelligent than the average law abiding citizen.

@tycho - We are already past the hype stage in Business Analytics. The measures discussed here are not "proposed". They are tried and tested in different parts of the world. Here are some links:

Edmonton Police

Big Data Policing

Crime Fighting with big Data Weapons

Law Enforcement Analytics


You cannot use BI on an analogue framework. Start there.

That is exactly where @alma is coming from. Has anyone on this thread supported running of BI on analogue framework.

You come up up with an idea or way forward first. We do feasibility study - technical, financial, social etc. If we buy the idea, we come up with requirements - technical, financial, human capital etc., a plan - time, what is to be done when etc.

But you can never buy hardware, software etc. with deciding what it is you want to do with them.

The government has to decide if they want to use BI in crime prevention and fighting and then we can move forward from there.
Never count on making a good sale. Have the purchase price be so attractive that even a mediocre sale gives good returns.
ecstacy
#25 Posted : Monday, December 08, 2014 11:13:56 AM
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Joined: 2/26/2008
Posts: 4,449
MaichBlack wrote:
ecstacy wrote:
MaichBlack wrote:
tycho wrote:
Technology and even more, digital technology can't reduce crime and terrorism. In the next few years terrorists may be more tech savvy than governments and even more moneyed, and it will be difficult for such measures as proposed here to suffice.

Perhaps we should also admit that thugs and terrorists are more intelligent than the average law abiding citizen.

@tycho - We are already past the hype stage in Business Analytics. The measures discussed here are not "proposed". They are tried and tested in different parts of the world. Here are some links:

Edmonton Police

Big Data Policing

Crime Fighting with big Data Weapons

Law Enforcement Analytics


You cannot use BI on an analogue framework. Start there.

That is exactly where @alma is coming from. Has anyone on this thread supported running of BI on analogue framework.

You come up up with an idea or way forward first. We do feasibility study - technical, financial, social etc. If we buy the idea, we come up with requirements - technical, financial, human capital etc., a plan - time, what is to be done when etc.

But you can never buy hardware, software etc. with deciding what it is you want to do with them.

The government has to decide if they want to use BI in crime prevention and fighting and then we can move forward from there.


You have assumed it is not done. Between KRA, Credit Reference Bureau & Treasury demands on banks, CID, Registrar of Births and Deaths and your telcos do not worry Laughing out loudly Data import pap! Let us talk after the rollout when "we" are all better informed.
MaichBlack
#26 Posted : Monday, December 08, 2014 11:24:37 AM
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Joined: 7/22/2009
Posts: 7,918
ecstacy wrote:
MaichBlack wrote:
ecstacy wrote:
MaichBlack wrote:
tycho wrote:
Technology and even more, digital technology can't reduce crime and terrorism. In the next few years terrorists may be more tech savvy than governments and even more moneyed, and it will be difficult for such measures as proposed here to suffice.

Perhaps we should also admit that thugs and terrorists are more intelligent than the average law abiding citizen.

@tycho - We are already past the hype stage in Business Analytics. The measures discussed here are not "proposed". They are tried and tested in different parts of the world. Here are some links:

Edmonton Police

Big Data Policing

Crime Fighting with big Data Weapons

Law Enforcement Analytics


You cannot use BI on an analogue framework. Start there.

That is exactly where @alma is coming from. Has anyone on this thread supported running of BI on analogue framework.

You come up up with an idea or way forward first. We do feasibility study - technical, financial, social etc. If we buy the idea, we come up with requirements - technical, financial, human capital etc., a plan - time, what is to be done when etc.

But you can never buy hardware, software etc. with deciding what it is you want to do with them.

The government has to decide if they want to use BI in crime prevention and fighting and then we can move forward from there.


You have assumed it is not done. Between KRA, Credit Reference Bureau & Treasury demands on banks, CID, Registrar of Births and Deaths and your telcos do not worry Laughing out loudly Data import pap! Let us talk after the rollout when "we" are all better informed.

The government is data rich but information poor!

What you are talking about is data. To get actionable information and intelligence you need analytics. Period. We are in the era of Big Data. Too much data is collected about us but it is basically useless because it is too much a human being cannot analyze it to derive insight even when the suspect has already been identified.
Never count on making a good sale. Have the purchase price be so attractive that even a mediocre sale gives good returns.
ecstacy
#27 Posted : Monday, December 08, 2014 11:32:48 AM
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Joined: 2/26/2008
Posts: 4,449
MaichBlack wrote:
ecstacy wrote:
MaichBlack wrote:
ecstacy wrote:
MaichBlack wrote:
tycho wrote:
Technology and even more, digital technology can't reduce crime and terrorism. In the next few years terrorists may be more tech savvy than governments and even more moneyed, and it will be difficult for such measures as proposed here to suffice.

Perhaps we should also admit that thugs and terrorists are more intelligent than the average law abiding citizen.

