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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2007 Posts: 8,776 Location: Cameroon
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Like I said before, no one supports "trigger-happy" cops, they are a risk to everybody. But a well coordinated operation to weed out all ARMED THUGS without mercy using Intelligence and Surveillance is what I advocate for. Since we dont have a death sentence any more, and yet these boys are still killing, raping and maiming, they should be shot in the head once IDENTIFIED and caught RED-HANDED. Kindly note, executing not SUSPECTS but confirmed criminals caught in the act-with guns of course. In any case, the Police County Commander Nairobi said they are carefully going through (I guess the Kenyanlist summary) so as not to make any mistakes. I can bet that those boys are under the radar, and cops are waiting for them to make a move, and Boom! TULIA.........UFUNZWE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/20/2007 Posts: 4,432
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Bravado doesn't security make. Otherwise by this time, counting the number of people who have died innocently or otherwise in the hands of rogue cops hasn't decreased the crime rate. You can't support extra judicial killings and expect security. Either the cops are following the law in their duties or they are also criminals but with a uniform. This alleged story of a witness being shot by this "wonderful" cop has no difference from the Tebes story where a witness was shot and killed by thugs. They are all thugs. We allowed them to kill "thugs", now we want to allow them to kill witnesses. What's next, kill your mom for not raising a good law abiding son? Jose: If I make it through this thug life, I'll see you one day. The Lord is the only way to stop the hurt.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,821 Location: Nairobi
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just as I thought.... wazua is full of people with middle class problems. do you know who sorted out gachie? it would be best if we had cops who followed all these ideals we are jotting down here but the fact of the matter is... we don't...we really don't! and the sad truth is we won't have them for quite sometime. that is the truth... this is the wild east... everyone has a gun except the civilian who is to be protected and everyone with a gun wants to 'eat' from the guy without the gun. the people of gachie and ruaka and other places that had the opportunity to be visited by this 'rogue' cop will disagree with you. how many times do you see people protesting FOR A COP... mtu afunge biashara yake aende kwa street for 2 days zushaing about the arrest of a COP.. that in itself should tell you something. Man was not created for the law but the law for man. All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/9/2008 Posts: 5,389
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Rahatupu wrote:jaggernaut wrote:One day you could be carjacked and the thugs sandwich you on the back seat, then the trigger happy cops open fire on the "most wanted criminals" and then it would be too late to tell your story. @jaggernut, so would you rather die in the hands of the carjackers and the police do nothing faced with the gun totting thugs? eh? Bundiki sio kijiko boss At least the thugs would dump you somewhere at 4am after using your car to rob other motorists. But what if, God forbid, the cops opened fire while you are sandwiched hapo nyuma or umewekwa kwa boot? What am saying is that the cops should fire at the vehicle tires to deflate them and ground the car, and then arrest and charge the thugs in a court of law with robbery with violence, and sentence them to hang.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/20/2007 Posts: 4,432
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masukuma if a policeman cannot follow the law that you created, then he should not be a policeman. Atafute kazi ingine. You are arguing as if there are no honest and law abiding cops who actually arrest people who they know will walk tommorow. But they still follow the law. Your argument is very strange indeed. You are saying in one paragraph that Kenyan policemen don't follow the law. and they are all possible killers because they are frustrated. Very strange argument indeed. Jose: If I make it through this thug life, I'll see you one day. The Lord is the only way to stop the hurt.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,821 Location: Nairobi
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alma wrote:masukuma if a policeman cannot follow the law that you created, then he should not be a policeman. Atafute kazi ingine. You are arguing as if there are no honest and law abiding cops who actually arrest people who they know will walk tommorow. But they still follow the law.
Your argument is very strange indeed. You are saying in one paragraph that Kenyan policemen don't follow the law. and they are all possible killers because they are frustrated. Very strange argument indeed. it's not a perfect world.... that is what I am saying.... the kenya constitution instructs us that we have the right "to be free from hunger, and to have adequate food of acceptable quality"... how is that working out for all of us? it's an aspiration... we are working towards that. All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2007 Posts: 8,776 Location: Cameroon
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alma wrote:
Bravado doesn't security make. Otherwise by this time, counting the number of people who have died innocently or otherwise in the hands of rogue cops hasn't decreased the crime rate.
You can't support extra judicial killings and expect security. Either the cops are following the law in their duties or they are also criminals but with a uniform.
