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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/9/2008 Posts: 5,389
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Is expanding the roads the solution? Road expansion e.g Thika rd seems to lead to more personal vehicles on the road and 'fewer' PSVs, since everyone feels it's now convenient to use their car. That is why the jam that used to start from sfaripark before the road was rebuilt is still there even after the new road. And all these vehicles end up in the cbd...or transit through it worsening an already bad situation. A <<Congestion tax>> is the way to go. 
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 12/8/2009 Posts: 975 Location: Nairobi
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jaggernaut wrote:You can see who the problem is in nrb. Yes, the thousands of personal cars that hinder the smooth movement of 14, 33 and 62 seater mats/buses, bringing the city to a stand still. The private owners should be "forced" to use mats via heavy toll charges and astronomical parking charges to decongest the city.  Talk of treating the symptoms rather than the underlying problem. You will know that you have arrived when money and time are not mutually exclusive "events" in you life!
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 1/7/2010 Posts: 1,279 Location: nbi
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How many us like travelling by mathrees day in day out when we have a dinga at home? The reason I suspect few of us do is because mathrees are driven by uncouths, look uncouth, have uncouth radio volumes and so forth. Undoing Michuki's work is an idiot's idea... The Governor of Nyeri - 2017
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/3/2008 Posts: 4,058 Location: Gwitu
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jaggernaut wrote:washiku wrote:If you drive on a Sunday or on a public holiday, you would get a slight idea on who really causes jam on our roads. You have hit the nail on the head. Personal cars are the problem in Nairobi and not matatus. Most private cars on the road normally have just one person while matatus carry 14 people, and both vehicles occupy the same road space. Thus a 14 seater is 14 times more efficient for city transport than a personal car. A 33 seater is 33 times more efficient etc etc. It is personal cars that should be banned from nbi, not mats. And with thousands of personal cars being imported and added to the roads each month the situation will only get worse as we blame the wrong culprit (mats). Govt should introduce a toll/congestion charge of eg 500 bob for any personal car entering cbd. We should borrow from London http://en.wikipedia.org/...ondon_congestion_charge
https://www.tfl.gov.uk/m...iving/congestion-charge
You forgot to add that City of London has arguably the best public transport system in the world. Am sure Kenyans would quickly ditch their cars if there was a convenient and efficient public transport system . Truth forever on the scaffold
Wrong forever on the throne
(James Russell Rowell)
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/9/2008 Posts: 5,389
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XSK wrote:jaggernaut wrote:You can see who the problem is in nrb. Yes, the thousands of personal cars that hinder the smooth movement of 14, 33 and 62 seater mats/buses, bringing the city to a stand still. The private owners should be "forced" to use mats via heavy toll charges and astronomical parking charges to decongest the city. Talk of treating the symptoms rather than the underlying problem. 90% of nairobians use matatus that occupy 30% of the road space at any one time while 10% use private vehicles and occupy 70% of road space. To free up road space and ease traffic flow we should target the selfish 10% so that we free the roads, not banning matatus.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/3/2008 Posts: 4,058 Location: Gwitu
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jaggernaut wrote:XSK wrote:jaggernaut wrote:You can see who the problem is in nrb. Yes, the thousands of personal cars that hinder the smooth movement of 14, 33 and 62 seater mats/buses, bringing the city to a stand still. The private owners should be "forced" to use mats via heavy toll charges and astronomical parking charges to decongest the city. Talk of treating the symptoms rather than the underlying problem. 90% of nairobians use matatus that occupy 30% of the road space at any one time while 10% use private vehicles and occupy 70% of road space. To free up road space and ease traffic flow we should target the selfish 10% so that we free the roads, not banning matatus. Unfortunately ,the 10% are the not easy to target. Hao ndo wenyenchi. Truth forever on the scaffold
Wrong forever on the throne
(James Russell Rowell)
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Rank: Member Joined: 5/6/2011 Posts: 391 Location: Nairobi
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as kaka2za said , if you want people to leave their cars home, have an efficient transport system , they leave the cars home and the same inefficient mats respond by raising fares to meet the surge in demand. Treat the cause not the symptom. "You can't have everything. Where would you put it?" - Stephen Wright
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/19/2008 Posts: 4,268
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washiku wrote:jaggernaut wrote:You can see who the problem is in nrb. Yes, the thousands of personal cars that hinder the smooth movement 14, 33 and 62 seater mats/buses, bringing the city to a stand still. Their owners should be "forced" to use mats via heavy toll charges and astronomical parking charges. Now most of those cars will be carrying 1 or two people. Suppose they all used a mat, that will be about 14 cars off the road, and another 14, and another 14..... I'd love to use matatu every single day partly because it allows me to catch up with my book or some nice sleep on the way. However, when you are traveling from say Ngong road and you reach Kenyatta and the matatu decides it is not proceeding from there, and it has rained, and you had not worn walking shoes, then it leaves you in a very tricky situation to try and get to town... same happens with Mombasa road. you want to go to upperhill side, then the matatu decides to use enterprise road to muthurwa...... you cant even figure out where to catch a bus or mat from there...
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/9/2009 Posts: 6,592 Location: Nairobi
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[quote=washiku]Ban still in force in Nai and Mombasa. Lifted for rural folks. http://www.nation.co.ke/.../-/mry6scz/-/index.html[/quote] That's ok. They urgently need to get rid of the 14 seater from Nairobi. Sadly this might not solve our problems because the minibuses; City Hoppas, KBS, Double M, and those Star thingies for Uthiru and the others are far worse and more dangerous. I'm sure these drivers are usually high on weed. Is there an alcoblow for weed? Can some young Kenyan invent a weedblow please?
BBI will solve it :)
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Rank: Member Joined: 2/16/2012 Posts: 808
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jaggernaut wrote:XSK wrote:jaggernaut wrote:You can see who the problem is in nrb. Yes, the thousands of personal cars that hinder the smooth movement of 14, 33 and 62 seater mats/buses, bringing the city to a stand still. The private owners should be "forced" to use mats via heavy toll charges and astronomical parking charges to decongest the city. Talk of treating the symptoms rather than the underlying problem. 90% of nairobians use matatus that occupy 30% of the road space at any one time while 10% use private vehicles and occupy 70% of road space. To free up road space and ease traffic flow we should target the selfish 10% so that we free the roads, not banning matatus. Yesir! From: http://www.worldbank.org...transition-growth-kenya
"Kenya’s population has doubled over the last 25 years, to about 40 million people, and rapid population growth is set to continue. According to recent UN projections, Kenya’s population will grow by around 1 million per year – 3,000 people every day – over the next 40 years and will reach about 85 million by 2050. These are projections; the actual numbers depend on government policies and the broader economic environment; and they may turn out differently. But in the past population science has proven to be relatively accurate, as social structures and behaviors tend to change gradually."We are struggling with the current population, how will it then be with the future populating? Gov needs to mind these figures and have a plan in place. to be a step ahead, ready for future populations. Transport, Infrastructure, Health, Education etc... Regarding the GDP, the degree to which one is productive can be proportionate to the level of convenience that graces the person's environment. Don't know if the Gov needs to be reminded that it is the sole body that is primarily responsible for this transformation, other nations have do it, we can too. Press the right buttons. They tried to bury us, they didn't know we were seeds.
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