@tycho - We are already past the hype stage in Business Analytics. The measures discussed here are not "proposed". They are tried and tested in different parts of the world. Here are some links:

Edmonton Police

Big Data Policing

Crime Fighting with big Data Weapons

Law Enforcement Analytics


You cannot use BI on an analogue framework. Start there.

That is exactly where @alma is coming from. Has anyone on this thread supported running of BI on analogue framework.

You come up up with an idea or way forward first. We do feasibility study - technical, financial, social etc. If we buy the idea, we come up with requirements - technical, financial, human capital etc., a plan - time, what is to be done when etc.

But you can never buy hardware, software etc. with deciding what it is you want to do with them.

The government has to decide if they want to use BI in crime prevention and fighting and then we can move forward from there.


You have assumed it is not done. Between KRA, Credit Reference Bureau & Treasury demands on banks, CID, Registrar of Births and Deaths and your telcos do not worry Laughing out loudly Data import pap! Let us talk after the rollout when "we" are all better informed.

The government is data rich but information poor!

What you are talking about is data. To get actionable information and intelligence you need analytics. Period. We are in the era of Big Data. Too much data is collected about us but it is basically useless because it is too much a human being cannot analyze it to derive insight even when the suspect has already been identified.


Dude, you are repeating yourself. I know what BI is and actually done some work on it. You talk of a number which is just a reference to actual system workings. Get to design and implementation and you'll understand analytics is the end product of so many precursor processes which do not yet exist locally hence the intial GoK actions.
tycho
#28 Posted : Monday, December 08, 2014 11:58:21 AM
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Location: Nairobi
@alma, Maich and all; terrorism isn't a technological problem. It is a political problem.

Think of Snowden. Where's he? He's under Russian protection. Who are the Russians? Saints?

Don't forget that the monster- Leviathan protects you through terror. And what else follows? The monster motivates you using fear. The only time terrorism can be subdued or even defeated is when our political foundations preclude fear. When Leviathan is no more.

Interestingly, a world without Leviathan isn't only possible and feasible now, but also includes most of these technologies and strategies you've mentioned. Anyway these technologies don't need our permission to happen. They are happening by themselves.

So without contradicting what you're proposing, let me add that the President should lead in widespread political reform that will seek new solutions to our perennial political problems since independence using technology.

Right now, in my opinion, Kenya is still psychologically in the sixties, and this I believe, has contributed to global terrorism. For example, terrorism has been fed by radicalized youth who are the victims of this stagnation as a State. Social mobility is too restrictive. The country is too rigid. Make it more flexible and everything will change.


MaichBlack
#29 Posted : Monday, December 08, 2014 12:18:06 PM
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Joined: 7/22/2009
Posts: 7,918
ecstacy wrote:
Dude, you are repeating yourself. I know what BI is and actually done some work on it. You talk of a number which is just a reference to actual system workings. Get to design and implementation and you'll understand analytics is the end product of so many precursor processes which do not yet exist locally hence the intial GoK actions.

Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly

You are now being hilarious! I understand Analytics my friend.

What do you mean "the processes do yet exist locally"? Are you serious???

IBM who are at the fore front of Big Data and Business Intelligence have set up their Africa headquarters in Kenya. They have helped set up an innovation center, are sponsoring training and certification on different technologies including Cognos which is used for BI in Kenyan universities, are actively head hunting IT professionals working abroad including Kenyan PhD IT/computer Science holders teaching in American universities to come back home and work in the IBM Nairobi office!!!

For one who claims to have worked with BI, I would have expected you to know this!

Here are some links to bring you up to speed...

IBM Reseach in Kenya

IBM Reversing Brain Drain in Kenya

Kenyan universities working with IBM

IBM Training in JKUAT

IBM Training at Strathmore University

IBMs Research Lab - Catholic University (The first one of its Kind in Africa!!!)

Yet another link

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PeterReborn
#30 Posted : Monday, December 08, 2014 1:44:59 PM
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Joined: 1/3/2014
Posts: 1,063
Is technology the only solution to our security problem?NO
The government should have solutions based on the below parameters:
a)Political
b)Economic
c)Social
d)Technological
e)Environmental
f)Legal.
The solutions should be coordinated to provide longterm solutions to our security.
Some government department have made great strides in automating the processes.For instance clearance of cargo is done in Nairobi to curb corruption.
There is also sharing of information within different departments like HELB,KRA,RBA,CBK and Credit reference bureau.
Unfortunately some of the government departments are still very manual making it difficult to make sense out of the data they have.
We need to start by converting all the hard copy information into soft copy.Of course proper scoping and implementation needs to be done to ensure the systems meets the requirements of these departments.
There should be a central server and all police stations should have computers which will act as terminal servers.
The government should partner with oracle,IBM or microsoft to get good databases to store this information.
They should also employ good IT professionals to manage their systems.
Consistency is better than intensity
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