This alleged story of a witness being shot by this "wonderful" cop has no difference from the Tebes story where a witness was shot and killed by thugs. They are all thugs.
We allowed them to kill "thugs", now we want to allow them to kill witnesses. What's next, kill your mom for not raising a good law abiding son?
We all wish your ideal world to happen, but it wont, unfortunately. Our wishes actually don't count, coz a cop will in all likelihood shoot dead an armed thug tupende tusipende. The route of Justice failed miserably to deal with mungiki, MRC and other gangs, and would fail again, coz you dont seem to understand why they opt to finish these boys. I dont know where you live, but If I start narrating stories by thug-attack survivors , you will shed tears. There are a few rogue cops in Kenya, and please dont lecture me about bribes as usual. Of all the innocent people I know who have been felled by the bullet, they are ALL victims of armed thugs. Some even had their wives and daughters raped right infront of them before being executed....people I know. Where I come from, I don't know of a single innocent victim of police gunshots, I only read those stories in the papers. I'm not defending cops, but I would rather die than show the slightest compassion to a thug. All in all, may we prevail over this menace! TULIA.........UFUNZWE!
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Rank: Member Joined: 9/30/2013 Posts: 659
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Asking for a cop to follow the law is not idealism, it is the right and professional thing to do in his line of duty. If you stay ready, no need to get ready.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,821 Location: Nairobi
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Pedes wrote:Asking for a cop to follow the law is not idealism, it is the right and professional thing to do in his line of duty. YES... no one disagrees... we are just saying kenya is a worse place now that 'guka alias mkisii' is behind bars. All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/9/2008 Posts: 5,389
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/19/2013 Posts: 2,552
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masukuma wrote:alma wrote:masukuma if a policeman cannot follow the law that you created, then he should not be a policeman. Atafute kazi ingine. You are arguing as if there are no honest and law abiding cops who actually arrest people who they know will walk tommorow. But they still follow the law.
Your argument is very strange indeed. You are saying in one paragraph that Kenyan policemen don't follow the law. and they are all possible killers because they are frustrated. Very strange argument indeed. it's not a perfect world.... that is what I am saying.... the kenya constitution instructs us that we have the right "to be free from hunger, and to have adequate food of acceptable quality"... how is that working out for all of us? it's an aspiration... we are working towards that. Interesting. What is law?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/9/2008 Posts: 5,389
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Even if the cop is reinstated, i don't think they will allow him to continue working in kasarani/githurai. He'll most likely be transferred to some farflung area like mandera to fight alshabab. It would be poor management for the authorities to appear to bow to external (public) pressure in running the police force.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/19/2010 Posts: 3,504 Location: Uganda
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I support katitu and githurai residents. criminal live by gun they should die by gun. our activistic corrupt courts can't be trusted to deal with even straight forward cases. so if a thief is CAUGHT stealing red handed why should he live? a bullet in the head will send a stern warning to those with similar intentions katitu is a hero. punda amecheka
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Rank: Elder Joined: 11/26/2008 Posts: 2,097
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newfarer wrote:I support katitu and githurai residents.
criminal live by gun they should die by gun.
our activistic corrupt courts can't be trusted to deal with even straight forward cases. so if a thief is CAUGHT stealing red handed why should he live?
a bullet in the head will send a stern warning to those with similar intentions
katitu is a hero. The Ordinary mwanainchi has learnt the hard way that Justice belongs to those who can oil the wheels of Justice, those who matter in the society, the ones who can afford the cost of an advocate who can buy any line of defense at the smell of good advocate's fixed fees, and who can bribe his way onto the unjust society while the poor wait, hat in hand, for the humble policeman to record his statement as he awaits at one of the stinking police stations. They had identified "Katito" a cop who could even sit with chokoras in the Githurai Roundabout at night as they tell him who is who in crime in the area. Anyway the sister to the slain criminals apart from starting a blog, hiring a "reputable" lawyer, has not told us how the criminal(s) earned their daily bread/hustle. Were they shop owners? matatu owners? students? drug barons????? Sending money from Norway to the "humble" siblings does not vindicate them of crime. Most criminals when they meet their day often are praised even by neighbors as very reserved and peace loving but these were KNOWN CRIMINALS to the neighborhood!!! Unfortunately at the end of the day "Katito" will be released, case terminated under "section 210 of the CPC, and transfered to a place where the rights activists will get tired of pursuing. The Githurai residents will not get a good cop in Katito again and justice will still be ellusive to the blogger from Norway and also to the hustling wanjiku.  "Never regret, if its good, its wonderful. If its bad, its experience."
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/20/2007 Posts: 4,432
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It's strange when I see people complaining about criminals when they are braking the law at the same time. Tebes, your comments are very passionate so makes me wonder exactly how much you know about these "known" criminals. Katitu will not be released. That's a wish. His goose is cooked as they say. He will appear in court and that's the end of his career. And none of you on wazua will help pay that bail. Ni domo tu trying to get another cop on the wrong side of the law to do your unlawful acts. Their family has a right to hire who they wish to. Unless you are one of those cops who advise people not to hire good lawyers but instead see them at that kalocal at the end of the day. I know its hard for some to understand. But a policeman walking around swinging a gun to shoot anyone he thinks is a criminal, is actually a criminal. That unfortunately is the bitter truth. Burning tires on a highway is actually criminal. It reminds me of those Gor Mahia goons we are always complaining about on this page. It's criminal. If you don't know how to start a blog to fight for your rights, don't complain. Get into the 21st century. For whatever reason, the DPP who knows the full case file, including the alleged criminal activities of the brothers, has decided that the REAL criminal is this cop. I believe he is not a mad man. Tafakari hayo. Jose: If I make it through this thug life, I'll see you one day. The Lord is the only way to stop the hurt.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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alma wrote:It's strange when I see people complaining about criminals when they are braking the law at the same time.
Tebes, your comments are very passionate so makes me wonder exactly how much you know about these "known" criminals.
Katitu will not be released. That's a wish. His goose is cooked as they say. He will appear in court and that's the end of his career. And none of you on wazua will help pay that bail. Ni domo tu trying to get another cop on the wrong side of the law to do your unlawful acts.
Their family has a right to hire who they wish to. Unless you are one of those cops who advise people not to hire good lawyers but instead see them at that kalocal at the end of the day.
I know its hard for some to understand. But a policeman walking around swinging a gun to shoot anyone he thinks is a criminal, is actually a criminal. That unfortunately is the bitter truth.
Burning tires on a highway is actually criminal. It reminds me of those Gor Mahia goons we are always complaining about on this page. It's criminal.
If you don't know how to start a blog to fight for your rights, don't complain. Get into the 21st century.
For whatever reason, the DPP who knows the full case file, including the alleged criminal activities of the brothers, has decided that the REAL criminal is this cop. I believe he is not a mad man.
Tafakari hayo. Hard talk 
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Rank: Elder Joined: 4/22/2010 Posts: 11,522 Location: Nairobi
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Don,t know if this is true just heard Macharia Njeru of IPOA saying that the Japanese police have not killed any suspect in 6 years,UK even with 150,000 burglaries only 2 suspects were killed in the previous year I believe 2013... possunt quia posse videntur
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Rank: Elder Joined: 4/22/2010 Posts: 11,522 Location: Nairobi
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maka wrote:Don,t know if this is true just heard Macharia Njeru of IPOA saying that the Japanese police have not killed any suspect in 6 years,UK even with 150,000 burglaries only 2 suspects were killed in the previous year I believe 2013... Came across this... http://fivethirtyeight.c...atally-shooting-someone/possunt quia posse videntur
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/12/2009 Posts: 925
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maka wrote:Don,t know if this is true just heard Macharia Njeru of IPOA saying that the Japanese police have not killed any suspect in 6 years,UK even with 150,000 burglaries only 2 suspects were killed in the previous year I believe 2013... .....please be so kind(together with Ipoa) and now tell us how many people have been shot dead by thugs in those 2 countries in comparison to Kenya..thanks
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/20/2007 Posts: 4,432
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callaspade wrote:maka wrote:Don,t know if this is true just heard Macharia Njeru of IPOA saying that the Japanese police have not killed any suspect in 6 years,UK even with 150,000 burglaries only 2 suspects were killed in the previous year I believe 2013... .....please be so kind(together with Ipoa) and now tell us how many people have been shot dead by thugs in those 2 countries in comparison to Kenya..thanks Don't you see irony in your question? Jose: If I make it through this thug life, I'll see you one day. The Lord is the only way to stop the hurt.
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